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TERRI SCHIAVO TO DIE IN ATTORNEY'S "DEATH FACTORY": SUNCOAST HOSPICE BOSS IS GEORGE FELOS...
Becki Snow ^ | Nov 24, 2002 | Becki Snow

Posted on 11/24/2002 5:01:49 PM PST by dandelion

TERRI SCHIAVO TO DIE IN ATTORNEY'S "DEATH FACTORY": SUNCOAST HOSPICE BOSS IS GEORGE FELOS...

It reads like fiction, but it's the true story of Michael Schiavo (the Man), Terri Schiavo (his Wife), and George J. Felos (the Lawyer/Secret Chairman of "The Hospice") - and unless some brave soul intervenes, it will end with the murder of Terri Schiavo.

Terri Schiavo, an incapacitated but warmly responsive young woman, is in the care of "The Hospice of the Florida Suncoast" ("Hospice House Woodside") at 300 East Bay Drive, Largo, Florida. But unknown to her advocates, all of Terri's medical care has been influenced by a Chairman of the Hospice's Board of Directors - George J. Felos, attorney for Michael Schiavo, and self-described "right-to-die" advocate.

The Hospice nurses, volunteers, and doctors who are charged with the care, feeding, and unbiased medical evaluation of Terri Schiavo work for George J. Felos, a man who has publically proclaimed that Terri must die.

The death Felos has prescribed for Terri starts with a ban on all but the most basic physical care - the once beautiful woman rots in her "Hospice of the Florida Suncoast" bed, her teeth unbrushed, nails untrimmed, infections untreated. This was not always the case - even after her brain injury, Terri's parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, kept her groomed and pretty. Terri was even starting to speak again - words like "yes" "no" and "stop that" - but that was before Michael Schiavo hired George Felos to help his wife "die with dignity". Now, Terri's parents have been safely removed so as to avoid "false hope". All media and medical access is tightly controlled by Micheal Schiavo and Felos; in response, Terri has at last physically and mentally degenerated to the level where she may be exterminated by polite society.

Terri's slow death will grind down to a brutal, final starvation, executed at Felos' request on Jan 3, 2003. Upon Terri's death, several hundred thousand dollars that were earmarked for Terri's long-term care and therapy will finally be released to her husband Michael Schiavo, his new lover and their baby, to his attorney George Felos, and quite possibly in turn to the Hospice itself. It is unknown if Felos would advocate quick death for hospice patients who do not have large sums of money lubricating their exit from life; evidently the Hospice has not been forthcoming with clients in regard to George Felos' true role at the Hospice.

"The Hospice of The Florida Suncoast" has kept this information largely hidden from public scrutiny, but an investigation of the Hospice's annual reports reveals a new twist in the case of Terri Schiavo: George J. Felos is the official but unseen hand of the Hospice - and he advocates death for those in his care.

Neither George Felos nor "The Hospice of the Florida Suncoast" have disclosed the facts of Terri Schiavo's case - that from February 13, 1997 until at least April 26, 2001, George J. Felos was listed as the Chairman of the Board of Directors for "The Hospice of The Florida Suncoast" on the non-profit's annual reports.

Certainly one would hope that if the true role George Felos had been revealed in court, Judge George Greer would have made a much different ruling concerning Terri Schiavo's fate. Without knowledge of this brazen conflict of interest, the Sixth Circuit Judge would be forgiven if he seemed to believe that such a noble institutions a hospice - caring compassionately for the dying - could be trusted to make an unbiased report regarding Terri Schiavo's medical condition. With the information regarding this conflict of interest, the courts will be remiss to believe any evidence that Felos OR his "Hospice of The Florida Suncoast" might proffer in reference to Terri. Considering this new evidence, the courts of Florida would be complicit in Felos' duplicity should they not review this ruling.

Conversely, if Felos' chairmanship at the Hospice was indeed known to the courts during the trial, it would have been imperative that the court make this information known to the opposing council, Terri Schiavo's advocates, and to the public. Suppression of the Hospice and Felos' conflict of interest would destroy the integrity of this court, considering that Judge Greer himself was appointed by the court to be Terri's guardian ad litem. The guardian ad litem is required to act in the best interest of Terri Schiavo - not in the best interests of Mike Schiavo, the Schindlers, Attorney Felos or the Hospice. No honest court could defensibly argue that Terri's best interests would be served by lawyers, individuals or entities who stand to profit from her death.

This new information regarding non-disclosure of conflict of interest by Felos and "The Hospice of the Florida Suncoast" should warrant appeal of the Court's Nov. 22 ruling, and should spur a call for further investigation into possible fraud and conspiracy by the Hospice and Felos. The court's Nov. 22 ruling is based in part on medical information from the Hospice - information which may have been tainted by the lack of full disclosure regarding Chairman/Attorney George Felos.

According to The Hospice Patients Alliance Website and the Washington Post, ("Hospices Big Business, Thanks to Medicare; Exploitation of some patients is alleged" 06/14/98) this type of unethical activity is nothing new - it also may be illegal.

