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Vote on the New World Trade Center Design
http://www.wtc2002.com ^ | December 1, 2002 | Derek G. Turner

Posted on 12/01/2002 7:17:00 AM PST by Momaw Nadon

Special News Update: Sunday December 1st

I have been promising my supporters from around the globe two new WTC2002 design concepts, and I'm delighted to say the wait is over...

Explore the WTC2002 website for a closer look at WTC2002 Concept #2 and WTC2002 Concept #3.

And please, take the a moment to vote for your favourite in the 'Your Voice' section. Your voices will be heard.

I thank you again for your continued support. WTC2002 grows in strength every day because of you, and LMDC, we are ready for whatever you throw at us, WE WILL PREVAIL!

Do reflect on Mathew C5 v14 "You [New York] are the light of the world. A City built on a hill cannot be hid"

Be well my friends.

Derek G. Turner


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Technical; US: New York; Unclassified
KEYWORDS: baddesign; concept; design; freep; memorial; pieinthesky; poll; uglyass; vote; worldtradecenter; wtc; wtc2002
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I voted for WTC Concept #2
1 posted on 12/01/2002 7:17:01 AM PST by Momaw Nadon
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To: Momaw Nadon
WTC Concept #3 was just as high as WTC Concept #2, but WTC Concept #3 had a dome on top, which I felt was too reminiscient of a Muslim mosque.

So, that's why I voted for WTC Concept #2.

2 posted on 12/01/2002 7:21:32 AM PST by Momaw Nadon
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To: Momaw Nadon
Dig an 1100-foot hole in the ground and build them upside down.

If they are built, don't forget the tastefully-camouflaged anti-aircraft batteries, or the giant "KICK ME" signs.

And who will insure them? At what rate?

Who will lease space in them?

Who will voluntarily work in say, the 100th floor?

Will all window offices have parachutes?

They will be seen as a challenge, and the challenge will be accepted. Only next time, the terrorists will use a small nuke to bring them down.

FIRST kill all the terrorists; THEN start designing the replacements.

--Boris

3 posted on 12/01/2002 7:33:18 AM PST by boris
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To: Momaw Nadon
I lean to Two too.
4 posted on 12/01/2002 7:34:13 AM PST by IronJack
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To: boris
I sympathize with some of your concerns.

Which of the three design concepts offered on the WTC2002 website is your favorite?

5 posted on 12/01/2002 7:36:25 AM PST by Momaw Nadon
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To: boris
I am for the 2000 ft. tower and I have an answer on 'who would live ther'.

The top floors are to be assigned to the following gov't agencies: INS, the new Office for Homeland Security, the CIA, the FBI, the IRS, the New York Mayor's office, New York State's gov'nor office.

6 posted on 12/01/2002 7:46:30 AM PST by A Vast RightWing Conspirator
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I wish www.wtc2002.com had included this as design Concept #4


7 posted on 12/01/2002 7:56:13 AM PST by Momaw Nadon
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To: Momaw Nadon
Sorry. I like neither design. (Too massive)

Just put it back, exactly as it was.

8 posted on 12/01/2002 8:02:34 AM PST by Utopia
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To: Momaw Nadon
None of the above.
9 posted on 12/01/2002 8:06:31 AM PST by boris
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10 posted on 12/01/2002 8:08:00 AM PST by Momaw Nadon
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To: Momaw Nadon
Anything Less Is Suicide
Why We Must Build Bigger and Better on the World Trade Center Site

By Sherri R. Tracinski

As both an architect and architectural historian—that is, as someone who cares about buildings nearly as much as I care about my friends and family—I felt like I lost an old friend on September 11 when the towers of the World Trade Center crumbled to the ground. While the nation mourned the thousands of people who died that day, I also mourned for the two buildings that died that day.

I could not write about rebuilding the towers until the site was completely cleared; one would never discuss settling the estate until after the funeral. But now that the Port Authority has announced its diminutive plans for the WTC site—none of the proposals calls for a tower at anything near the original height of the twin towers—I must shout to every American: "Don't do it, it doesn't have to end this way." It is the same cry you would shout to stop a suicide.

Anything less than a new tower at the same height—or higher—is demonstrating to those who hate us that we intend to cut back, roll over, and give up. It is not the quick, violent suicide of putting a gun to your head, but the slow suicide of a man who has given up trying to live.

Throughout history, many great buildings have been damaged and destroyed in war. What a society does to rebuild afterward is an omen for its future survival.

Twenty-five hundred years ago, a marauding Persian army sacked the Greek city of Athens and burned the Parthenon, the city's most important temple. What did the ancient Athenians do? They didn't decide they should make a smaller temple so that it would be less of a target in the future. They didn't decide that they were guilty of offending the enemy with their wealth and success. They didn't leave a barren plateau to commemorate the men who died fighting the Persians. Instead, after they roundly defeated the enemy, they rebuilt bigger and better. The old Parthenon had been built of limestone. The new Parthenon was built of the finest material the Athenians could find—white marble—and decorated with inspiring sculptures of heroes. It was the greatest Greek temple ever built and marked the beginning of the Athenian Golden Age.

