Posted on 02/07/2003 4:24:38 AM PST by kattracks
CNSNews.com) - Lawyers from a homosexual advocacy group took depositions from a Massachusetts parent this week, almost three years after he first exposed "Fistgate," a state-sponsored workshop in which educators instructed teens in graphic homosexual sex.
The deposition of Brian Camenker, taken Tuesday by lawyers for the Boston-based Gay and Lesbian Advocates and Defenders, is an effort to put parents under financial strain and to discourage others around the country from bringing similar workshops to light, Camenker charged.
"If they are able to be able to beat us in Massachusetts, they can continue to hound any parent who gets in their way," said Camenker, president of the Parents Rights Coalition.
Two Massachusetts Department of Education staffers lost their jobs because of their involvement in the state-funded workshop held at Tufts University in March 2000, called "What They Don't Tell You About Queer Sex and Sexuality in Health Class." The Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network co-sponsored the workshop.
Homosexual advocacy groups have been pursuing lawsuits against Camenker and Scott Whiteman, another parent, for secretly recording, exposing and publicizing the event, in which instructors encouraged children as young as 14 years of age to engage in life-threatening sex acts. One instructor told the students: "Fisting often gets a bad rap."
"Fistgate" soon attracted national prominence. Among others, Sean Hannity discusses the event in his book, Let Freedom Ring, and William Bennett talks about the event in his book, The Broken Hearth . This past week, Alan Keyes made a trip to Boston to speak on behalf of Camenker and Whiteman, as well as rally support for their cause.
Legal defense costs since homosexual advocacy groups first deposed Camenker and Whiteman in the summer of 2000 have reached well over $100,000, Camenker said.
"It has a certain national significance as to what the gays can do to parents who expose the stuff," he added.
The Gay and Lesbian Advocates and Defenders did not return calls for comment.
E-mail a news tip to Lawrence Morahan.
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Umm…NO!!! Did you bump your head again? A clause (things more unsettling than spending a day being grilled by a team of homosexual lawyers) is distinguished from an independent phrase (under oath or being recorded), which is a group of related words that does not contain a subject-verb relationship. Clauses stand by themselves and the phrase can be removed from the sentence without changing its basic meaning.
This is the silliest sophistry I’ve ever seen you do to date, in my minds eye I can see you flailing and vibrating while your wrote this. It appears Ed has gotten to you, take break and call your boss at the HRC for your next talking points…you lost this one.
HE’S complaining about BEING GRILLED BY HOMOSEXUAL LAWYERS!!!
"GLAD is putting the right-wing on notice that they cannot use intimidation tactics to try to stop vitally important sex education information from getting to young people..."
( Documented here )
In reply 240, you stated that you knew "that GLSEN used to receive a consultant fee for managing the DOE's Safe Schools program". The DOE's Safe Schools is a state-wide program with state-wide funding available for the creation of GSA's, as documented on the Massachusetts Department of Education's own web site ( see reply 115 ).
"A "Task Force" oversees the project. GLSEN is not even mentioned until the last paragraph, signifying their MINOR role:"
"In addition to the Massachusetts DOE, the program is supported by the Gay, Lesbian, and Straight Education Network (GLSEN), the Governor's Commission on Gay and Lesbian Youth and other agencies, and is overseen by a task force composed of BPS teachers, guidance counselors, administrators and private partners."
And YOU accuse ME of grasping at straws?! What a bunch of tripe! This describes a local "city-wide" plan. Madg, this is one of the weakest arguements I've ever seen you make.
"Supported" by GLSEN... not "managed," SUPPORTED.
Support - To aid the cause by approving, favoring, or advocating
Advocate - To speak in favor of; Recommend
The word "support" doesn't describe the level of opereational management that GLSEN may have had in the State of Massachusetts' Safe Schools program. The excerpt of the article you posted simply acknowledges that GLSEN was "speaking in favor of" the city's program.
"You will excuse my onetime misuse of the word "manage.""
