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What is Fascism?
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Posted on 01/30/2003 7:00:27 PM PST by John Lenin

What is
Fascism?

This may surprise most educated people. One of the more common government strategies today, especially in developing regions is fascism. Fascism is commonly confused with Nazism.  Nazism is a political party platform that embraces a combination of a military dictatorship, socialism and fascism.  It is not a government structure. Fascism is a government structure.

More than a class system, fascism specifically targets, dehumanizes and aims to destroy those it deems undesirable.


The most notable characteristic of a fascist country is the separation and persecution or denial of equality to a specific segment of the population based upon superficial qualities or belief systems. 

Simply stated, a fascist government always has one class of citizens that is considered superior (good) to another (bad) based upon race, creed or origin.  It is possible to be both a republic and a fascist state. The preferred class lives in a republic while the oppressed class lives in a fascist state.  Until the Civil Rights act of 1964, many parts of the US were Republic for whites and Fascist for non-Caucasian residents. Fascism promotes legal segregation in housing, national resource allocation and employment. It provides legal justification for persecuting a specific segment of the population and operates behind a two tiered legal system. One segment of society is always considered less desirable, sub-human or second class.

(Note: no single government is pure anything.  Most have elements of several structures with one dominant structure).  Below is the political definition and general characteristics of a fascist country. TOP


1. Fascism is commonly defined as an open terror-based dictatorship which is:

  • Reactionary: makes policy based upon current circumstances rather than creating policies to prevent problems; piles lies and misnomers on top of more lies until the truth becomes indistinguishable, revised or forgotten.
  • Chauvinistic: Two or more tiered legal systems, varying rights based upon superficial characteristics such as race, creed and origin.
  • Imperialist elements of finance capital: Extending a nation's authority by territorial acquisition or by the establishment of economic and political domination of one state over its allies.

Though a dictatorship is the most common association with fascism, a democracy or republic can also be fascist.

2. Fascism is an extreme measure taken by the bourgeoisie to forestall proletarian revolution; it thrives on the weakness of the bourgeoisie itself. It accomplishes this by embracing the middle-classes love of the status-quo, its complacency and its fears of: TOP

  1. Generating a united struggle within the working class

  2. Revolution

  3. Losing its own power and position within society

The 7 conditions
that foster and fuel fascism are:

  1. Instability of capitalist relationships or markets

  2. The existence of considerable declassed social elements

  3. The stripping of rights and wealth focused upon a specific segment of the population, specifically the middle class and intellectuals within urban areas as this the group with the means, intelligence and ability to stop fascism if given the opportunity.

  4. Discontent among the rural lower middle class (clerks, secretaries, white collar labor). Consistent discontent among the general middle and lower middle classes against the oppressing upper-classes (haves vs have-nots).

  5. Hate: Pronounced, perpetuated and accepted public disdain of a specific group defined by race, origin, theology or association.

  6. Greed: The motivator of fascism which is generally associated with land, space or scarce resources in the possession of those being oppressed.

  7. Organized Propaganda: The creation of social mythology that venerates (creates saints of) one element of society while concurrently vilifying (dehumanizing) another element of the population through misinformation, misdirection and the obscuring of factual matter through removal, destruction or social humiliation, (name-calling, false accusations, belittling and threats). b) The squelching of public debate not agreeing with the popular agenda via slander, libel, threats, theft, destruction, historical revisionism and social humiliation

3. Fascism concentrates each imperialist bloc (business and government sectors) into a single economic unit while concurrently increasing in-fighting and distrust between the units fostering advancement towards war. TOP

4. Fascism promotes chauvinist demagogy, junk science and obscuratinism. Fascism combines Marxist critiques of capitalism and bourgeois definitions of democracy to force its issues, confuse logic and create majority consensus between targeted groups. 

5. Both Bourgeois Democracy and Fascism are class dictatorships that use organized violence to maintain the class rule of the oppressors over the oppressed. The difference between the two is demonstrated by the policies towards non-proletarian classes.  Fascism attains power through the substitution of one state form of class domination by another form, generally bourgeois democracy segues into an open terrorist dictatorship.

