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Odds against Earth-like planets
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/2701977.stm ^ | January 28, 2003 | Dr David Whitehouse

Posted on 01/28/2003 11:50:07 AM PST by conservativecorner

Earth-like worlds circling stars in orbital zones suitable for life may be few and far between in the cosmos, according to new research. In the first comprehensive study of extrasolar planetary systems, astronomers have shown that in most of them it would not be possible to keep an Earth-like world in orbit around a star so that it was neither too hot nor too cold for life.

In general, other planetary systems fall into two types: those with Jupiter-like worlds circling close to their parent star, and those with more distant Jupiters in elliptical orbits.

In both systems, maintaining an Earth-like world in a temperate orbit is difficult, although not in all cases impossible.

"This work shows us just how unusual our own Solar System is when compared with the other planetary systems," Dr Kristen Menou of Princeton University, US, told BBC News Online.

Habitable zone

Eighty-five planetary systems were studied, all that were known when the research was carried out.

Dr Menou said: "They fall into two categories: large planets circling very close to their sun - the so-called 'hot Jupiters', and systems with Jupiter-like planets in distant non-circular orbits."

Dr Menou, along with Dr Serge Tabachnik, created computer dynamical models of the known exoplanetary systems to see if it was possible for Earth-like worlds to exist for long periods in the so-called habitable zone.

This work shows us just how unusual our own Solar System is when compared to the other planetary systems

Dr Kristen Menou, Princeton University

This zone is the region around a star in which a planet would be able to sustain liquid water, being neither too close to the star for it all to be vaporised, nor too distant that it all freezes.

In our Solar System, the Earth is in the middle of the habitable zone. Astronomers believe such a position is essential for life to develop and thrive.

But it seems difficult for worlds to stay in the habitable zone in the majority of the extrasolar planetary systems found so far.

"We found that in the systems with the distant Jupiters, these worlds can disrupt the orbit of any Earth-like world in the habitable zone," says Dr Menou.

"Any Earth-like world in the temperate zone would either crash on to its parent star or be slung out into interstellar space," he added.

Over half of the planetary systems studied had distant Jupiters making them unlikely to contain habitable Earth-like worlds.

"We have identified some systems where distant Jupiters would pull Earth-like worlds into elliptical orbits that keep them inside the habitable zone. Such worlds would have dramatic and extreme seasons. We don't know how that would affect the development of life."

Cast asunder

The new analysis of the systems containing hot Jupiters shows that Earth-like worlds could remain orbiting in the temperate zone, seemingly an encouraging finding.

"The good news is that in about a quarter of the systems we studied, there could be habitable planets present."

But even in these systems, Earth-like worlds may have been cast asunder.

Current models of the evolution of planetary systems have hot-Jupiters reaching their tight orbits by migrating inwards from more distant ones.

This means that as they slowly travelled sunwards, they would have scattered any smaller worlds that got in their way, suggesting that there could be no Earth-like worlds in hot Jupiter systems at all.

"The way we are trying to get out of this pessimistic position," says Dr Menou, "is by seeing if Earth-like worlds could form in a planetary system after the inward migration of Jupiter worlds."

The research is to be published in a forthcoming edition of the Astrophysical Journal.


TOPICS: Philosophy
KEYWORDS: astronomy; crevolist; donaldbrownlee; junkscience; peterward; rareearth; rareearthnonsense; space; xplanets
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To: Mr. K
but getting them into an orbit - out of the infinite number of places they could go is astounding