No, because I believe you actually know much more than you're admitting. You are the one who claims to attend GLSEN conferences and who helps pays the registration fee of kids going to the conference. In reply 110 you stated:
"This "fistgate" hubbub was very local to me and involved several figures with whom I was familiar..."
And in reply 274, you posted:
"That means many new GSA's were created at taxpayer expense."
”Yeah… ain’t it COOL?!”
Just how deep do your ties go?
"It is perfectly clear that GLSEN was nothing more than a consultant to the program.
No, it's not. You've attempted to cloud the issue even more by posting about a local "City-wide" Safe Schools Initiative and implying that, since a notation about GLSEN doesn't appear until the last paragraph, and mentions GLSEN's "support" for this City-wide program, that this somehow proves that GLSEN hasn't managed the "STATE-WIDE" Safe Schools program. What you posted is nothing more than a statement of GLSEN's approval of a local "CITY-WIDE" program.
BTW, thanks for posting this. It provides additional documentation of taxpayer funds and adult intervention (the Mayor and Superintendent, in this case) being used in the "formation or strengthening of GSA's" - ALL at taxpayer expense, of course.
"Of course, what is also perfectly clear is your utter inability to accept facts, instead choosing to seize upon a single word that you could twist to your propaganda-perpetuating agenda, rather than engaging in an intelligent discourse. Your unending propaganda and your repeated insistence on bringing up arguments that have been effectively dismissed have eliminated any possibility of a mature and logical discussion."
Now we're getting somewhere. That's spoken like a true homosexual activist - right out of:
The Overhauling of Straight America
"At a later stage of the media campaign for gay rights -- long after other gay ads have become commonplace -- it will be time to get tough with remaining opponents. To be blunt, they must be vilified. (This will be all the more necessary because, by that time, the entrenched enemy will have quadrupled its output of vitriol and disinformation.) ..."
"Your unending propaganda..."
You mean the documentation that you choose not to deal with by simply "snipping" it out of the reply? Like the documentation that revealed that discussions with similar (and even worse) obscene and harmful content than what we heard on the the Fistgate workshop tape are being introduced in the public school curriculum by teachers who bring in homosexual "guest speakers" to their classes?
"... your utter inability to accept facts... and your repeated insistence on bringing up arguments that have been effectively dismissed..."
Why -- because YOU say the arguments have been dismissed? As long as I accept YOUR "facts," then there's no problem, right? The arguments may have been effectively dismissed in you mind, but that's no surprise.
"Camenker is dangling in the wind and I am loving every second of it."
Well of course you are! So is GLAD ("putting the right-wing on notice that they cannot use intimidation tactics to try to stop vitally important sex education information from getting to young people"). It's what we've come to expect from the homosexual community. You folks really take PRIDE in trying to silence anyone who makes an effort to protect children from perversion such as the Fistgate workshop.
Meaning you will simply close your eyes to the documentation that shows that 1) the material being discussed with children at the GLSEN conference was obscene and harmful, and not educational; and 2) that similar (and worse) material is being discussed with children in public middle and high schools by homosexual activists who are invited as "guest speakers" by teachers.
"for I am finished with this issue."
Actually, Driscoll's professional opinion as an educational professional is very relevant.
YOU are the one who continues to claim the workshop was "educational." Neither YOU nor the ATTORNEY GENERAL, nor the DISTRICT ATTORNEY are experts on educational content. Therefore, neither the AG nor the DA are qualified to determine whether the content of the workshop was educational.
However, Education Commissioner Driscoll, as the highest ranking education official in the state of Massachusetts, based on his hearing the actual discussion between the presenters and the minor children as recorded in the workshop, stated that the workshop was NOT educational. This was clearly pointed out to you in reply numbers 275 and 280.
EDUCATION Commissioner Driscoll determined that the material being DESCRIBED and DEPICTED to MINORS by the workshop presenters was (1) sexually explicit; (2) of prurient nature; (3) not educational; and (4) wrong. As has been pointed out in reply 275, this means that the workshop presenters, acting in a non-public role, have no defense under sections 28 and 29 of M.G.L. Chapter 272 and should be charged for disseminating material that is obscene and harmful to minors. These are serious charges that the DA and AG need to address publicly.
