Posted on 02/22/2003 5:27:25 AM PST by Movemout
The waters just keep gittin murkier an murkier don't they?
"Them's the breaks," as some would say. :)
I have not read this article in it's entirety yet but previous articles reported that the chemicals were dumped directly into the streams.
I've never made meth, but from what I've read to make meth it takes anhydrous ammonia, (a gas), and ether. Unless they off load a semi-tanker of ether into the river, there just isn't enough volume to do the damage.
As I said, this is an emotional ploy, in the fashion of Greenpeace showing clearcuts or seal clubbing to raise donations. Only they don't want donations they want the people out. Rural cleansing, IMHO.
We may never know because the lab samples were taken a few days after the first die off were disposed of. It could have been the trigger for the majority kill. I need to get off my butt and make some local contacts for more on ths.
One thing that sounds strange to me is the release of water from Trinity Lake as the local news was the release was from Irongate on the Klamath. A man drowned on the Klamath near Orleans above the Trinity at the time of the release and it was speculated he was caught by sudden rise in the river.
One thing is for sure. The government folks who are being whipsawed by EnvironMental "Born Again Pagans" who are traditionally some of the biggest customers of the illicit M.J. & Meth industries, are behind all of this, along with the commercial Whitewater Rafting Industry.
These are relentless, remorseless, ruthless people that will stop a NOTHING to stir up turbidity and poison the waters to disrupt economic stability and progress! They seem to hate America's ways as much as the murderous muslims and will create divisive issues where none should exist to "divide & conquer!
I live among these types and in fact they are trying to destroy my community with their self-described "Culture Clash" tactics! I resent it deeply!!! This used to be a pretty good natured place, until the decade of decadence and Clinton, Clinton & Gore, Inc.
You are right about who are the bad/good guys, however, they are tweaking and torquing this Klamath issue to the point where they will have those who resent the WoD fighting those who support the WoD who are both Conservative and defenders of freedom, more or less, and certainly of Liberty for Individualism in our Society.
Now something was done to cause those fish to die like that and it was disgusting to see the State of CA Fish & Game politicize it immediately as a F/U by the Bush Administration who only sought to balance the needs of farmers with fishers and indians!!!
I too think Carry Okie has the cause/result figured out, but I think "the why" had to do with untimely releases due to commercial rafters and power generators needing the commercial value of high flows for "fun & profit!" That makes EnvironMental Extremists like Friends of the River, Inc., who front for the rapacious rafters... HIPOCRITES!!! (and in this case fishkillers for fun and profit IMO)
Finally, when I see the anti WoD people on FR come flocking to a thread like this, acting like "don't bring any heat down on this suspected activity," I get more than a little suspicious that they are a little too generous with the advancing drug culture and I don't like it, either.
There, now, I've not been cryptic or obtuse with you, either.
My parents farmed Southern Indiana bottom land until 1972. I remember until 1968-70 the only thing we ever had to worry about were citzens picking corn and drunks running off the road through the fields.
Then the last few years we had all kinds of crime. Fuel theft, silage theft, arson, etc.
Now, I hear agricrime is beyond belief. Especially for corn farmers who use anhyrdous ammonia.
Just don't confuse "being a little too generous with the advancing drug culture" with being skeptical about the wisdom of being quick to blame them.
If we are convinced that these meth labs pose a serious risk to welfare of the nation as a whole, then we should be willing to accept exceptional measures to stop them. If the federal govenrment cannot stop people from setting up labs in remote rural areas, they may decide the only solution is to de-populate those areas, and make them limited access, moving the people closer to metropolitan and suburban areas. Now, who do you think has that exact scenario as a long term, strategic goal?
GANG-GREEN, of course!
Law enforcement has just as much responsibility to protect us rural people as they do cityslickers. Our tax money spends just as easily as theirs does! Why must we not be as quick to blame as CA F&G are quick to shift blame?
They want all of us productive descendents of the white european males with our American traditions subjugated to their Franco-Germanic tyrannical socialistic will. Yes, they may excuse their heavy handed pressuring to cleanse the rural landscape, but is that supposed to cause us to cower before them in fear of seeking and speaking out the truth of their ruthless ways?
I think NOT!!! Furthermore... I'm not confused, nor am I lacking in wisdom in blaming in view of considerable evidence, per this article. Yes, I'm judgemental and if you don't think you are, them you better get back inside the "Garden of Eden" where people didn't have to discern right from wrong.
Because they're pursuing an agenda that is furthured by lies, and we are pursuing an agenda that is furthured by the truth. Every thing I read about conservative philosophy says that jumping to conclusion is anathema to that philosophy.
If all the groups getting screwed by such disregard of Federal Constitutional power could get together to limit that power, and fight out policy battles like the War on Drugs at the State and local level, the Leftists might finally start losing ground. But instead, people seem to work full time attacking potential allies. There seems to be the same sort of pointless conflict at times between Christians and non-Christians at FR, yet, again, they ought to be allies against a common and ever increasing Federal threat.
Your point is well taken. If you'll notice, the venom in my stinging rebukes was/is aimed at the subject that has caused the most boring and over the top "flame wars" here on FR. (in recent times)
As BigFootBob will tell you, it is also based on transference from an embittering situation here in my own rural community. (he and I have been talking in the FR post office about how I can't even find a place to park in front of mine due to people abusing Prop 215)
It is NOT my intent, nor will it ever be, to damage ANY effective alliances the traditional ag industry has in the K. Falls region or anywhere else, for that matter. It WAS my intent to preempt, or at least counter the usual swarm of attacks on the WoD, using this thread as so many others have been for two reasons.
1. This article is "too legit to quit!"
2. I'm sick of the gag and vomit eternal flaming of the Wod on every thread possible at the slightest excuse to interject such browbeating by proponents of legalization!!!
They have every right to their point of view, but for too long now, they've been "Freepin" FreeRepublic and there are many of us who will not be moved and are sick of being shoved with their eternal irrational exuberance!!!
Now it appears, we can't even sit around on this thread and explore the possibilities and expressing opinions without some inordinate fear that we'll be stepping on someone's alliance building.
All this when we KNOW that the leading proponent (kerr) of the effort to shut off the "A" canal is so far the most successful and hurtful proponent of creating more lame brane dead heads like himself while driving legitimate farmers out.
Ok, you're probably right, I suppose by now the farmers and ranchers are so desperate they'll be forced to deal even with devils like this guy and his ilk. Therefore, it is suddenly no one's business on the outside as it's a question of survival... I understand that.
But still, we should be free, here on FR (subject to the owner's will) to express our opinions and ideas on at least this thread, without still another hideous domination of conversation by overzealous legalization proponents!!!
Yet it's the world's foremost forum for Conservatism, right?
The missing "S" - skepticism - is the one that counts.
Maybe so, but I live in a rural area, and I'm not in any particular hurry to have the federal government do for me they've done for the people in the inner cities.
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