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Message to the Troops: Resist! (Leftie West Pointer calls for mutiny)
AlterNet ^ | 10/11/2002 | David Wiggins

Posted on 10/14/2002 8:19:24 PM PDT by ArcLight

Dear Soldier of the U.S. Military:

Considering the common practice of talking about "supporting the troops" in times of hostilities, I should let you know how I feel.

With all due respect, I want you to know that if you participate in this conflict, you are not serving me, and I don't support you. Speaking for myself, I feel those who participate will be damaging my reputation as an American, and further endangering me and my children by creating hatred that will someday be returned to us -- perhaps someday soon. Your actions will not lead to a safer world, but a more dangerous world of pre-emption and unilateral decisions to commit mayhem. I don't support that.

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Oh yes, and you are serving the President, of course -- the man who avoided combat duty and deserted his National Guard unit. You are serving the man who enriched himself through crony capitalism, shady accounting practices and insider trading while running multiple corporations into bankruptcy. You will be serving the man who lost the popular vote for president, but was handed the presidency by a Supreme Court influenced by his father and through voting irregularities in a state governed by his brother. You will be serving the man who, as President, turned the budget surplus into a deficit and presided over the largest stock market decline since the great depression. You will be serving the man who unilaterally withdrew from the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty, ignored the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and rejected the International Criminal Court and Kyoto Protocol on Global Warming...

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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: iraq; resist; war
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To: semaj
This crap needs to be pulled and re-posted at DU.

I think it has been and believe this Clymer posts there. I think he's one of their heros. Thank God there aren't many like him.

Most of the time, the use of the word "attended" means that one did not graduate. I wonder whether or not he is, in fact, a graduate.

I was also going to mention that.

21 posted on 10/14/2002 9:05:15 PM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult
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To: VaBthang4
He was a class ahead of me at "Hudson High". In fact, I was a plebe in the same company where he was a yearling (2nd year). I don't remember much about him other than that he was pretty bright, and that he was soft on the plebes (not atypical for a yearling). His yearbook graduation photo shows him wearing stars on the collar (top 5 percent of class) and headed for the Medical Corps. (If I had a scanner I'd post it)

I left the Army after 5 years and wasn't in the Gulf War. Another classmate, however, told me about Wiggins' schenanigans with the "hunger strike" etc. I wasn't aware though that it happened in Saudi. I remember hearing that he may have done jail time.

I guess he considered his full ride through the Academy and Medical School as some kind of freebie that carried no obligation.

I assume now that he's long out of the Army. He probably hangs out in leftist circles, which provides him with ego-strokes for his views and gives him a further chance to dishonor the Army and the Academy.

22 posted on 10/14/2002 9:07:27 PM PDT by RodgerD
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To: Biker Scum
3 seconds
23 posted on 10/14/2002 9:07:47 PM PDT by ApesForEvolution
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To: Long Cut
"It's starting again...behold, the '60s return, ushered in by modern fools and traitors."

I predicted this last October.
When I got out in Sept '69 and used to work in downtown Chicago
I saw the daily freak shows with the pathetic anti-war scum.
I used to work across the street from where the Chicago 7 trial was being held.
And some FReepers wonder why I am so pro-military.
I made a vow back then and have done my best for over 30 years to support the military.
I'm not a post 9/11 supporter.
I've been this way for decades.
24 posted on 10/14/2002 9:08:12 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: Long Cut
These are the children of the 60's trash. Their grand parents sold us out to FDR socialism/communism and now their communist, anti-American parents get paid big bucks to institutionalize the youth of America with their self-centeredness. Beware the times and location of America in history if the watermelons aren't dealt with.
25 posted on 10/14/2002 9:12:56 PM PDT by ApesForEvolution
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To: RodgerD
What year are you? What Company?
26 posted on 10/14/2002 9:14:55 PM PDT by DoSomethingAboutIt
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To: ArcLight
I had to email this creep.
27 posted on 10/14/2002 9:16:15 PM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: Caligirl for Bush
"I find this guy appalling."

He ranks right down there with Clinton (doesn't matter which one-take your pick).
I am not sure that USMA has a "pre med" program. It used to be that everyone graduated in the same course of study--Military Engineering or some such.

No matter, this guy needs to be guinea pig for anthrax testing.
28 posted on 10/14/2002 9:17:03 PM PDT by VMI70
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To: DoSomethingAboutIt
'85.
G-3.
29 posted on 10/14/2002 9:19:23 PM PDT by RodgerD
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To: RodgerD
What class were you?
30 posted on 10/14/2002 9:21:28 PM PDT by VMI70
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To: VMI70
Will the DOD take nominations? And how does the inactive reserve thing work in these cases? Leavenworth is a good place for this scum too!
31 posted on 10/14/2002 9:21:36 PM PDT by CARepubGal
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To: ArcLight
I would support the troops disobeying orders.