Because of the DISTRICT ATTORNEY's lack of expertise on educational matters, The DA should have sought an expert opinion.
The DISTRICT ATTORNEY chose not to consider an expert opinion and, to our knowledge, has NEVER officially dismissed Whiteman's complaint.
The DISTRICT ATTORNEY, as a public official, has a duty to respond to the complaint and the tax-paying public has a right to know the official ruling on the complaint. So I ask again, can you produce a verifiable public record that clearly shows that the DA has officially dismissed Scott Whiteman's complaint?
Noone, including Driscoll, claims that he has any authority to "bring" charges. And noone claims it's his job to prosecute the case. The question that needs to be asked is "why has both the DA and the AG refused to PUBICLY respond to Whiteman's complaint?" If the complaint is without merit, then let them publicly explain precisely why the complaint is without merit and officially dismiss it.
(I will respond to your other replies later)
Recommendations on the Support and Safety of Gay and Lesbian Students
Gay/Straight Alliances - A Student's Guide
GLSEN's "fingerprints" are all over these documents and it is most likely that, as a "consultant" (since you insist on using that term), GLSEN played a major role in authoring these documents. The documentation below will prove that GLSEN claims to have developed many programs for the Massachusetts DOE.
From: GLSEN students & gsas
STUDENT RESOURCES
Warren Blumenfeld: About Gay-Straight Alliances
This document consists of the following information for students and teachers who are interested in establishing gay-straight alliances at their school:
1. OVERVIEW OF GAY-STRAIGHT ALLIANCES AND OTHER SUPPORT GROUPS
2. TEN STEPS TO STARTING A GAY-STRAIGHT ALLIANCE AT YOUR SCHOOL
3. TOP TEN IDEAS FOR AWESOME MEETINGS
4. EXAMPLES OF GAY-STRAIGHT ALLIANCE ACTIVITIES
5. ABOUT BECOMING A FACULTY ADVISOR
Seems like there's a lot of GLSEN material posted on the Massachusetts Department of Education's web site.
Let investigate GLSEN's involvent in developing, with taxpayer funding, programs for the Department of Education:
Massachusetts Department of Education - Fund Code - 798: Gay/Straight Alliance Mentoring Program
"conduct a workshop on the GSA Mentoring Program at one regional conference of the Department of Education and the Gay, Lesbian, and Straight Education Network (GLSEN)"
Now isn't THAT interesting - GLSEN AND the Massachusetts DOE mentioned in a conference partnership. GLSEN is a "consultant" to the DOE's "Gay/Straight Alliance Mentoring Program," which provides taxpayer funded grants to attend GLSEN/DOE conferences (can you say "Fistgate"?).
Let's say you're correct and GLSEN was a "consultant" -- what does a consultant do? Recommend and develop programs (such as the "Gay/Straight Alliance Mentoring Program"). Is part of GLSEN's mission creating and supporting GSA's in the PUBLIC schools? Yes. How is the creation of new GSA'a funded? With taxpayer funded grants. How was "consultant" GLSEN paid for developing programs for the Massachusetts DOE? With taxpayer money. Certainly, the level of operation management that GLSEN may have had in the Massachusetts DOE's "Safe Schools" program warrants further investigation.