Or consider America's history. During the war of 1812, when the British burned the Presidential Mansion, what did we do? We rebuilt the mansion, repainted the charred exterior, and called it the White House.

In the 1850s, when a fire burned the Capitol building, plans were made to rebuild it, but soon the country was split apart by the Civil War. Yet it was during the war, with limited funds and limited workers, that the Capitol was rebuilt and enlarged using the latest modern materials. During a conflict that threatened to rip the nation in two, the rebuilding of the Capitol demonstrated Lincoln's confidence that we would succeed in preserving the Union.

Today, however, America's reaction is increasingly one of passivity and resignation. We flounder in a half-hearted war because we're afraid we might suffer casualties—or worse, we're afraid we might inflict them on the enemy. We plead with our allies and our enemies for permission to invade Iraq. And when the World Trade Center site is cleared, we propose a half-hearted building campaign. We accept a slow suicide.

Yes, the new World Trade Center site should include a memorial to the American civilians who were killed in this war. The 16-acre site has plenty of room to accommodate such a memorial. But the demands to make the whole site into a giant mausoleum are perverse.

Some say that the WTC site is sacred ground. But in my view, all of Manhattan is sacred ground—not because people died there, but because its bridges and skyscrapers are monuments to human life. They are monuments to the human aspiration to build and to create. This is what was attacked on September 11: our wealth, our success, the global reach of our commerce and culture. The best way to commemorate those achievements is through a new skyscraper, bigger, better, and more beautiful than the ones we have lost.

This would be our declaration that we, the American people, have chosen to keep building—that we have chosen, not to give up, but to go on to even greater heights.

Anything less would be suicide.

Sherri R. Tracinski, an architect and architectural historian based in Virginia, is a writer for the Ayn Rand Institute in Irvine, Calif. The Institute promotes the philosophy of Ayn Rand, author of Atlas Shrugged and The Fountainhead.

11 posted on 12/01/2002 8:15:01 AM PST by RJCogburn
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To: IronJack
Here are more pics of WTC Design concept #2


12 posted on 12/01/2002 8:15:57 AM PST by Momaw Nadon
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To: Momaw Nadon
I do not have a favorite....just so it is big and bold.
13 posted on 12/01/2002 8:21:06 AM PST by RJCogburn
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To: Momaw Nadon
BTTT
14 posted on 12/01/2002 8:28:35 AM PST by Salvation
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To: Momaw Nadon
These are all truly awful. Let me use my professional architectural background to trash these with just a sampling of descriptions that come to mind. Gargantuan, massive, inhuman, scaleless, ugly, graceless, impractical, and downright bad design for far too many reasons to list.

Massive poorly scaled cylindrical towers like this are highly unattractive and they will cast huge huge shadows. The site will be completely overwhelmed. The atrium at the bottom will be little more than a bad leftover atrium space, hardly a pleasant public space nor fitting to the site. Most of the time it will be in shadow. 1/4 of each external tower faces into another tower creating unlit unpleasant views.The center tower has virtually zero views and would seem to me to be unrentable.

The base of the building is completely isolated from the neighborhood evoking the fatal deslolate flaws of the origninal WTC complex.

NYC is a city famous for its skyline and the decorative crowns that top off its most beautful buildings. The tops of thes buildings are afterthoughts lacking finesse nor purpose.They offer nothing to the city.

Economically this is an abortion. Anyone with even the remotest sense of mixed use devolopment understands that you stack commercial space at the base, hotel functions above that, and residential to crown it. That formula is the most effective usage for massive developments, In this case a memorial at the crown would seem appropriate as well.

This guy should leave the designing to the pros before he hurts himself. The new age music does not help. Very shortly a group of proposals from some of the worlds best architects is to be released.
15 posted on 12/01/2002 8:44:59 AM PST by finnman69
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To: Momaw Nadon
I vote for Concept #4. Btw, I looked on the web site link but could not find this one. Why wasn't it there?
16 posted on 12/01/2002 8:51:20 AM PST by BJungNan
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To: finnman69
Very shortly a group of proposals from some of the worlds best architects is to be released.

Will these proposals be as tall as the ones offered at www.wtc2002.com?

17 posted on 12/01/2002 8:51:52 AM PST by Momaw Nadon
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To: finnman69
Gargantuan, massive, inhuman, scaleless, ugly, graceless...

All qualities attributed to the original.

18 posted on 12/01/2002 8:53:06 AM PST by js1138
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To: Momaw Nadon
Can someone please post the different design concepts. The site link is running flash and my computer don't. Can get it to open. Much appreciated.
20 posted on 12/01/2002 8:58:43 AM PST by BJungNan
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