I agree. It might take a couple of billion years. <:-p

21 posted on 01/28/2003 12:46:40 PM PST by glorgau
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To: conservativecorner
In our solar system we have two planets that to an observer light years away might contain life as we know it, Earth and Mars. If our rather ordinary star and solar system has two, I think that with billions of star systems out there, there have to be thousands of planets with temperate stable orbits around stars with the right characteristics for life as we define it. Of course there may be other forms that could exist even in Jovian environments. Maybe the star systems themselves are a life form?
22 posted on 01/28/2003 12:46:44 PM PST by JeanLM
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To: Mr. K
The Earth's orbit does oscilate between a circle and an ellipse (OK, a lesser and greater elongated ellpise) about every 105,000 years.
23 posted on 01/28/2003 1:15:52 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Hope is a good breakfast, but it is a bad supper. - Francis Bacon)
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To: RightWhale
Yes, the Trekkies don't like to even think about it, but most of the stars in the Milky Way can be eliminated from consideration as advanced life bearing systems, because they happen to be in either the core or one of the arms of the galaxy, where the frequency of super novae or interactions with other stars, would extinguish any life. Even if a star resides between a pair of arms it has to be a certain distance from the center of the galaxy or it will eventually drift into one or the other arms. This leave only a small percentage of the stars in the Milky Way that could potentially evolve advanced life forms.
24 posted on 01/28/2003 1:16:38 PM PST by Pres Raygun
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To: chilepepper
there are MANY planets out there that will support life

Billions. They have to be rocky planets, otherwise it is unimportant whether they have a main sequence sun or any sun at all. But if you are seeking lifeforms of our level, complex animal/plant lifeforms, pickings are slim to none. Odds are there isn't another earthlike planet in this galaxy, nor in the visible universe out to 14 billion lightyears.

25 posted on 01/28/2003 1:37:56 PM PST by RightWhale
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To: conservativecorner

26 posted on 01/28/2003 1:48:52 PM PST by rightwingreligiousfanatic (We feebly translate....they in glory shine....)
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To: RightWhale
Do you think programs like SETI are a waste of time and resources?
27 posted on 01/28/2003 1:53:50 PM PST by Burkeman1
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To: Burkeman1
Do you think programs like SETI are a waste of time and resources?

No, not at all. Putting resources into basic research is a necessity, even though no specific results are expected: we learn more about our world and we improve our tools. Who knows how the new knowledge and better tools will be used? The applications can't be known in advance of the advances.

28 posted on 01/28/2003 2:00:37 PM PST by RightWhale
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To: conservativecorner
If you want more information on this topic, read anything by Dr. Hugh Ross. A Christian with a background in astrophysics. Basically, the odds of all known required conditions for life to exist coming together at random render the chance of life existing elsewhere in the universe virtually at zero. That doesn't eliminate the possibilty of God creating life elswhere.
29 posted on 01/28/2003 2:11:46 PM PST by gjbevil
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To: conservativecorner
This article fails to point out all the other requirements to allow a water-based form of life to develop on a planet.

1) The host star must be absolutely stable for a billion years or so, stable to within a couple of % of nominal, with no excursions.

2) The planet must orbit in the narrow corridor of energy transfer from the star so that the water averages as a liquid.

3) The planet's orbit must be at a sufficient distance so that the solar wind does not blow away the gaseous atmosphere.

4) The planet must have sufficient gravity to keep the atmosphere from drifting off into space.

5) The planet must have water in the first place.

6) The planet must not have a highly eccentric orbit that at anytime would put it outside the corridor (i.e. the more circular the better).

7) The planet must be realtively stable during the same time that the host star is stable.

8) The atmosphere must be balanced in both composition and density to the gravity of the planet so that water can exist in liquid form.

There are a few more, but the idea is that we live on a precarious edge on this planet. We are balanced in every way possible. However, their are no known factors on this planet that could affect that balance. Anything that upsets that balance will come from space, in the form of an asteroid or the Sun having a violent convulsion.

The Sun is expected to swallow up this planet in about 5 billion years as it enters the Red Giant phase of life. It will subsequently convulse, and spew the major portion of its mass into space.
30 posted on 01/28/2003 2:44:52 PM PST by HighWheeler
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To: HighWheeler
Er, #2 and #3 on your list are essentially counting the same requirement twice (if it's far enough out to prevent the water from boiling off, it's far enough out to prevent the entire atmosphere from being blown off).
31 posted on 01/28/2003 2:53:12 PM PST by steve-b
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To: balrog666; Condorman; *crevo_list; donh; general_re; Gumlegs; jennyp; longshadow; Nebullis; ...
I wonder what ol' Ted would say about this ...
32 posted on 01/28/2003 2:54:50 PM PST by Junior (Put tag line here =>)
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To: Mr. K
Planets weren't put into orbit, they formed there from the disk of debris surrounding the nascent star. The disk is already spinning nearly circular, hence the planetary orbits would be nearly circular.
33 posted on 01/28/2003 2:56:09 PM PST by Junior (Put tag line here =>)
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To: steve-b
These are two different requirments that depend on the ratio of energy transfer rate to solar wind bulk density and velocity. There are many combinations that would not work, and each must be satified independently.
34 posted on 01/28/2003 2:56:32 PM PST by HighWheeler
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To: HighWheeler
Are #2 and #6 almost the same criterion?

