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Posted on 10/21/2002 9:04:51 AM PDT by jern
BREAKING: Archaeologists Report 1st Direct Evidence of Jesus
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Flavius could even be considered a hostile source.
Wait a minute! So you would be "happy" if ksen or other member of FR prayed for you but you despise the prayers of Mother of God?
She found favour in eyes of God and all generation of faithful praise Her (Lk:1:48) . Better you reconsider your disrespectful attitude if you want to be counted with those generations and ask Her for the intercession. Prayers of different persons are not equal as the friends of Job learned:
Therefore take unto you now seven bullocks and seven rams, and go to my servant Job, and offer up for yourselves a burnt offering; and my servant Job shall pray for you: for him will I accept: lest I deal with you after your folly, in that ye have not spoken of me the thing which is right, like my servant Job.
No, She is not dead. God of Abraham, Isaak and Jacob is God of the leaving and not of the dead. If the beggar could be carried after the death to be at the Abraham's bossom (Luke 16:22) and if the criminal who died on the cross was welcome in the heaven, you think that Blessed Mother of Jesus would be denied at least the same?
LOL. I agree with William Terrell. Don't waste your time. A prayer to the Lord will be just fine. Remember, many are not Catholic, and don't believe in the praying to mary thing.
Who offends the Mother, offends the Son.
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Could you give me scripture for that? Can't find it in the Bible. Thanks.
Why?
"When you pray, pray like this......Our FATHER , who art in Heaven , Holy be THY name.......
"No one gets to the father but THROUGH ME."
I'm sorry. I can't find mary prayers in the Bible either, nor the order to do so.
*sigh*
There are many obvious things which do not need to be in the Bible. I wonder, would you accept if people insulted YOUR mother?
Meaning the Aramaic texts? Or the doctored Greek?
Why?
First of all I'd like to make one thing quite clear:
I never explain anything.
LOL. What do you do, just add on to the Bible as you go along?
I know Jesus loved her, but that's no reason to start praying to her. I don't pray to my mom. Why should I pray to anothers mom?
God has a mother? Or the Son of God has a mother. Mary, the mother of Jesus is dead. She did not rise from the dead; she remained dead. If Mary in Heaven prays for me, that is good, but prayers to Mary on my behalf I rank with those prayed to Athena or Diana.
Sorry to offend you.
She found favour in eyes of God and all generation of faithful praise Her (Lk:1:48) . Better you reconsider your disrespectful attitude if you want to be counted with those generations and ask Her for the intercession. Prayers of different persons are not equal. . .
She most definitely found favor with God, as He chose her to bear Jesus, but pray to her as unto God? Excuse me? Abraham found favor with God. Do you pray to him?
Prayers of different persons are not equal, for sure, but prayers to persons are equal, to zero. 
That's a very good point. But they have dead saints, too. He could be one of those, and the answer may be "yes."
However, on this matter I think you have a point. "Adelphos" at Matthew 13:55 can pretty much only mean "brother" -- I do not recall ever seeing the word used for a cousin, say. On the other hand, such an extended use of Hebrew "'ah" seems, to judge by my lexicon, common, and I would guess the same is true of the Aramaic equivalent.
"Matthew compiled the reports in a Hebrew manner of speech, but each interpreted them as he could."
Matthew wrote in Hebrew, or more likely, in Aramaic which is a Hebrew dialect that was the language of Jesus' day. He did not write the original Gospel in Greek!
It is obvious that whoever wrote a book called Matthew, the book now known to Christianity and which opens the New Testament was obviously rewritten in Greek by some later person. (most likely written by a Gentile or heavily edited by one) It was probably at that time that the now-cherished traditions of the birth and death accounts were tacked onto the sayings of Jesus! This is also probably when they tried to de-judaize Jesus. jmo
This is what Papias says about Mark:
"And the presbyter would say this: Mark, who was indeed Peter's interpreter, accurately wrote as much as he remembered, yet not in order, about that which was either said or did by the Lord. For he neither heard the Lord nor followed him, but later, as I said, Peter, who as necessary would make his teachings but not exactly an arrangement of the Lord's reports, so that Mark did not fail by writing certain things as he recalled. For he had one purpose, not to omit what he heard or falsify them."
Begs the question. Just who is this Mark? And since this Mark, is an interpreter for Peter, that means that the Gospel of Mark (deceptively named), isn't even giving a first hand account. Also notice he wrote down the sayings and deeds of Jesus, which exclude the birth and death accounts as we now have them. Now if the "sayings or deeds" of Jesus were all that Mark wrote down, and if, as so many authorities now assert, the Gospels of Matthew and Luke are based on Mark, from where did the genealogies and the birth and death narratives in the Gospels come from? Even with these questions, keep in mind that this particular "Mark" wasn't personally present at the events and sayings he reports.
The first New Testament was assembled by Marcion in 140 C.E.:
Here are some of the passages which are NOT found in Marcion's Gospel of Christ in his "first" New Testament:
* The birth of John the Baptist.
* The birth of Jesus.
* The baptism of Jesus.
* Jesus' genealogy of Luke 3:23-38.
* The temptation narrative of Luke 4:1-13.
* Jesus' preaching at Nazareth in Luke 4:16-30.
"Marcion, rejected the entire Old Testament. He accepted the following Christian writings in this order:
* Gospel according to Luke
* Galatians
* I Corinthians
* II Corinthians
* Romans
* I Thessalonians
* II Thessalonians
* Ephesians (which Marcion called Laodiceans)
* Colossians
* Philemon
* Philippians
but only after pruning and editorial adjustment. In his opinion the 12 apostles misunderstood the teaching of Christ, and, holding him to be the Messiah of the Jewish God, falsified his words from that standpoint. Passages that Marcion could regard only as Judaizing interpolations, that had been smuggled into the text by biased editors, had to be removed so the authentic text of Gospel and Apostle could once again be available. After these changes, the Gospel according to Luke became the Evangelicon, and the 10 Pauline letters, the Apostolikon.
Marcion rejected the following Christian writings:
* Gospel according to Matthew
* Gospel according to John"
Some things to think about. And no, this post is not directed AT you.
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