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The Beltway Sniper Case: What's Race Got to Do with It?
Toogood Reports ^ | 30 October 2002 | Nicholas Stix

Posted on 10/30/2002 1:16:17 PM PST by mrustow

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To: mrustow
I really don't want to believe Moose knew and didn't tell the public. Call me naive, but I prefer to believe he suspected but had no real proof. There were press conferences when Moose reminded everyone not to have tunnel vision about who the suspect(s) might be and what they might be driving even though they had the report of the white box truck. Moose said one problem with profiling is people will stop looking at other possibilities and in the end, the profile can be dead wrong.
21 posted on 10/30/2002 5:46:07 PM PST by Ligeia
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To: Travis McGee
SUE FARRACLOWN!!! SUE THE INS!!! I'm frustrated at this PC garbage, newshacks trying to lie to everyone just so the 'protected groups' won't get 'offended' and call those who tell the TRUTH, 'racists'

Malvo was ILLEGALLY here, and Muhamud, smuggled immigrants...is this how he was seen with wads of cash, trying to pick up women at bars...and bragging that he worked with the 'government'?

Moose, I don't know about. He seems to be playing the PC line...Montgomery County had been trying to promote the liberal aggenda since...God knows when... Moose said that 'he did'nt "want to paint a group"
22 posted on 10/30/2002 5:51:49 PM PST by Astro Boy
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To: SauronOfMordor
From the minute Moose saw the letter, containing the phrases "Word is Bond" and "Call me God", he could not fail to know he was dealing with a member of "Five Percent Nation of Islam". They are VERY well-represented in the prison system. A white civilian might be excused for not recognising the phrases (except that THIS white civilian, after seeing the phrases and doing a little google search, had all the info in 5 minutes), but a police chief familiar with black prison gangs could not fail to have recognised the phrases

Moose knew

True.

23 posted on 10/30/2002 6:19:13 PM PST by mrustow
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To: mrustow
I suspect it had more to do with Moose obeying orders to keep this thing going as long as possible in an attempt to hang the entire matter around Bush's neck with the elections coming up Nov 5th.

Liberals are a lawless element of the Democrat Party on the order of Al Queda sans explosives. No vile act is beneath them in their fanatical drive for power, control, and the destruction of everything American. Certainly delaying the capture of these two Muslim snipers is completely believable in their quest to turn America into a banana republic with a religious zeal to match any Islamic fanatic. They are criminals and it's time they start being treated to the justice that criminals deserve.

They must be investigated, charged, and imprisoned for their lawless acts, vote fraud, pandering for illegal votes, and the raping of laws by activist fanatics in the judiciary.

24 posted on 10/30/2002 6:28:49 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: mrustow; Travis McGee
I have an ATF source from the general area of the sniper shootings, and he told me a few days ago that they knew who the sniper was 6 days before he was captured at the rest area.

Does anyone know the last time that Muhammed and Malvo were stopped and had their tag run?

The reason I ask is that the ATF agent told me that they couldn't locate this known suspect and, in frustration, finally released the BOLO for the Caprice. In the meantime, citizens driving white vans were the subject of felony stops on the highway. It's a wonder that someone wasn't shot in the process.

Somebody, maybe a bunch of somebody's are full of sh!t.

25 posted on 10/30/2002 6:45:02 PM PST by wcbtinman
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To: Ligeia
I really don't want to believe Moose knew and didn't tell the public. Call me naive, but I prefer to believe he suspected but had no real proof. There were press conferences when Moose reminded everyone not to have tunnel vision about who the suspect(s) might be and what they might be driving even though they had the report of the white box truck. Moose said one problem with profiling is people will stop looking at other possibilities and in the end, the profile can be dead wrong.

You asked for it: Naive!

26 posted on 10/30/2002 7:28:24 PM PST by mrustow
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To: wcbtinman
I have an ATF source from the general area of the sniper shootings, and he told me a few days ago that they knew who the sniper was 6 days before he was captured at the rest area.

Does anyone know the last time that Muhammed and Malvo were stopped and had their tag run?