GLSTN Releases Video on Homophobia in Schools
GLSTN News Release
For Immediate Release
GLSTN
122 West 26th Street
Suite 1100
New York, NY 10001
Tel: 212.727.0135
Fax: 212.727.0254
Email: GLSTN@glstn.org Web: http://www.glstn.org/respect/
Contact: Diedre Cuffee-Gray, Media Coordinator or Kevin Jennings,
Executive Director: 212-727-0135
GLSTN RELEASES NEW VIDEO ON HOMOPHOBIA IN SCHOOLS TO SUPPORT BACK-TO-SCHOOL CAMPAIGN
PREMIERE SET FOR PHILADELPHIA SEPT. 28
"(New York, NY - September 19, 1996)The Gay, Lesbian, and Straight Teachers Network (GLSTN) announced today the release of its new video Teaching Respect for All as part of its Second Annual "Back-to-School" Campaign. Based on the staff training program GLSTN developed for the Massachusetts Department of Education (the first-ever statewide training program in the U.S.), the 50 minute video helps teachers, parents, and community members understand why schools need to address anti-gay bias if they are to achieve their mission of educating all students to the best of their ability. Staged each September, the Back-to-School Campaign works to get lesbian, gay, and bisexual adults and their supporters to write to their old schools demanding action to end homophobia,..."
GLSEN Boston tell us about their partnership with Mass DOE:
With funding through the Massachusetts Department of Education and the Governor's Commission on Gay and Lesbian Youth, GLSEN/Boston developed in-service faculty and staff trainings that have been delivered throughout high schools in Massachusettts and emulated in many states and cities. We are now developing programs for pre-school and elementary school teachers and administrators. Contact us if you'd like to schedule a training.
Trainings available for Students in Middle and High Schools...
Also available
Resource Materials: GSA Guides,
Posters, Resource Guides, Videos, etc.
Technical assistance for individuals and schools
Assistance in starting or maintaining a Gay/Straight Alliance at your school
And let GLSEN NATIONAL tell us about their partnership with Mass DOE:
GLSEN Resource Center - Staff Development
January 1, 1999
Homophobia 101
Anti-homophobia Training Outline For School Staff And Students
"PREFACE
The attached outline is the basic approach used by the Gay, Lesbian, and Straight Education Network (GLSEN) in trainings which have already been held for nearly 400 school staffs around the country. This training has been highly successful and led to GLSEN being selected to develop the faculty training program of the Massachusetts Department of Education's "Safe Schools for Gay and Lesbian Students" program - the first state-wide effort aimed at ending homophobia in schools
And now GLSEN will "leverage resources" at the federal level:
news
Press Releases
December 4, 2000
GLSEN Opens Office for Public Policy in DC
"NEW YORK - GLSEN this week announced the opening of its Office for Public Policy in Washington, DC. Under the stewardship of Public Policy Director Mary Kate (MK) Cullen, the offices will identify federal, state and local public policy strategies and expand the organization's work with the Department of Education and mainstream education organizations.
In addition to expanding GLSEN's work with national mainstream education and civil rights groups, the Office for Public Policy will provide leadership in mapping out the states and communities in which GLSEN will leverage resources to pass safe schools legislation, expand nondiscrimination policies or fight anti-gay initiatives. It will also direct GLSEN's Research Project, which brings together academics and activists to identify research gap areas and strategies to fill them.
"As GLSEN's reputation within educational communities has grown, so has the need for GLSEN to have a strong and steady presence in Washington," stated GLSEN Executive Director Kevin Jennings..."
And NOW you tell us that the mayor and superintendent of schools of Boston are also adding taxpayer monies to support GLSEN's GSA's? This is just the "tip of the iceberg." How many more programs have been developed with taxpayer funding?
Additional interesting information:
From: GLSEN students & gsas
ABOUT US
About Gay-Straight Alliances (GSAs)
History
Since 1989, Gay-Straight Alliances have formed in cities and towns across America. Today over 800 schools in 46 states have Gay-Straight Alliances, a number which has doubled in slightly more than a year. To better support these students, GLSEN offers print and web-based resources, list-serves that facilitate communication with and among student leaders and their faculty advisors, on-site training, and individual technical assistance.
Check out the GLSEN Resource Center
Involved in, leading or working to start a GSA in your school? Join GLSEN's Student Organizing online now for free resources, news and networking opportunities!
Starting a GSA? Already have a GSA? - Register with GLSEN today! (FREE!)
