U.S. departing the First World?

Washington Times ^ | Thursday, January 23, 2003 | Paul Craig Roberts

[DoctorMichael]

Bump THAT!

[biffalobull]

The US is the most powerful nation in the world and the wealthiest

xm. Correct me if I'm wrong. Is it true or not, that the US was the wealthiest nation in the world, and the largest creditor.

I understand that the US is now the largest debtor nation in the world.

What do you think?

[Poohbah]

Is it true or not, that the US was the wealthiest nation in the world, and the largest creditor.

Still the wealthiest by a wide margin.

I understand that the US is now the largest debtor nation in the world.

Who's the biggest creditor, then?

[biffalobull]

Who's the biggest creditor, then?

Dunno, but I understand it is not the US.

[hchutch]

Entitlement mentality from the paleo-cons. The only difference is WHO Paul Craig Roberts wants to redistribute the income to.

[RLK]

I never thought I'd hear a "conservative" say that anyone was entitled to anything except through their own efforts. Now I discover that Americans are actually entitled to "a standard of living."

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No straw men, please. This is not about a right to a standard of living. It's about what will happen if the economy is destroyed.

[xm177e2]

I don't rightly know. We did mostly whip the debt during the Clinton years. Of course, that is because the GOP congress forced it, but why are they AWOL now? Now we are getting our debt back. It seems Republican legislators like big gov't so long as they get to write the checks.

[Poohbah]

No straw men, please. This is not about a right to a standard of living.

Sorry, that was the point you argued--it is most assuredly NOT a strawman.

[Poohbah]

I looked it up.

Japan is the largest creditor.

Fat lot of good it did 'em, eh?

[dennisw]

I've then called the INS, who've raided several of the places and arrested dozens of illegals.............

GOOD GOING!

[dufekin]

"The Immigration and Naturalization Service refuses to deport alien criminals and issues visas to terrorists who wish to blow us up."

Forget about controlling the borders. Can we just fix this? When we will have ended this racket, we will have come a long way. And pass legislation under the "uniform rule of naturalization" clause that requires state and local courts to verify the citizenship of all persons convicted of felonies or high misdemeanors (New Jersey). Then deport all noncitizen criminals, and ban them from returning to America for life.

[Imagine]

(COPY AND DISTRIBUTE WIDELY: start a movement, print a petition, start a political party, confront your legislators, write letters, post posters, drop leaflets, demand, demand, demand.)

ACTION PLAN: Border Violators

1) Close all US borders to illegal entry forthwith by any and all means possible, including military presence.

2) Maintain legitimate immigration levels at modest annual level with requirements that immigrants be employable or sufficiently wealthy for self-support if they do not intend to work, proficient in basic English and willing to be assimilated into American culture and language. All applicants shall provide prints, photos and DNA samples.

3) Legal immigration shall be awarded to individuals on a lottery basis, wherein all countries are given equal status in the immigration lottery, without regards to color or economic plight of originating nation.

4) Those from Muslim countries, or individuals of Islamic faith from any country, shall be denied immigration privileges to the US.

5) Detain all border violators, taking photos, prints and DNA samples of said violator while at the same time, checking for out standing warrants. If no warrants are outstanding, return border violators to home country within 20 days via commercial airline and submit cost of such action, including processing and housing costs for said violator, to country of origin. If costs are not paid within 30 days, reduce any and all aid to said country by a like amount.

6) Should any country from which a border violator originates not currently receive any aid from the US, the Justice Department shall be authorized to seize or secure liens on assets owned, managed or registered to that country to the full extent of the obligation.

7) Establish new Guest Worker Visa (GWV) category, renewable every 6 months, for unskilled labor positions wherein all applicants shall provide prints, photos and DNA samples. Work permitted of such applicants shall be limited to one of several categories, including childcare, lawn/gardening, restaurant staff, cleaning and the like. Families of GWV workers are not permitted to enter US, nor will the birth of a child to one of GWV status confer citizenship to either parent or child.

8) Any violation of civil or criminal laws shall result in the forfeiture of the GWV and immediate return to originating country.

9) GWV holders shall be prohibited from claiming unemployment benefits, welfare support or free medical service.

10) The originating country of all GWV holders shall be responsible for any uninsured loss caused by the GWV, including emergency medical claims and/or claims resulting from illegal actions committed while in the US.

11) Companies who hire GWV holders shall submit to the Immigration Dept the name and GWV number of that individual, along with a description of employment tasks. Companies shall be subject to fines and penalty that fail to report employment of GWV workers, or hire border violators. GWV workers shall be paid with check, having income tax withheld. GWV workers shall not be subject to unemployment tax because they are not eligible to receive unemployment compensation.

12) Border violators, or any non-citizen not possessing a valid visa, detained by local police for any reason shall be turned over to border control officials for immediate deportation action, except if they face criminal charges in other jurisdictions.

13) GWV workers shall be prohibited for voting in local, state and federal elections.

14) Border Violators shall NOT be afforded the rights enjoyed by American citizens, as guaranteed under the constitution.

15) Public education (at institutions supported by taxpayer dollars) at any level (pre-school, kindergarten through the university level,) shall NOT be available to Border Violators (or children of Border Violators) and schools that enroll such individuals shall be subject to penalties.

16) Foreign Students (F/S) (individuals admitted to the U.S. for the purpose of attending any educational facility,) private institution or public (i.e. supported by taxpayer dollars,) must have valid student visas, such visas being in force only if the FS attends full-time school. Foreign students shall be required to pay tuition, housing and related costs such that all their educational costs are fully reimbursed to the institution attended. The originating country shall pay for any and all loss caused by students while on U.S. soil.

17) Border Violators seeking emergency medical treatment shall provide pictures, fingerprints and DNA samples along with country of origin, and shall be incarcerated until information provided can be verified. Originating country shall bear the costs of medical treatment.

18) Children born in the U.S. to border violators, illegal aliens or of foreign nationals in the U.S. for any reason, including temporary visitor, school or work visas, shall not be eligible for citizenship as a circumstance of birth, nor shall the parents of said children or persons related to the parents of said children be conferred U.S. citizenship as a result of such birth.

[Cronos]

Correct. we've got too many Bush-hating 'rats coming up with 'rat propaganda. God bless the President.

[dirtboy]

We'd be implementing the Kyoto Treaty on Global Warming, thus driving away even MORE jobs.

I'm tired of this spin. Gore could have NEVER implemented Kyoto - the Senate passed a resolution 95-0 that any global warming treaty containing certain provisions that were in Kyoto would never be ratified.

[Texas Lizard]

You are so Right On! There is no doubt that the Power and the Glory of the once great United States of America has long passed. What is left is nothing but a rudderless ship.

[dirtboy]

Welcome to FR. Thank you for following the law and hiring legal workers.

Used to live close to your neck of the woods, over by Pine Grove Furnace State Park. Saw firsthand how much the local fruit growers in Adams County relied upon illegal labor, as wages were stagnating in the area because of the influx of such. But those low wages never seemed to be reflected in the prices charged for that fruit.

[Cronos]

Right on! Now that was one of the best replies to the 'rat whiners I've heard!

[FITZ]

Still the wealthiest by a wide margin.

And Mexico is one of the world's wealthiest countries also but that doesn't mean it's not third world. Third world countries have the very rich ---and they can have a sizeable number of very rich, but in third world countries, the majority of people are barely making it. In this part of the US, only a third of the people now have private insurance and welfare rates are about 40%, one third the salaries are exactly minimum wage and only one out of three makes over $10 an hour ---it seems pretty close to being a third world country.

[ought-six]

Mexifornia is already a third-world country.