If "The Hospice of The Florida Suncoast" is to cast itself as an ethical entity, it must rectify and renounce the highly unethical conduct of it's Board of Directors and Past Chairman, George Felos:

- The Board of Directors of "The Hospice of The Florida Suncoast" cannot justify their actions, or the actions of past Chairman, George Felos. The Hospice knowingly placed Terri Schiavo in the care of Felos and his paid/volunteer subordinates without disclosing his role at the Hospice to the court, the public, or the opposing attorney.

- The Board of Directors of "The Hospice of The Florida Suncoast" cannot claim to be advocates for their clients while concealing the identity or activities of past Chairman Felos from their donors, the courts, or the clients they purport to serve.

- The Board of Directors of "The Hospice of The Florida Suncoast", cannot state they are caretakers when Felos and the Hospice knowingly conspired to hasten Terri Schiavo's death from the moment she was clandestinely removed from her nursing home and brought to the Hospice by Felos.

These new insights into the Hospice's inner workings raise questions that must be answered. How many elderly or infirm persons have Felos and the Hospice possibly exploited for monetary gain? How many other impaired but recovering persons have been brought into the Hospice's "care" without their explicit consent? How many other incapacitated or differently-abled people might have suffered or will suffer the same fate as Terri Schiavo?

Under Florida law, do these human beings qualify for the basic guarantees of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, or are they only products to be mined by George Felos and "The Hospice of The Florida Suncoast"?

If Felos and the Hospice espouse that incapacitated people have no rights other than those assigned to them by the Hospice and it's agents, then "The Hospice of The Florida Suncoast" is nothing more than a Death Factory.

George Felos' "Hospice of The Florida Suncoast" is not an uninterested third party in this case, as they portray themselves to be. The Board of Directors hired Michael Shiavo's lawyer as their Chairman, then conspired with Felos to obscure his role while bringing Terri coercively under Hospice control. "The Hospice of The Florida Suncoast" must come clean and come forward with any additional information they may hold regarding George Felos, Terri Schiavo, or any other hospice patients who may have been "represented" by Felos. The Hospice must also reveal any plans that they and their past Chairman of the Board may have for Terri's award money following her "facilitated" death.

For Michael Schiavo, George J. Felos and the Board of Directors of "The Hospice of the Florida Suncoast", Terri Schiavo's death cannot come soon enough - and unless the American public can persuade the courts to rule otherwise, Terri will die January 3, 2003.

Copyright November 24, 2002 - Becki Snow

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TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: corruption; felos; floridasuncoast; greer; hospice; righttolife; schiavo; schindler; terri; terrischiavo
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This is a HUGE conflict of interest, and a bombshell if used properly in the appeal process. Please pray, forward this story to the media, and while you're at it, bump this thread and keep it going. While you're bumping, contact the Judge in this case (ggreer@co.pinellas.fl.us) and let him know that they need to vacate their ruling regarding Terri and grant an APPEAL asap. If that doesn't work, PROTEST this at the HOSPICE ITSELF.
1 posted on 11/24/2002 5:01:50 PM PST by dandelion
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To: dandelion
Florida West Coast Right to Life BTT!!
2 posted on 11/24/2002 5:12:04 PM PST by STARWISE
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To: TheRedSoxWinThePennant; rightwingscott; wgeorge2001; thatdewd; spectre; Old Professer; Kadric; ...
BUMP to the home team. Please forward!
3 posted on 11/24/2002 5:16:34 PM PST by dandelion
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To: STARWISE
STARWISE! Hey, can you think of who might like to see this info? I've sent it out to Glenn Beck, but I'm trying to cover ALL the bases. Anybody come to mind?
4 posted on 11/24/2002 5:17:44 PM PST by dandelion
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To: dandelion
Was this conflict of interest used in the recent retrial, and if so, what was the judge's ruling? If it wasn't used, why wasn't it used?
5 posted on 11/24/2002 5:20:43 PM PST by Catspaw
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To: Catspaw
Nobody knew about it - IT WAS NEVER DISCLOSED to the opposing counsel!!
6 posted on 11/24/2002 5:21:41 PM PST by dandelion
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To: Catspaw
Also, this just broke the night AFTER Terri was sentenced to death...
7 posted on 11/24/2002 5:22:22 PM PST by dandelion
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To: dandelion
Instead of appealling, why don't they file a motion asking for a new trial because of newly-discovered evidence? That'd definitely postpone the 1/1/03 date. I doubt if the appeals court will allow new evidence in, but rather, has to go on the lower court's trial and evidence.
8 posted on 11/24/2002 5:25:40 PM PST by Catspaw
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To: dandelion
unless the American public can persuade the courts to rule otherwise,

           I would hope our judiciary is unresponsive to public outcry.
           A democracy this isn't, but a republic of laws.

9 posted on 11/24/2002 5:38:36 PM PST by gcruse
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To: dandelion
SAVE TERRI BUMP
10 posted on 11/24/2002 5:39:52 PM PST by TheRedSoxWinThePennant
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To: dandelion
I live in Tampa and have been following this situation for quite a few years now. There was an extensive thread at the St. Pete Times forums for a long while about this.

Two truths in this matter:

Terri Schiavo is a turnip.

Hospice is one of the finest, noblest organizations in the State of Florida or the U.S.

I don't know where this article originated, but folks need to get past the sensationalist media presentation and investigate the facts. The judge in this case has ruled NUMEROUS times that this woman should be allowed to die with dignity of some sort rather than continue as a stomach tube fertilized vegetable.