Education Policy Institute
Education Reform Briefs
Updated 10/16/00
NEA President Hears from Membership on Recent GLSEN Speech
Members of the nation's largest teachers union are making their opposition known to NEA President Bob Chase over his recent speech at a homosexual education conference in Chicago. Chase began his speech by reading several e-mails from NEA members who heard about Chase's involvement at the GLSEN (Gay, Lesbian, Straight Education Network) conference from Family Research Council (see Sept. 29 Ed Facts). "I am happy they are coming after me," Chase said.
According to GLSEN Executive Director Kevin Jennings, Chase approached GLSEN about speaking at the conference, saying he had "a platform" and an "unequivocal message" for people at the conference.
GLSEN leaders called on the conference's 800 attendees (which included many teenagers) to expand "Gay-Straight Alliance" (GSA) clubs in high schools and middle schools across the country. There are currently around 700 such clubs, according to Jennings. GLSEN also announced plans to pressure school districts to ban the Boy Scouts from "special access" in public schools.
Young Gay Activists Making a Difference
"It's probably no coincidence that the past decade, during which Hyde has observed a growth in youth activism, coincides with the proliferation of Gay Straight Alliances (GSAs) in public high schools in Massachusetts and around the country. Back in 1992, just a handful of GSAs existed in the Bay State; now, more than half of its 300 hundred public high schools have active GSAs. While the primary focus of the groups is promoting tolerance and safety for all students, they allow students to branch out in other ways as well. ``I think it's just hard to overstate how important these bodies have been," says Kevin Jennings, executive director of the National Gay Lesbian and Straight Education Network (GLSEN). ``Because what they've done is they are kind of the place where these young people learn about leadership skills, how to be activists, and [students] are coming into college with already several years of effective organizing experience behind them. For a lot of us in the LGBT movement who are my age, it was on-the-job training if you would," laughs the 39 year-old Jennings. ``I'm looking at students who apply for internships here now who are 18 and already have 12 leadership positions with LGBT-related activities. ...It's amazing." ...
Needless to say, Jennings is enthusiastic about the influx of young people into the gay rights movement. ``I think we're at a watershed moment in the history of this movement where young people are moving to the front and center of it," he observes. ``And when that has happened in the past with other movements like the African-American civil rights movement or the Vietnam War movement, it was the factor that propelled those movements to victory. So I'm very hopeful for the future."
And here's just one more from Mass DOE's Resources page:
Alyson Publications, Young, Gay, and Proud, Boston: Alyson Publications, 1985. An essential manual for young people who think they may be lesbian or gay with suggestions for discovering sexual identity, talking to parents, coming out in school, and meeting other gay, lesbian, and bisexual people.
You'll remember that book - it was documented in the the thread GLSEN Encourages Teens In Anal SEX "Don't give up":
""Doing it: Gay men...Many people don't know the anus is not only an organ to remove waste. It's very sexually exciteable...Your first few times having anal sex might be a little hard. You may have to practice a bit before it starts feeling really good. I sure did." (pg. 81)
Remember, even though the above quote says "Gay men" this book is on the recomended reading list for TEENAGERS of virtually every homosexual advocacy group out there. That's why it's called 'Young, Gay and Proud!'. It is located in many public middle and high school libraries..."
Now who do you suppose came up with THAT recommendation? (Hint - try GLSEN Boston's web site).
That's all -- for now...
For heaven's sake, madg, how many times are you going to ignore the admission of homosexual sex being discussed with minor school children in their public school classrooms? Everyone who has taken the time to actually listen to the tape (except you, of course) has been shocked to hear the representative from the homosexual group "SpeakOut" admit that discussions about explicit homosexual sex have actually taken place in public school classrooms - a middle school classroom in that particular instance.
I can't help but notice your exteme reluctance to address the full two minutes where this homosexual activist is heard on tape telling us that he, as a, "guest speaker," discusses sexually explicit topics such as those covered in the Fistgate workshop in public middle schools. No propagada there - just a homosexual actually admitting that this occurs in public schools.