Definitions


Proletarian (adj):
1 the lowest class of citizens of ancient Rome who had no property
2: belonging to or characteristic of the proletariat (n) : a member of the working class (not necessarily employed); "workers of the world--unite!" TOP

Bourgeoisie (n): the social class between the lower and upper classes: Middle Class TOP

Imperialism  (n): The policy of extending a nation's authority by territorial acquisition or by the establishment of economic and political domination of one state over its allies and over other nations. 2: The system, policies, or practices of such a government. TOP

Demagogy (n): Impassioned appeals to the prejudices and emotions of the populace TOP

Obscurantism (n):

  1. The principles or practice of delivering vague truths and hiding key facts.
  2. A policy of withholding information from the public.
  3. The act of lying through selective omission TOP

Tyranny (n):

  1. A form of government in which the ruler is an absolute dictator and is not restricted by a constitution, laws or opposition etc.
  2. Dominance over a populous through threat of punishment, terrorism, oppression and violence  TOP

Autocracy (n):

  1. Government by a single person having unlimited power; tyranny, dictator.
  2. A country or state that is governed by a single person with unlimited power. TOP



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To: marron
But there are left-wing forms of socialism that stress nationalism, such as North Korea's "Juche" ("self-reliance")
21 posted on 01/30/2003 8:26:46 PM PST by xm177e2 (smile) :-)
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To: xm177e2
But there are left-wing forms of socialism that stress nationalism, such as North Korea's "Juche" ("self-reliance")

Stalinism, as I mentioned, used left-wing ideology to achieve a right-wing result, whether intentionally or not.

Which means that the Soviet and NK communism might better be described as fascism. The best example of truly internationalist socialism is the EU. It is not so extreme as to feel the need to shoot anybody, but ideologically, it fits.

22 posted on 01/30/2003 8:36:54 PM PST by marron
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To: John Lenin
Socialism = the state owns the means of production (example: the People's Republic of China).

Fascism (corporatism) = the means of production are privately owned but highly regulated by the state (example: the United States of America).

Regards

J.R.

23 posted on 01/30/2003 8:43:57 PM PST by NMC EXP
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To: Dr. Frank
You noticed many of the things I noticed about the definitions of fascism presented here. For "facist governments" we have as examples Mussolini's Italy and Spain's Falangist government under Francisco Franco. Neither government had a class of peoplepersecuted based upon a superficial characteristic. Borh employed socialist systems of governmentwith private ownership of the means of production. The classic definition of fascism is a totalitarian socialist state where the ownership of private property is allowed with state control of that property.
24 posted on 01/30/2003 9:00:02 PM PST by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: John Lenin
This is a load of crap ..... simple definitions.

Capitalism : Private property is respected, free market economy

Communism : No private property (government owns the means of production), command economy.

Fascism: Private property with ultimate control residing in the government (rules and regulations) (illusion of ownership). Market is free, but limited by government regulations .

America boiled down is moving towards fascism. 'Communist' China is actually moving towards fascism as well.

25 posted on 01/30/2003 9:04:05 PM PST by Centurion2000 (The meek shall inherit the Earth. The stars belong to the bold.)
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To: marron
The "left" and "right", actually, are a little deceptive, as the classic left-wing example was Stalin and the other Soviets, who promoted internationalist socialism, but this version always led back to Soviet control, which is to say, they used left-wing ideology to achieve a right-wing result.

As with anything the government gets involved with the most extreme thing that can happen from an idea will eventually happen. Thats why we have to fight the socialist movement but socialism turns into communism every time.
26 posted on 01/30/2003 9:07:21 PM PST by John Lenin (Just when I thought I was out, they pulled me back in !)
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To: MattinNJ; HighRoadToChina; weikel; DAnconia55
FYI
27 posted on 01/30/2003 9:09:09 PM PST by Sparta (Statism is a mental illness)
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To: Centurion2000
I would say that China is already fully fascist. The big question now is whether or not their current "economic miracle" is sustainable under such a system. Cracks are appearing in the Hunan province, where Mao started out.
28 posted on 01/30/2003 9:10:04 PM PST by Billy_bob_bob ("He who will not reason is a bigot;He who cannot is a fool;He who dares not is a slave." W. Drummond)
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To: x
Correct.

more info here

Fascism essentially is the goverment support of one group at the expense of another. Private property, controlled by the state. You use the property for government ends, you keep it. You don't you lose it.

Amerika is in the process of creating our own brand of Fascism today.

29 posted on 01/30/2003 9:14:54 PM PST by DAnconia55
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To: xm177e2
The economic/industrial description does not fit America, but we do come superficially close to matching the ideological component. We do like having a strong leader, and we do celebrate our military victories, and we do place a very high social value on military service. We like having a strong military, we believe it is very important to our nation.