Her parents just will NOT let go and accept the situation for what it is. It's shamefully selfish behavior on their parts. The husband is not the monster that the media wants to portray him as. The Law is in favor of his position for a reason... because it's the correct and merciful thing to do.

Regards,

V.T. Eric Layton
***Tempus Fugits***
vtel57@softhome.net
11 posted on 11/24/2002 5:41:36 PM PST by vtel57
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To: dandelion
How did she end up in this shape to begin with? What's the full story on her situation?
12 posted on 11/24/2002 5:54:14 PM PST by MHT
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To: vtel57
I live in Tampa and have been following this situation for quite a few years now. There was an extensive thread at the St. Pete Times forums for a long while about this.

wow the st pete times forum now thats hard hitting fact based news

so thats what makes you think she is a turnip. I dare say you need to do more research on this before you use such ignorant statements. Witnesses in the courtroom watched her follow commands on video, the nurses at a previous hospice pleaded with her husband to allow them to try spoon feeding her and he said no she might choke
she is definately severly brain damaged but not brain dead but without an advanced directive How can you just starve a handicapped person to death.

so whats next lets just starve newborns who are handicapped. then we can starve our alzeimers stricken parents and grandparents.
13 posted on 11/24/2002 6:08:17 PM PST by TheRedSoxWinThePennant
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To: vtel57
Hospice is a wonderful organization, but the Board of Directors knowing hid from the courts the fact that Michael Schiavo's Lawyer is ALSO their Chairman of the Board. This is a conflict of interest and either Felos (Schiavo's lawyer) or Hospice should have disclosed that fact to the court and to Terri's parents. No matter how wonderful an organization may be, there is always room at the top for corruption.

If Hospice is to remain a wonderful organization, they need to come clean about this and rectify the conflict of interest. The only way to do that is for either Michael to hire a new attorney, or for the Hospice to place Terri in an independent hospice facility.

14 posted on 11/24/2002 6:10:23 PM PST by dandelion
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To: MHT
Go to http://www.terrisfight.org - it's a sight by her parents, so you'll only get one side of the story. For a balanced view, go to google.com and search "terri schiavo" for all the news stories on this case.

There's a lot to digest concerning her case, but in this instance, right-to-die, right-to-life or otherwise, there are laws which must be obeyed concerning conflict of interest and guardian ad litem. These facts about Felos and the Hospice should have been FULLY disclosed by either or both of those parties.

15 posted on 11/24/2002 6:15:10 PM PST by dandelion
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To: dandelion
Bill O'Reilly

Dennis Prager

Michael Savage

Jeb Bush

Rep. Bill Young email: Bill.Young@mail.house.gov;

local office contacts:

Congressman Bill Young
360 Central Avenue, Suite 1480
St. Petersburg, FL 33701
(727) 893-3191

801 West Bay Drive, Suite 606
Largo, FL, 33770
(727) 581-0980

I have issues with his politiking on behalf of a certain airport luggage scanner company, but he seems to also focus on health and medical issues.

16 posted on 11/24/2002 6:20:23 PM PST by STARWISE
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To: vtel57
Don't waste your time with these fanatics. Since they wouldn't be the one stuck with the lifetime bills, they don't have a problem wrecking this poor guys life. If you ask them to open their wallets, their little piggy eyes get beady - if you ask them to drop the hyperbole, they just shriek louder.

It hasn't dawned on them that even if the poor slob divorced her, he'd be on the hook for 100% of her medical expenses, and of course, this family would insist on the best, especially since they weren't paying for it.

Ask them about whether the limit of the major medical has been reached, and they'll just look dense. Heck, the man is probably deep into the 700, and these morons would have him keep the lady going forever without improvement.

The guy has made his bona fides by me by keeping her going as long as he has.

17 posted on 11/24/2002 6:22:59 PM PST by Chancellor Palpatine
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
... these fanatics...their little piggy eyes get beady...they just shriek louder...(and so on)

My, but aren't you a nasty bugger? You've already stated you're ignorant of the details, but yet you feign such conviction about the issue. I think there's someone else to feel sorry for besides poor Terri. You.

18 posted on 11/24/2002 6:34:48 PM PST by thatdewd
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
why dont you go make yourself less ignorant before you post the medical bills are paid from a malpractice claim mike won against terris doctor. mike wanted to take terri home and take care of her so he sued and won.


oops one problem he was already dating someone else before the suit was over so he stuck her in a nursing home. He needs her to die to get the money if she lives it goes toward her care. terris parents want to take care of her but he wont let them go get educated before you make such nasty posts about something you know nothing about
19 posted on 11/24/2002 6:43:15 PM PST by TheRedSoxWinThePennant
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To: vtel57
Terri is not a turnip. Would I want to die in her state? Yes. I think this case is the exception, seems that the husband wants her dead. Did you know that she had an eating disorder? Did you know that she showed up at work with bruises? Did you know that xrays revealed broken rib bones from a beating? I dont know if she wants to live. In this case we have to give her the benefit of the doubt for all our sakes.
20 posted on 11/24/2002 6:49:13 PM PST by aquawrench
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To: TheRedSoxWinThePennant
Oh? So the husband won liability and damages only because he was going to take her home?

What turnip truck do you think I fell off of?