( From time index 5:39 to 7:41 on Fistgate audio clip 8. Scott Whiteman: As With Vegetables, Children Shouldn't Knock Homosexuality Until They Have Tried It (Length 8:02))
Actually, YOU were the one who interpreted sections 28, 29, and 31 as being some sort of "pornography/adult entertainment" statute ( reply 209 ).
"It’s clear that most of sections 28-30 pertain to pornographic MATERIALS and live ENTERTAINMENT. It would take a lot of twisting and stretching to find these sections applicable to the serious educational environment."
It's NOT clear that sections 28, 29, and 31 pertain exclusively to "pornography/adult entertainment." Certainly, a prudent person could see that the definitions do pertain to the workshop in question. Let's look at the definitions again:
SECTION 31 of the GENERAL LAWS of MASSACHUSETTS DEFINES matter that is OBSCENE and HARMFUL to MINORS:
"Harmful to minors'', matter is harmful to minors if it is obscene or, if taken as a whole, it (1) describes or represents nudity, sexual conduct or sexual excitement, so as to appeal predominantly to the prurient interest of minors; (2) is patently contrary to prevailing standards of adults in the county where the offense was committed as to suitable material for such minors; and (3)lacks serious literary, artistic, political or scientific value for minors.
"Obscene'', matter is obscene if taken as a whole it (1) appeals to the prurient interest of the average person applying the contemporary standards of the county where the offense was committed; (2) depicts or describes sexual conduct in a patently offensive way; and (3) lacks serious literary, artistic, political or scientific value...
The following definitions are from "Webster's Desk Dictionary of the English Language," 1990 edition:
prurient - (2) causing lasciviousness or lust.
lasciviousness - (2) arousing sexual desire.
describe - (1) to depict in words.
depict - (2) to represent in words.
In reply 209, you claimed that the workshop was a "serious educational environment." That's not the case. EDUCATION Commissioner Driscoll determined that the material being DESCRIBED and DEPICTED to MINORS by the workshop presenters was (1) sexually explicit; (2) of prurient nature; (3) not educational; and (4) wrong. Specifically, he said:
"The participation of our staff in conversations with students about explicit issues of sexuality outside the realm of AIDS/HIV prevention was wrong. The workshops were of prurient nature, and not educational, and what we heard suggests that the discussion contributed absolutely nothing to the students' understanding of how to avoid AIDS and HIV."
Camenker and Whiteman had a civic duty to expose the harmful and obscene material being discussed with minors in GLSEN's workshops. The audio tape substantiated Camenker's and Whiteman's claims. And the tape revealed that discussions with similar (and even worse) obscene and harmful content are being introduced in the public school curriculum by teachers who bring in homosexual "guest speakers" to their classes.
"You are the one trying to second-guess the legal experts..."
No. I believe that a reasonably prudent person can see from the definitions above that sections 28, 29, and 31 could apply to the workshop in question. Why the DA or AG doesn't even bother to acknowledge Scott Whiteman's complaint and evidence is obviously a question of politics.
"the folks whose JOB it is to prosecute things like that."
If they were doing their job, they'd resolve this issue by making an official, public ruling on the matter. The DA, as a public official, has a duty to respond to the complaint and the tax-paying public has a right to know the official ruling on the complaint. If the DA or the AG dismisses the complaint, then they are obligated to state why the complaint does not meet the criteria of sections 28, 29, and 31 of Chapter 272 of M.G.L.
"They have NOT prosecuted... there have been NO arrests. There have been NO announcements of any investigation of any kind."
Absolutely! Not even an acknowledgement on a serious complaint that was backed by evidence. Just Silence!
"Who should I believe... the experts... or you?"
You've already made clear what you believe. The homosexual community has obviously procured the DA's and the AG's silence on the complaint.
"Why should the DA consult "an expert opinion" on public matters when this was a private matter?"
Why? Because you and GLAD both claim that the workshop was an educational matter. Children from PUBLIC SCHOOLS were present. GLSEN and the workshop presenters all maintained a presense in the public schools. Whether in a public school classroom or in a "private" conference (at a publicly owned facility), the discussion that took place with minor children was, in the expert opinion of the Education Commissioner, not educational and was of a prurient nature. And therefore subject to sections 28 and 29.