The reason I ask is that the ATF agent told me that they couldn't locate this known suspect and, in frustration, finally released the BOLO for the Caprice. In the meantime, citizens driving white vans were the subject of felony stops on the highway. It's a wonder that someone wasn't shot in the process.

Somebody, maybe a bunch of somebody's are full of sh!t.

This is a bombshell. I haven't seen any chronologies of the times their license was run.

27 posted on 10/30/2002 8:20:55 PM PST by mrustow
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To: glc1173@aol.com
"Race has everything to do with it - when the D.C. "snipers" were just part of a pattern of blacks in the U.S. committing homicide at EIGHT times the rate of nonminorities, according to (in)Justice Dept. statistics released while the Klintons were in power."

True blacks are involved in murders at higher rates than whites,but my understanding is that the majority of these murders are black on black,as opposed to blacks murdering whites.I refuse to believe blacks are inherently violent.Societal conditions contribute to these statistics,not that they excuse them.

28 posted on 10/30/2002 8:25:50 PM PST by Rocksalt
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To: mrustow
What's race got to do with it? As far as Pete Hamill and Al Sharpton are concerned, EVERYTHING.

You got that right! Thanks for the article, mrustow.

29 posted on 10/30/2002 9:31:32 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: mrustow
I see FR still has a big glich in the system. LOL I have had the repeat symdrome happining to my posts too.
Thanks for the ping.

I just heard about this 5percenter connection on another thread.

If this is connection is verified then this crime is all about race and hate.

I wonder if decent American loving blacks are seen as traders to the 5 percenters.

Hells Angels are called 1percenters maybe they will have it out with the 5percenters and both sides will abolish each other. Less scum all the way around. Just a thought.
30 posted on 10/30/2002 10:04:16 PM PST by oceanperch
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To: Rocksalt
Something is very naive or fishy smelling about your post.

Have you had much personal exp. living in a black community?

Perhaps if you truly have you would see things a little different.



31 posted on 10/30/2002 10:55:58 PM PST by oceanperch
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To: mrustow
Good column -- I read Pete Hamill's column the day it was published, and thought it was nonsense.
32 posted on 10/30/2002 11:18:52 PM PST by NYCVirago
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33 posted on 10/30/2002 11:22:46 PM PST by Freedom2specul8
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To: mrustow
The Washington Times
www.washtimes.com