21 posted on 11/24/2002 6:50:03 PM PST by Chancellor Palpatine
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
So, what's your opinion on the conflict of interest? Even if Terri was a doorknob, there is still a rule of law to be followed. Surely the Chancellor believes in the rule of law ;)
22 posted on 11/24/2002 6:52:47 PM PST by dandelion
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
no but he was "going to rehab her" but now that he has the money he will just starve her
23 posted on 11/24/2002 6:53:01 PM PST by TheRedSoxWinThePennant
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To: dandelion
The court appointed its own expert, and the coma patient had a guardian - if the evidence supports it, then any conflict (and I don't necessarly see it) is irrelevant.
24 posted on 11/24/2002 6:56:44 PM PST by Chancellor Palpatine
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
The court has to recognize conflict of interest in order to obtain an unbiased medical evaluation of Terri - and the court must decide whether or not the conflict of interest is important. Since this has been discovered, it must be addressed.
25 posted on 11/24/2002 7:00:14 PM PST by dandelion
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
Oh? So the husband won liability and damages only because he was going to take her home?

That was what he tearfully kept telling the jury in the suit to get the money. That was how he got the money awarded, by convincing them he needed it so he could CARE for her at home because he was such a loving husband and wanted her to have the therapy and treatment she needed. As soon as it was awarded, he ended her treatment and stuck her in a hospice to die so he could inherit the money.

26 posted on 11/24/2002 7:03:39 PM PST by thatdewd
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
The court appointed its own expert, and the coma patient had a guardian -

She's NOT in a coma.

...if the evidence supports it, then any conflict (and I don't necessarly see it) is irrelevant.

And OJ really didn't do it.

27 posted on 11/24/2002 7:10:19 PM PST by thatdewd
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To: dandelion
This new information regarding non-disclosure of conflict of interest by Felos and "The Hospice of the Florida Suncoast" should warrant appeal of the Court's Nov. 22 ruling, and should spur a call for further investigation into possible fraud and conspiracy by the Hospice and Felos. The court's Nov. 22 ruling is based in part on medical information from the Hospice - information which may have been tainted by the lack of full disclosure regarding Chairman/Attorney George Felos.

BUMP

28 posted on 11/24/2002 7:25:43 PM PST by thatdewd
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To: dandelion
The death Felos has prescribed for Terri starts with a ban on all but the most basic physical care - the once beautiful woman rots in her "Hospice of the Florida Suncoast" bed, her teeth unbrushed, nails untrimmed, infections untreated. This was not always the case - even after her brain injury, Terri's parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, kept her groomed and pretty. Terri was even starting to speak again - words like "yes" "no" and "stop that" - but that was before Michael Schiavo hired George Felos to help his wife "die with dignity". Now, Terri's parents have been safely removed so as to avoid "false hope". All media and medical access is tightly controlled by Micheal Schiavo and Felos.

BTTT

29 posted on 11/24/2002 7:47:28 PM PST by MaedGross
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
"What turnip truck do you think I fell off of?"

The red one.

30 posted on 11/24/2002 7:51:01 PM PST by S.O.S121.500
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To: dandelion
prayer bump
31 posted on 11/24/2002 8:30:21 PM PST by Jael
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To: TheRedSoxWinThePennant; dandelion; aquawrench
Firstly, I wasn't suggesting that the St. Pete Times online forums were my sources of factual information. I was pointing out that the Terri Schiavo situation is a very hotly debated topic... in numerous places.

Secondly, some of you make allegations of abuse that was supposedly perpetrated against Ms. Schiavo by (I assume you mean) her husband. In all the years of reading about this I've never seen printed in media or on television any hint of these things. What are YOUR sources for this info? State your sources openly so they can be researched by others or please refrain from making heresay comments when trying to debate a point.

Thirdly, I would be willing to bet that none of you have ever been in a situation even near what Mr. Schiavo is going through. I've had a similar situation. My mother had wishes that she not receive any intrusive procedures or reviving procedures in the event of terminal illness. Unfortunately, she didn't have that document on record in the hospital where she was taken on the last day of her life. The emergency room doctors had to ask me what I wanted to do. My mother's heart was failing and she was not getting oxygen to her brain. This was my own mother! A woman that I loved dearly... more than anything in this world, yet I had to adhere to her wishes. I would not give the doctors permission to use the above listed procedures. I watched the light of life leave my own mother's dear eyes.

So let me tell you how it is... if you ain't lived it, you don't know sh*t.

Oh, and about the Hospice thing... what exactly is the conflict of interest here? Hospice provides aid and support for terminally ill patients with funds provided by private donations and medicare. It would seem to me that were Hospice to have a darker motive in this situation, then they'd want Ms. Schiavo to be kept alive indefinitely. That way they could continue to collect funds for her support. Yet, you all say that because the Chairman of Hospice also happens to be Mr. Schiavo's lawyer that there is some conflict here? Where? It doesn't make sense. Also, do you really think the judge, court system, and all the lawyers involved in this are so stupid as to have not seen and considered these same things that you so hotly debate here?

Life is a cruel, remorseless thing. You live, then you die. There are no alternatives to this. It's terrible that animals and plants and people die, but that's reality. To what possible purpose should a woman in a totally vegetative state be kept alive artificially? Is it a moral thing? Is it a proper thing? Would the woman herself have wanted all this pain and anger to have been experienced all because of her? Have you considered that it may be a mercy to let her go?