Also, would tides--such as provided by a large secondary [moon]--be necessary for complex forms of life to arise?

35 posted on 01/28/2003 3:05:47 PM PST by RightWhale
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To: HighWheeler
Most people are to narrow-minded when it comes to the conditions that life can be sustained. Below are a couple of examples of the harsh conditions it can survive and maybe develope over millions or billions of years.

D. radiodurans can endure 1.5 million rads of radiation, a dose 3000 times higher than would kill organisms from microbes to humans.

Superthermophilic microorganisms inhabit pressurized environments beneath deep-sea hydrothermal vents. These super-organisms not only exist, but thrive at temperatures up to and possibly beyond 150o Centigrade (more than 300o Fahrenheit), setting a new limit at which life can exist.

They're the archaea, an ancient branch of microbial life on Earth discovered by scientists in 1977. Unlike the better known bacteria and eukaryotes (plants and animals), many of the archaea can thrive in extreme environments like volcanic vents and acidic hot springs. They can live without sunlight or organic carbon as food, and instead survive on sulfur, hydrogen, and other materials that normal organisms can't metabolize.

Other bacteria live attached to the siliceous walls of the spring basins, where they are difficult to see, but they can be made visible by a simple trick. If microscope slides are immersed in the boiling water, they serve as surfaces for bacterial colonization.

50-100 organisms survived launch, space vacuum, 3 years of radiation exposure, deep-freeze at an average temperature of only 20 degrees above absolute zero, and no nutrient, water or energy source. (The United States landed 5 Surveyors on the Moon; Surveyor 3 was the only one of the Surveyors visited by any of the six Apollo landings. No other life forms were found in soil samples retrieved by the Apollo missions or by two Soviet unmanned sampling missions, although amino acids - not necessarily of biological origin - were found in soil retrieved by the Apollo astronauts.)

In conclusion, I truely believe life will be found everywhere we look for it.




36 posted on 01/28/2003 3:11:37 PM PST by BushCountry
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To: RightWhale
They are close but the difference would be the passage of time. If the planet went outside the corridor for a short duration each orbit, and the corridor for that planet was relatively wide, a small amount of water could be lost on each excursion, but if the quantity of water was large enough, and it could sustain a billion orbits, there could be an opportunity to have life evolve. So the more circular the better the opportuity.

These are also minimum requirements.

Water has a realtively narrow range of temperature between vapor and solid compared to almost any other substance, So the corridor is going to be pretty narrow for most planets.
37 posted on 01/28/2003 3:18:05 PM PST by HighWheeler
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To: Mr. K
I think it is a miracle in itself that planets sustain (nearly) circular orbits- do you have any cluse how little it would take to knock them out of the precise balance of mass/speed that puts it into orbit? (circular OR otherwise)

Considering the mass of even a small planet, LOTS of energy would be required. We couldn't do it with our own Earth if we tried.

38 posted on 01/28/2003 3:19:22 PM PST by Magnum44 (been there, done that, got the t-shirt)
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To: Pres Raygun
What the article doesn't state though is that planetary systems without Jupiter like outer planets cannot support advanced life either, because the large Jupiter like gas giants are required to keep catastrophic meteors from impacting any life bearing planets in the habital zone.

Huh? What space science book did you get this from? I disagree with your statement, though as shoemaker-levy showed us, an outer planet can capture an occasional comet/asteroid.

39 posted on 01/28/2003 3:23:17 PM PST by Magnum44 (been there, done that, got the t-shirt)
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To: Junior
I wonder what ol' Ted would say about this ...

Wait....

40 posted on 01/28/2003 3:23:38 PM PST by general_re (The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, but that's the way to bet.)
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