FBI checking links between al Qaeda and sniper

Jerry Seper
THE WASHINGTON TIMES Published 10/18/2002

     U.S. intelligence officials and the FBI plan to question al Qaeda and Taliban members held at Cuba's Guantanamo Bay in an effort to establish any possible link between Islamic terrorists and the serial sniper who has killed nine persons in the Washington area.
     Although authorities believe it is unlikely that the unidentified shooter is an international terrorist, that possibility has not been ruled out. The interrogations, according to federal law enforcement officials, are part of an effort to cover all bases in the probe.
     "There is nothing to be lost in asking questions," said one law enforcement official, although he noted that an extensive review of U.S. intelligence data beginning shortly after the first shooting on Oct. 2 in Montgomery County had turned up no known terrorist connection.
     About 600 al Qaeda and Taliban prisoners are being detained at Guantanamo Bay. The interrogations, first reported by the New York Post, will involve an undetermined number of prisoners. But authorities said that those questioned are expected to talk to others about the sniper shootings and that those conversations also will be monitored.
     U.S. intelligence agents have said that several international terrorist groups, including the al Qaeda network of Osama bin Laden, have trained their members as snipers and intended to use them to target Americans.
     Self-professed September 11 organizer Ramzi Binalshibh told U.S. authorities after his arrest last month that al Qaeda had decentralized its leadership structure, making it more dangerous, and that terrorist cells now have more autonomy to conduct attacks around the world.
     U.S. intelligence agencies have estimated that as many as 5,000 al Qaeda members may be operating inside the United States.
     Before September 11, Binalshibh was involved in planning terrorist operations and helping with the logistics of terrorist attacks, including funding operations, U.S. officials said. He also reportedly was involved in recruiting Islamic radicals to join al Qaeda.
     Earlier this month, six suspected terrorists were charged in Portland, Ore., including a former U.S. Army reservist, with conspiring to join al Qaeda and the Taliban to wage war against U.S. forces in Afghanistan.
     The arrests stemmed from an incident that occurred two weeks after the September 11 attacks when a Skamania County, Wash., sheriff's deputy saw five of the men taking target practice in Middle Eastern garb. Armed with a shotgun, Chinese assault rifle and semiautomatic pistols, they were spotted by Deputy Mark Mercer in a private quarry in Washougal, Wash., near Portland.
     A few weeks later, Deputy Mercer noticed that one of the men, Ali Khaled Steitiye, had been arrested on weapons-related charges. He called the FBI, and an extensive investigation began after federal authorities tied Steitiye to terrorist group Hamas and learned that he had received paramilitary training with pro-Palestinian militants in Lebanon.
     One of the men, Jeffrey Leon Battle, joined the U.S. Army Reserves in 2000 and received training in weapons and tactics before he took an administrative discharge.
     Earlier this week, Homeland Security Director Tom Ridge said that investigators in the sniper case were hesitant to rule out the possibility that foreign or domestic terrorists were involved.
     A key Justice Department official also said that while the potential involvement of known terrorists in the sniper shootings had not been dismissed, investigators believe that the random targets and lack of any apparent political, social or religious motive made it unlikely.
     "Nobody has ruled out the possibility that the shooter belongs to some international terrorist organization," the official said. "But it does appear, for now, that this person is acting on his own, choosing his victims at random and for no apparent reason.
     "There are no clearly defined targets. He's left no calling card or made any demands or claims. The only common denominator appears to be that he wants to kill people," he said. "A terrorist would be expected to seek a bigger impact, spraying bullets into a crowd to kill more than one person at a time."
     The sniper's shooting spree began with the killing of a 55-year-old man in Wheaton. His victims have ranged in age from 13 to 72, and there is no evidence that any of them knew each other. The only link is the type of bullet the sniper used: high-velocity .223-caliber rounds, fired from a distance.
     A task force of state and local police, augmented by agents, analysts, profilers, ballistic experts and computer specialists from the FBI, the U.S. Marshals Service, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, and the U.S. Secret Service, are sifting through sparse forensic evidence and following up on thousands of telephone tips.

Copyright © 2002 News World Communications, Inc. All rights reserved.

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34 posted on 10/31/2002 4:37:49 AM PST by ppaul
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To: ppaul
He's left no calling card or made any demands or claims.

The Justice Dept. official who made this statement seems to have been misinformed.

35 posted on 10/31/2002 4:56:39 AM PST by aristeides
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To: wcbtinman
I have an ATF source from the general area of the sniper shootings, and he told me a few days ago that they knew who the sniper was 6 days before he was captured at the rest area.

6 days. Wouldn't that mean they knew who the sniper was the time of the Ashland shooting?

36 posted on 10/31/2002 4:58:15 AM PST by aristeides
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To: wcbtinman
Curious that the public info what resulted in the capture did NOT come out until a decent BLACK man was kilt in cold blood.
37 posted on 10/31/2002 5:13:21 AM PST by bvw
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To: oceanperch
Have you had much personal exp. living in a black community? Perhaps if you truly have you would see things a little different.

Explain how he might see things differently under your scenario. I'm listening...


38 posted on 10/31/2002 5:17:29 AM PST by rdb3
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To: Victoria Delsoul
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What's race got to do with it?

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39 posted on 10/31/2002 5:31:30 AM PST by ppaul
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To: Ligeia
Call me naive, but I prefer to believe he suspected but had no real proof.

He had no real proof that the sniper was white or Hispanic, yet he allowed speculation that serial killers are usually white, so it was probably a white guy. He allowed word to go out about them looking for a hispanic-looking guy. It was only when the data pointed to the possibility that it was a Five-Percent-Nation-of-Islam member that "suspicion-but-not-proof" became a criterion for not saying anything.

40 posted on 10/31/2002 5:59:56 AM PST by SauronOfMordor
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