Again, hard to judge when you haven't walked in Mr. Schiavo's shoes or those of Ms. Schiavo's parents. I feel for them and I wish the ills of this world had never touched their lives like this... or the lives of any of us, for that matter.

Regards,

V.T. Eric Layton
***Tempus Fugits***
vtel57@softhome.net
32 posted on 11/24/2002 8:40:45 PM PST by vtel57
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To: vtel57
First, I just want to say welcome to this board. This place gets pretty hot, but it's worth it.

My father died in hospice care, so I have walked the mile. I will probably walk it again, and each case is different, so just when I think I know it all I learn something new. I just hope that next time, I will be able to be there when that last moment comes. It's too hard when you don't get to say goodbye :(

The conflict of interest thing may NOT be a problem - but in almost all cases, it is the court which must decide whether or not it is a problem. Mr. Felos is an attorney, so certainly he must have known how important it is to make a full disclosure of all POTENTIAL conflicts of interest to the court. The Hospice was certainly aware that their was a conflict of interest, so it is suspect as to why they did NOT bring it up in court if the conflict would be ruled not important. Unfortunately, I have to agree with the author on this point... their lack of full disclosure insinuates that they knew this conflict would be an issue with the court and with the opposing council.

33 posted on 11/24/2002 8:57:48 PM PST by dandelion
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To: dandelion
Do you have a link to a description of the story with background info? If one does not know the background, then your post is totally incomprehensible, and reads like a contrails kidn of story.
34 posted on 11/24/2002 9:01:46 PM PST by Rodney King
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To: Rodney King
The links are imbedded in the story - the main link seems to be to the Hospice Corporation Page with annual reports here

http://www.sunbiz.org/scripts/cordet.exe?a1=DETFIL&n1=739288&n2=NAMFWD&n3=0002&n4=N&r1=762333&r2=0001&r3=N&r4=HOSPICECHARLOTTE&r5=

The reports are tif files that must be downloaded from the bottom of the page, then they can be viewed. They don't show up on the rest of the page. They do have George Felos listed as the Chairman - I looked at them. If you want the background of the story, go to

http://www.terrisfight.org, or go to the Tampa Tribune sight

http://www.tampatrib.com/

they have a lot of stories on this one I think.

35 posted on 11/24/2002 9:08:53 PM PST by dandelion
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To: dandelion
Hi Dandelion...

... and thank you for the welcome.

I don't mean to come off sounding like a hard-ass. I wouldn't want to be in Ms. Schiavo's parents position at all. I'm sure they've had to bear unbearable stress and sadness over this situation. I have a heart.

It's just that the evidence, both judicial and medical, overwhelmingly leads one to believe that Ms. Schiavo should be allowed to go to her rest... a merciful rest. I mean, c'mon... even with the family pet we're more humane than the treatment that this woman has gotten. There is a time to give up. That time is long past for her, in my opinion.

Seeing as how I'm neither a medical expert not a legal expert, what I think about this is purely just my opinion. It's just how I feel based on the information that has been made available to us through the media.

As I said before... I would wish it were otherwise for her and all those suffering around her due to this. And to be perfectly honest with you, this should never have become a media circus. I believe that this should have stayed a private matter between all those involved. It's really no one's business but theirs.

Thanks for the civil discourse, eventhough we may not agree on everything. It's always enjoyable to debate civily on forums such as this one.

Regards,

V.T. Eric Layton
***Tempus Fugits***
vtel57@softhome.net
36 posted on 11/24/2002 10:06:39 PM PST by vtel57
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To: vtel57; All
Thanks for the civil discourse, eventhough we may not agree on everything. It's always enjoyable to debate civily on forums such as this one.

VIVA la INTERNET!!!

37 posted on 11/24/2002 10:53:49 PM PST by Lael
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To: vtel57
Ms. Schiavo should be allowed to go to her rest... a merciful rest.

It is not a merciful rest to be be denied both food and water until you die. My sister who is a nurse said it is a very painful death for both the patient and the loved ones who must watch it happen, or do you think that she should be left in a room to die alone.

38 posted on 11/25/2002 5:03:34 AM PST by mware
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To: Rodney King
Terri Schiavo has had medical evaluations recently, five in fact (two by the Schindler's doctors, two by Michael Schiavo's doctors, and one by a doctor appointed by the court).  The judge ruled that the therapy proposed by the Schindler doctors is "untried."   Prior to this last hearing, the Schindlers accused Michael Schiavo of beating Terri.  From previously reading the story in the Tampa Trib, Michael Schiavo has about $145,000 left from the settlement, money that'll be depleted rapidly by another round of appeals, and possibly another trial. 

It would seem that if this is newly discovered evidence about Felos, that the Schindler's attorneys are incompetent because they failed to discover this information for the time they've been the Schindler's attorneys.  

The Tampa Trib article will cost you $1.95, if you want to read it.  They only archive their paid stories for three days, unless they have a special section on Schiavo that I can't seem to find.

Judge: Unhook Schiavo's Tube

Published on November 23, 2002, Article 1 of 4 found.