Convenient for you to ignore all federal workplace laws. ADA, 'racism' laws, 'AA', 'sexism' laws, EEOC, OSHA, EPA, etc.

Amerika is creating its own brand of fascism.

Perhaps Bush can stop it. I doubt it. And I doubt he'll try.

30 posted on 01/30/2003 9:17:22 PM PST by DAnconia55
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To: Billy_bob_bob
I would say that China is already fully fascist. The big question now is whether or not their current "economic miracle" is sustainable under such a system.

Nope .... if you look at the world in the 1700's and today you'll see something odd.

In the 1700's America was a radical fledgling government.
Today America is one of the OLDEST governments with the oldest unbroken chain of succession of administrations. Freedom and capitalism is why. I don't wory about fascists/communists ever superceding our country. Our country will be eventually superceded by the ideological inheritors of the Constitution. (Probably off-worlders or colonists)

31 posted on 01/30/2003 9:19:35 PM PST by Centurion2000 (The meek shall inherit the Earth. The stars belong to the bold.)
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To: Centurion2000
forgot to add my point :) ....

No communist or fascist state has survived longer than 100 years.

32 posted on 01/30/2003 9:20:19 PM PST by Centurion2000 (The meek shall inherit the Earth. The stars belong to the bold.)
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To: Centurion2000; Sparta
provides legal justification for persecuting a specific segment of the population and operates behind a two tiered legal system.

Sounds like divorce court.

33 posted on 01/30/2003 9:22:20 PM PST by weikel (and other crimes involving men and women etc)
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To: CobaltBlue
I appreciate the fact that you have a definition for the word "fascism"...however the definition I was attempting to share was the one put forth by Mussolini - who is acknowledged as the father of fascism.
34 posted on 01/30/2003 9:24:14 PM PST by The Duke
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To: Centurion2000; Sparta
Hmmmm wouldn't agree there. Imperial Rome was pretty Facist in structure it kept on ticking and survived in a mummified form in the East for 1500 years( 1800 if you count the Holy Roman Empire as a legitimate heir to the Roman Empire in the West, I don't except perhaps for the reign of Charlemagne himself).

Democracies and Republics are what tend to fail. Don't know of any historically besides Switzerland which have gone 200 years without becoming a socialist mob rule statem. The mob gets full franchise rights eventually... the productive people get robbed blind to pay the looters and eventually when Atlas Shrugs a dictator comes to power.

35 posted on 01/30/2003 9:28:25 PM PST by weikel
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To: marron
I agree that the EU has more of the industrial component of fascism (wanting to have government control over industries), but it's very, very far from "fascism." It just doesn't resemble traditional fascism at all.
36 posted on 01/30/2003 9:30:44 PM PST by xm177e2 (smile) :-)
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To: John Lenin
demoRATS = Republicrats
37 posted on 01/30/2003 9:32:23 PM PST by UnBlinkingEye
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To: weikel
Hmmm you have a point there.
38 posted on 01/30/2003 9:40:43 PM PST by Centurion2000 (The meek shall inherit the Earth. The stars belong to the bold.)
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To: Centurion2000
Our country will be eventually superceded by the ideological inheritors of the Constitution. (Probably off-worlders or colonists)

I have the best wishes for your peaceful pronouncement. This is also how I wish future history to go.

Realize, however, that the American Goverment is well aware of how colonies can rebel. And will try to prevent it.

Add to this, if you will, my own pet theory.
Offworld expansion is intentionally being shut down for these very reasons. The tyrant does not want the victim (or his kids) to escape.

There will be no off world colonies supported by the US, until they are willing to do one of two things :

1. Use powerful control paradigms to attempt to prevent colonial revolt. (Implants, threaten family members, etc.)

2. Surrender the Fascist/Socialist state they are creating to a Capitalist/Liberty based colonization program in DIRECT RESPONSE to threats of another nation (China or Russia) colonizing areas of space.

Hopefully, it will be #2 (I doubt it). More likely they'll try #1, and fail

I look forward to the day that inhabitants of the moon can look down on Earth and tell them to FO.

First ship out, I'm on.

39 posted on 01/30/2003 9:42:25 PM PST by DAnconia55
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To: UnBlinkingEye
Republicrats= RINOS
40 posted on 01/30/2003 9:47:29 PM PST by John Lenin (Just when I thought I was out, they pulled me back in !)
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