In this exerpt from the complete article, the pantywaist Wiggins has committed sedition and is an accessory before the fact. As a commissioned officer, his contract does not expire and he is subject to re-activation and the UCMJ. That would be nice to see.

32 posted on 10/14/2002 9:21:46 PM PDT by Navy Patriot
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To: Caligirl for Bush
(and the friendly NCO's with some very effective Wall to Wall counseling could help get this fellow's perspective altered)

FYI: From "WALL-TO-WALL COUNSELING FM 22-102"

Wall-to-Wall counseling has been around longer than the American military.

Many famed units used it as their primary motivational tool, and some used nothing else. It's still prevalent in many hardened military units.

The Spartans

The citizens of the city-state of Sparta, Greece, didn't mess around. Wall-to-wall counseling was the order of the day among the Spartan. The Spartans believed in hard training and hard discipline, and wall-to-wall counseling is about the hardest kind of discipline that there is. The Spartans were feared both in war and at peace, and they worked hard to maintain their image. Babies were quality controlled at the time of their birth, and any not meeting the standards were put on the sides of mountains to die Needless to say, until the day when wall-to-wall counseling completely erased the desire of the citizens of Sparta to perpetuate the race, nobody screwed with these people.

Patton

General George S. Patton, the famed World War II tank corps commander was a great fan of wall-to-wall counseling. It showed in the way he led his troops. He never used a kind word when a foul one would do just as well. One of his most famous wall-to-wall counseling sessions occurred in a field hospital. Patton believed that combat fatigue was cowardice, and promised to shoot anyone exhibiting it. On a trip through a field hospital, he ran across a shell-shocked private. When the private claimed that he could hear the shells flying overhead but not exploding, Patton became furious. He slapped the soldiers in the head, waved a loaded pistol in his face and called him a wuss. Then he ordered him back to the front to fight "so the brave soldiers in this hospital won't be contaminated by this coward." That Patton was not punished as severely as he should have been for this deed shows that wall-to-wall counseling has a place in the US Army.

The South Korean Army

The Army of the Republic of Korea uses wall-to-wall counseling in its daily operation. It is sanctioned and approved by the Ministry of Defense. South Koreans feel that the harsher peacetime is, the less the soldier will notice the hardships of combat with North Korea Wall-to-Wall counseling rises to its zenith with the ROK discipline board. This group wall-to-wall counseling session is convened for offenses that would result in punishment by court-martial in the US Army. The soldier walks into the discipline board. Is wall-to-wall counseled, and is carried out of the board, either on a stretcher or on ice. While US Army waIl-to-wall counseling is not likely to result in serious death to the soldier, the Korean discipline board is a model to be emulated by all US Army units.

When should you wall-to-wall counsel?

You should wall-to-wall counsel a soldier when he needs it And all soldiers occasionally need wall-to-wall counseling.

Determining when this most severe of leadership techniques is warranted requires the leader to intimately know his soldiers and be aware of when a soldier is far enough gone that a swat in the head is the only thing that will adjust his behavior.

33 posted on 10/14/2002 9:30:01 PM PDT by Gamecock
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To: VMI70
I don't know about now, but 17 years ago there would typically be a handful of guys from each class who would go into Medical School. It was obviously quite selective.

With a 5-year service obligation for WP, plus another 7 or 8 for medical school, Wiggins' "conscience" kicked in very conveniently 6 years after he graduated from WP in 1984. At that point, he was probably out of med school and into or finished with an internship. Since serving the 12 or so years on his service obligation wasn't to his liking, he took his chances instead on the Saudi street intersection. I think he should have gone the Corporal Klinger route, then his new America-hating pals would really have welcomed him.

34 posted on 10/14/2002 9:32:56 PM PDT by RodgerD
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To: AntiJen
Thank you Jen so much for pinging me to this.
35 posted on 10/14/2002 9:46:25 PM PDT by Snow Bunny
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To: Gamecock
I would point out that the Russian Army currently (and historically) specializes in wall to wall counseling.

Beatings are for slaves - free men deserve to be led.

Beating a non-motivated individual incurs a long term cost for a short term gain, and it has been my observation that the transaction is no bargain to the US Army, to speak of just one service.

36 posted on 10/14/2002 9:51:15 PM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Gamecock
Thanks for the info. Now what can be done with guys like Dr Traitor?
37 posted on 10/14/2002 9:52:55 PM PDT by CARepubGal
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To: AntiJen
He just got Freeped big time from me.
38 posted on 10/14/2002 9:53:07 PM PDT by Indie
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To: Caligirl for Bush

39 posted on 10/14/2002 9:55:30 PM PDT by ALS
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To: ArcLight


40 posted on 10/14/2002 9:55:59 PM PDT by Cindy
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