PARENTS VOW TO CONTINUE APPEALS

CLEARWATER - A judge again has ordered that Terri Schiavo's feeding tube be disconnected, thwarting her parents' desire to try new therapies on the stricken woman.

Friday's ruling sets the stage for a second round of appeals in the 5-year-old right-to-die case, which last year saw the feeding tube briefly disconnected at the order of Pasco-Pinellas Circuit Judge George Greer, only to be reattached on another judge's (The Tampa Tribune, 1211 words.)

 

Complete article $1.95

 Judge: Schiavo can't recover
St. Petersburg Times; St. Petersburg, Fla.; Nov 23, 2002; CRAIG PITTMAN;

Abstract:
The appeals court said [George Greer] should order Mrs. Schiavo examined by five doctors - two picked by the Schindlers, two by Schiavo and one chosen by the judge. They should then testify about whether there is any medical treatment that could revive her.

In a hearing last month, three doctors testified Mrs. Schiavo is beyond help. They were the two chosen by Schiavo and the one picked by Greer.

SEPT. 26, 2001: In arguments before 2nd District Court of Appeal, Schindlers' attorneys cite testimony from seven doctors who say Mrs. Schiavo's idle cells might "wake up" with the right treatment. [Michael Schiavo] calls claims ridiculous.

Full Text:
Copyright Times Publishing Co. Nov 23, 2002

Terri Schiavo cannot be healed by modern medicine and should be allowed to die, a Pinellas-Pasco circuit judge ruled Friday.

He ordered that the feeding tube be removed from the brain- damaged woman's stomach on Jan. 3 at 3 p.m. She then would expire from dehydration within two weeks.

The ruling by Judge George Greer was not unexpected, nor was the reaction: Mrs. Schiavo's parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, who have battled in every court possible to keep their 38-year-old daughter alive, vowed to ask an appellate court to overturn Greer's decision.

"To me, they're going to murder this girl," Bob Schindler said. "I think she's gotten railroaded by this kangaroo court."

The Schindlers have been locked in a bitter and expensive fight over their daughter with their son-in-law, Michael Schiavo, who contends that his wife did not want to be kept on life support.

The Schindlers and Schiavo have accused each other of trying to control her fate to get $700,000 she received in 1993 from a malpractice suit - although their ongoing legal battle has largely depleted that fund.

Schiavo could not be reached for comment Friday. In an interview on Bay News 9, he said he understands why the Schindlers might be upset about losing their daughter, but that the case is not about what they want.

"This is about Terri's wishes," he said. He said his wife would be upset about her parents' efforts to save her. "Their daughter would be extremely angry with them right now."

He also vehemently denied the Schindlers' suggestion, made in court papers last week, that he caused his wife's condition by beating her up. Doctors have repeatedly attributed her persistent vegetative state to a heart attack she suffered in 1990, which temporarily cut off the flow of blood to her brain.

Mrs. Schiavo resides at a Pinellas Park hospice facility, where she is kept alive by feedings of a vitamin-enriched beverage and water at 8 a.m. and 8 p.m.

She is not in a coma. Her eyes are open during the day and she sleeps at night. She smiles, laughs, cries and moans. But her doctors say those are involuntary reflexes, not signs of emotional or intellectual activity, as the Schindlers contend.

This marks the second time in two years that Greer has agreed with Michael Schiavo that the feeding tube should be removed. The first time, in February 2000, the Schindlers took their objections to the U.S. Supreme Court, which refused to intervene.

But the 2nd District Court of Appeal in Lakeland decided last year that Greer had not heard enough medical testimony and sent it back to him.

The appeals court said Greer should order Mrs. Schiavo examined by five doctors - two picked by the Schindlers, two by Schiavo and one chosen by the judge. They should then testify about whether there is any medical treatment that could revive her.

In a hearing last month, three doctors testified Mrs. Schiavo is beyond help. They were the two chosen by Schiavo and the one picked by Greer.

The two chosen by the Schindlers, however, said they believed there are untried therapies that could bring her back to life. One, Clearwater neurologist Dr. William Hammesfahr, even predicted a treatment he developed for stroke patients could restore her ability to speak.

Schiavo's attorney, George Felos, raised questions about Hammesfahr's credibility by pointing out the state board of medicine had accused him of falsely advertising his treatment.

This week, though, an administrative judge rejected the board's accusations and, based on testimony from several satisfied customers, called Hammesfahr "the first physician to treat patients successfully to restore deficits caused by stroke."

In Greer's order, the Pinellas probate judge labeled Hammesfahr a "self-promoter," who testified that he had treated patients worse off than Mrs. Schiavo yet "offered no names, no case studies, no videos and no test results to support his claim."

In short, the judge wrote in the nine-page order, he needed "something more than a belief" that some new treatment could restore Mrs. Schiavo's faculties "so as to significantly improve her quality of life. There is no such testimony, much less a preponderance of evidence to that effect."

Without that evidence, he wrote, he must order the withdrawal of the feeding tube. In a brief interview Friday, Greer said he picked 3 p.m. for the scheduled removal of the tube because "high noon seemed a bit dramatic."

Drama has not been in short supply throughout the case, which has attracted nationwide media attention. Earlier this month Schiavo appeared on Connie Chung's CNN program, where he mentioned his girlfriend recently had a baby - a revelation that infuriated the Schindlers.