Here's what GLAD is most concerned about in the suit against Camenker and Whiteman ( reply 268 ):
"GLAD is putting the right-wing on notice that they cannot use intimidation tactics to try to stop vitally important sex education information from getting to young people."
Once again - The workshops were of prurient nature and not educational....
"It doesn't matter what he thinks, the DA's office makes the determination."
Actually, in this case, the DA made no determination at all. Even with an eye witness and evidence recorded on tape, they've chosen to remain silent and not issue an official, public ruling on the complaint. The DA, as a public official, doesn't have the luxury of simply ignoring a complaint with such serious charges. Again, the DA and/or the AG can clear this up by making an official, public ruling.
"Are you suggesting that Driscoll could come into YOUR house and make a LEGAL determination that you are not teaching YOUR kids properly? That's what you are suggesting he's doing here. You're saying he can intrude upon a private environment and make LEGAL determinations."
That's absurd, madg, and you know it. No matter how hard you try to misdirect and twist this, the fact is Driscoll is not making a legal determination, nor is anyone claiming that he is. The DA certainly should seek out a qualified opinion. These were public school kids that were at the conference (and the conference did take place on public property) . Are you claiming that, once the homosexual community has kids in a private setting such as this conference, that the laws no longer apply and they can do as they wish with them?
"Furthermore, it's the DA that has to prove the case in court. That's their job. That's what they do. Surely they can determine the probability of winning a court case better than you."
If the DA and the AG are simply silent and refuse to issue any public ruling on the complaint, then, NO, neither the DA nor the AG are doing their jobs as public servants. If the DA or AG feels that Scott Whiteman's complaint is without merit, let them officially dismiss it and offer a public explanation of why the complaint does not meet the criteria of sections 28,29, and 31. Why are you so adverse to a request to have the DA (or AG) officially and publicly rule on the complaint?
"As far as I know, the DA never even ACKNOWLEDGED Whiteman's complaint, much less responded to it. "
That's the point. Given the seriousness of the complaint (minor public school children being exposed to obscene and harmful material), and having an eye witness with proof on tape, the DA doesn't even ACKNOWLEDGE the complaint?
"I was accepting Whiteman's word that he had filed a complaint at all. Maybe he didn't file... that wouldn't change this matter very much."
Madg, that's ludicrous! YOU were the one who originally posted the link to Whiteman's complaint in reply 104
"Here is Whiteman’s complaint to the AG: (WARNING: Potentially offensive language and subject matter). We KNOW that no charges have been filed against GLSEN, therefore the complaint was without merit.
"We still know that there has not been any public complaints about that workshop, neither from attendees nor their parents (if applicable), aside from the one guy that attended with a hidden recorder and an agenda."
Uh huh. Because parents watched Whiteman and Camenker being vilified by the homosexual legal group GLAD, GLSEN, the pro-homosexual press, and public officials. And then they saw that Whiteman's complaint fell on deaf ears in the DA's office. Yeah, they'd be real motivated to file a complaint.
And if a parent decided to file a complaint, what's the first thing that would be shoved in their face? That little general permission slip for a "Safe Schools" conference that was so connivingly designed. Remeber, you told us, based on your experience of attending a GLSEN conference, that there was no sign in for any of the specific workshops. That means that there was no pre-registration and therefore no parental permission required for students to attend specific workshops, as I pointed out in reply 228.
Again, let's look at what GLAD said about the pending case on their web site:
"GLAD is putting the right-wing on notice that they cannot use intimidation tactics to try to stop vitally important sex education information from getting to young people."
Sounds pretty threatening to me. If a parent filed a complaint, it's highly likely that the complaint would be ignored by the DA's office, and then the parent would be vilified by the homosexual community. We can see the method in the homosexual agenda madness.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/837855/posts?page=271#271
Do you think it should have been answered in the way it was, Madg?
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