In court papers filed last week, they accused him of making a mockery of his marriage and cited that as one reason he should be removed as his wife's legal guardian.

"Schiavo is Terri's husband in name only, and it is upon that legal relationship that his right to be her legal guardian is based," wrote the Schindlers' attorney, Patricia Fields Anderson.

Although the Schindlers contend their daughter responds to the things they tell her during visits to her hospice bedside, they have not mentioned her husband's child or the court case that may end her life, her father said.

"We've sheltered her from what's going on around her," Schindler said. "Every time we see her, we talk about the more pleasant side of life."

Schiavo timeline

FEB. 25, 1990: Terri Schiavo has heart attack, temporarily cutting off oxygen to her brain.

FEB. 14, 1993: Terri Schiavo's husband, Michael, and her parents, Robert and Mary Schindler, have falling out.

JULY 29, 1993: Schindlers file petition to have Michael Schiavo removed as guardian; case is later dismissed.

MAY 1998: Michael Schiavo files petition to remove wife's feeding tube.

JAN. 24, 2000: Trial begins.

FEB. 11, 2000: Pinellas-Pasco Circuit Judge George Greer rules feeding tube can be removed.

JAN. 24, 2001: 2nd District Court of Appeal upholds judge's decision to discontinue life support.

MARCH 29, 2001: Greer rules Michael Schiavo can remove feeding tube at 1 p.m. April 20.

APRIL 18, 2001: Florida Supreme Court declines to intervene.

APRIL 20, 2001: Federal judge grants Schindlers until April 23 to exhaust appeals.

APRIL 23, 2001: U.S. Supreme Court refuses to intervene. Attorney for Schindlers says this was their final appeal.

APRIL 26, 2001: Pinellas-Pasco Circuit Judge Frank Quesada orders doctors to resume feeding Mrs. Schiavo while her parents pursue lawsuit against Michael Schiavo. Suit accuses him of committing perjury by saying his wife did not want to be kept on life support.

APRIL 30, 2001: Lawyers for Michael Schiavo file an emergency motion with an appeals court, asking for court to order another end to the feeding of Schiavo's wife.

MAY 2, 2001: 2nd District Court of Appeal defers a ruling, which allowed Schiavo's feeding to resume.

JUNE 25, 2001: 2nd District Court of Appeal hears arguments.

JULY 11, 2001: Appeals court sends case back to Judge Greer, ruling that Mrs. Schiavo cannot be taken off life support until after July 23.

JULY 18, 2001: Schindlers ask Greer to let their doctors evaluate her before deciding whether her feeding tube should be withdrawn.

AUG. 7, 2001: Attorneys receive Greer's order that the feeding tube be removed Aug. 28.

AUG. 8, 2001: Schindlers again ask Greer to allow doctors to evaluate their daughter before tube is removed.

AUG. 10, 2001: Greer denies Schindlers' request and their request to have Michael Schiavo removed as his wife's guardian.

SEPT. 26, 2001: In arguments before 2nd District Court of Appeal, Schindlers' attorneys cite testimony from seven doctors who say Mrs. Schiavo's idle cells might "wake up" with the right treatment. Michael Schiavo calls claims ridiculous.

OCT. 3, 2001: Appeals court delays removal of feeding tube indefinitely.

OCT. 17, 2001: Appeals court rules that five doctors can examine Schiavo to determine whether she can ever recover: two from each side and one picked by the court.

FEB. 13, 2002: Attempts at mediation fail. Schiavo seeks again to remove his wife's feeding tube.

OCT. 12, 2002: Weeklong hearing begins. Three of the five doctors testify Mrs. Schiavo cannot recover. Two picked by the Schindlers say she can be revived.

NOV. 12, 2002: Schindlers' attorney says medical records suggest Mrs. Schiavo's vegetative state may have been caused by a beating, seeks time to get more evidence.

NOV. 22, 2002: Greer turns down request for more time. He rules no current medicine can revive Mrs. Schiavo and orders feeding tube removed Jan. 3.[Illustration]
Caption: Terri Schiavo; Photo: PHOTO


39 posted on 11/25/2002 5:05:53 AM PST by Catspaw
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To: Catspaw; dandelion; gcruse; TheRedSoxWinThePennant; wimpycat; vtel57; MHT; STARWISE; thatdewd; ...
Oops. Doesn't look like there is much money left for this "greedy" husband to get at (as I predicted), and it also looks like the Schindler docs are quacks and hucksters.
40 posted on 11/25/2002 7:13:37 AM PST by Chancellor Palpatine
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
It also seems like the Schinders are having a tough time dealing with their daughter's persistent vegetative state, and they seem to be stuck in one place, and the anger is flamed by others with an agenda, one which is now encouraging the use of an untested, untried experimental therapy. I doubt if the Schindlers will stop the litigation long after the money's gone to the lawyers--their anger is much to great at Michael Schiavo, and they're using the courts to punish him, and this will continue long after Terri Schiavo dies. Sadly, this case has become their lives, their blind obsession, and if they let go of the case and their daughter, they'll have nothing else.
41 posted on 11/25/2002 8:19:06 AM PST by Catspaw
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To: Catspaw
Have you seen the video of her responding? Do we now become a people who "off" the least able among us?

42 posted on 11/25/2002 9:10:31 AM PST by Jael
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To: Jael
Actually, I have seen the video to Terri Schiavo. "Responding" is not the word I'd give it. She's like so many persons I took care of when I worked in a nursing home during college--she's in a vegetative state. She has periods of wakefulness and asleep, she makes grunts and other noises, her eyes move around, but yet have little to no focus. These people will "look" at someone and sometimes you'll think their eyes are tracking, but the eyes will look right through you and past you. Of course, video can be manipulated to make it seem as though someone is responding. What I saw was someone whose body was present, making some involuntary movements that could be interpreted as "responding" by those who want to believe she is responding to stimuli. What would be more effective was to see how she reacts or doesn't react over a series of days, even weeks.

The parents are desparate to hang on to their daughter, and that's understandable. Their anger and rage is less understandable, although it is a stage of grief, but there is counseling tailored for them. I suggest they avail themselves of that counseling. However, I have to question why they'd want their daughter to be used as an guinea pig for an untested experimental treatment (unless the doctors who are recommending this treatment have written a scientific study on effectivness of this treatment, something that wasn't submitted into evidence, at least according to the Judge's decision). This does reminds me of terminal cancer patients who'll try anything, no matter how bizarre, to keep themselves from succumbing to the disease.

43 posted on 11/25/2002 9:56:21 AM PST by Catspaw
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To: Catspaw
You have not addressed the issue. Why should this woman be murdered, starved to death, to satisfy the demands of another?

When we can't protect and care for the innocent and helpless, we become what we hate.

44 posted on 11/25/2002 1:51:14 PM PST by Jael
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To: Jael
That's how you're framing the issue, but I'm not. I'm sure you're a supporter of the Schindlers in their quest to wreak vengeance against their son-in-law.

Can you give guarantees that using their daughter as a guinea pig can restore her to even 5% of the life she had before? Does Terri Schiavo have any cognition? Does she know what's happening around her? Does she have a life beyond lying in a hospital bed for years on end? How many times a day does she involuntarily defecate and urinate? Have you ever taken care of comatose and vegetative state patients? Have you ever wiped the feces from their rectums and buttocks (if they haven't smeared it all over their bodies and put their feces-covered hands in their mouths, as some are wont to do)? How many hours a week do you work or volunteer at a hospice or nursing home?

As for me, if I were in this state, I have already made sure that my family knows that I would not want to exist in this condition by exercising a living will. Why? Because, after caring for patients like these, I may have the capacity to breathe, process nutrition, defecate and urinate, only the body is present. My ability to think, function, have any cognition is long gone. My soul is waiting for the body to join it.

45 posted on 11/25/2002 2:19:15 PM PST by Catspaw
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To: vtel57
I am not arguing a persons right to die if I were in terri's shoes would I want to live ABSOLUTELY NOT but terri is not brain dead she was thrown into a nursing home right after discharge from the hospital. her husband denied any therapy. unfortunately there is no advance directive so what her wishes are will remain unknown.

the problem I have is that we can start starving the severe handicapped or infirmed this is not keeping a brain dead person alive with a ventilator or not reviving the terminally ill. If this becomes the norm whats to stop a parent from starving their handicapped child or a child starving their alzeimers patient?

terri is not brain dead she does follow commands as far as the abuse I cannot say one way or the other but a bone scan revealed numerous old fractures (this has been reported in both tampa papers) so thats where that allegation came from.
46 posted on 11/25/2002 5:07:24 PM PST by TheRedSoxWinThePennant
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To: Catspaw
As long as she has breath, her soul is present. And yes, I have cared for the infirm and the dying. And if you want someone dead because you are worried about someone having to wipe their butt's, you ought to rethink things.
47 posted on 11/25/2002 5:34:09 PM PST by Jael
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To: TheRedSoxWinThePennant
Hi RedSox,

Here're a few exerpts from a Tampa trib article of 11 October:

Exerpt 1:A doctor who testified Friday called her movements a "primitive reflex," and contended that Terri Schiavo is brain dead and will never emerge from the vegetative state she's lived in since a 1990 heart attack.

Exerpt 2: Gambone acknowledged that Terri Schiavo appeared in the video to be reacting to people around her but said her movements and utterances are involuntary reflexes.

Exerpt 3:"Her condition is one that there is no recovery," he testified. "The damage that was done to her brain is not repairable."

My question here is: Who's right? Which physician or speclialist is telling us the truth. A brain activity scan is a relatively simple procedure for them to have performed on Ms. Schiavo. From my understanding of this, there's not a whole lot of interpretation involved in this... either there's brain activity or there isn't. The physician in this article is claiming she's brain dead. Is he lying?

Here's the link for the article:

http://ap.tbo.com/ap/florida/MGAXV1II67D.html

Regards,

V.T. Eric Layton
***Tempus Fugits***
vtel57@softhome.net
48 posted on 11/25/2002 6:33:18 PM PST by vtel57
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To: vtel57
You probably should consider that Terri Schiavo still has some brain stem left. That'd allow her heart to keep beating, her to keep breathing, probably not allow her to swallow or to make anything but involuntary movements.
49 posted on 11/25/2002 7:47:47 PM PST by Catspaw
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Ping for prayers
50 posted on 11/25/2002 7:50:02 PM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK
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