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A mystery we’ll all solve, someday
Oak Lawn (IL) Reporter ^ | 2/27/03 | Michael M. Bates

Posted on 02/25/2003 8:01:45 AM PST by mikeb704

It’s always near. We never go long without hearing or thinking about it. It’s as central to the human condition as breathing or anxiety or love.

We mere creatures sometimes assume we’ve accomplished a great deal. We’ve ostensibly made so many strides in so many areas in a relatively short span of time. Yet on the subject of what is death is about, we have no more certain knowledge than our ancestors did millennia ago.

Recent tragedies at just two nightclubs claimed almost 120 lives. At one club they were black young people, at the other white. All gone much too early and a stark, abrupt reminder of just how fragile this thing called life is.

Is there such a thing as a good way to die? Most don’t concede one. We cling to life with everything we’ve got, while all the time recognizing the inevitability of death.

Dying quickly, with a minimum of suffering, may seem the better way to go. Then again, a long terminal illness affords us the opportunity to say goodbye to loved ones. If we’re religious, we can prepare ourselves for what will come after the darkness.

What happens to people after they die? There are so many questions.

Folks who don’t believe in an afterlife have the easiest of answers. Nothing happens. You’re simply gone, no longer sentient, and no longer aware. No pain, no vision, no nothing.

Most people, though, have a value system that includes a Creator and an existence after death. For them it can all be so very problematical.

Christians believe in a soul that will exist in the Creator’s Paradise for all eternity. Bishop Sheen once said that he expected there to be two surprises after death. The first was the people who he thought for sure would go to Heaven and didn’t make it. The second was the people who he thought for certain would never get into Heaven but did.

And what will Heaven be like? Will it be bright and cheery, with vibrant colors and all the angels floating gently on clouds? Will it be a place where we finally learn the answers to why dreadful things happened to the innocent? Will we come to an understanding of the immensity of infinity? Will we experience a joy that in our mortal form we could never envisage, let alone achieve?

Some maintain that only souls deserving of living in the Divine Presence will have life eternal. So what happens to everyone else?

It depends. Some Christian religions have decided that unworthy souls will merely be snuffed out. The Church of England, for example, declares that Hell isn’t fire and brimstone. It’s not a place of eternal torment. Instead, it’s merely a state of non-being and nothingness. Sort of like being a Democrat.

That last part is my theology, not the Church of England’s, as you probably surmised.

Other religions don’t view the situation that way. The Catechism of the Catholic Church states: "The teaching of the Church affirms the existence of hell and its eternity. Immediately after death the souls of those who die in a state of mortal sin descend into hell, where they suffer the punishments of hell, ‘eternal fire.’ The chief punishment of hell is eternal separation from God, in whom alone man can possess the life and happiness for which he was created and for which he longs."

An alliance of millions of British Christians proclaims: "Hell is a conscious experience of rejection and torment. There are degrees of punishment and suffering in Hell related to the severity of sins committed on Earth."

Torment? Punishment? Suffering? This doesn’t sound like something we, especially Baby Boomers, are going to dig. So many of us have decided we’re not going there. In a 1998 Harris Poll, only two percent of Americans said they expected to go to Hell. 76 percent believed they’re going to Heaven, and four percent thought Purgatory would be their initial destination.

Interestingly, 12 percent said they’d be going "somewhere else." Among non-Christians, that figure jumped to 35 percent.

We don’t like thinking about death and what happens afterward. But what we believe, and how we put those beliefs into action, will have consequences. Most people of faith expect those consequences to be everlasting.

All of us will find out the great mystery of what is beyond. That’s as certain as taxes and. . . well, you know the rest.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; Philosophy; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: death; dying; heaven; hell; religion
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1 posted on 02/25/2003 8:01:45 AM PST by mikeb704
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To: mikeb704
"Sort of like being a Democrat. "

This is a classic!
2 posted on 02/25/2003 8:11:10 AM PST by netmilsmom (Bush/Rice 2004)
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To: netmilsmom
It just came to me, so naturally. Thanks.
3 posted on 02/25/2003 8:22:24 AM PST by mikeb704
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Do you believe that anything we do here on earth, justifies an eternity of suffering? Does the murder of one individual justify eternal punishment, or does it require mass murders? Does blasphemy justify eternal punishment, why? How is mortal sin determined?
4 posted on 02/25/2003 8:26:57 AM PST by stuartcr
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To: stuartcr
Yes,I believe there's a Hell. According to your profile, you don't and I doubt if there's anything I could say that would change that belief. And I wouldn't try. These are matters of faith.
5 posted on 02/25/2003 10:43:40 AM PST by mikeb704
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To: mikeb704
I didn't ask if you believed in hell, I asked what we, as mere humans of 70 or 80 years or so, could do that could possibly justify an eternity of suffering and punishment.
6 posted on 02/25/2003 11:04:40 AM PST by stuartcr
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Asking yourself what it will be like after you die is like asking a fetus what it will be like after it's born.
7 posted on 02/26/2003 12:07:13 AM PST by D-fendr
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To: stuartcr
I appreciate your thoughtful question, and I'd like to ask, hopefully, you one:

Do you think that what we do in this existence matters? Put another way, do our lives have an effect on our existence afterwards; do choices have value? (assuming, of course, something continues).
8 posted on 02/26/2003 12:11:00 AM PST by D-fendr
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To: stuartcr
See: Atilla the Hun, Pol Pot, Adolf Hitler, Joe Stalin, Cortez, Idi Amin, my ex...
9 posted on 02/26/2003 12:14:27 AM PST by null and void (to name a few....)
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To: D-fendr
My 9 year old son is at the stage of asking the Big Questions.

In answer to his question about the meaning of life, I quoted Tom Leher quoting his friend Hen3ry (the 3 is silent):

"Life is like a sewer, what you get out of it depends entirely on what you put in it."

10 posted on 02/26/2003 12:19:47 AM PST by null and void (I guess death is the same?...)
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To: null and void
Good one, thanks.

I don't remember the author of this one:

"Life after death? I'm hoping for some life before death."

11 posted on 02/26/2003 12:32:46 AM PST by D-fendr
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To: D-fendr
Mae West???
12 posted on 02/26/2003 12:33:57 AM PST by null and void
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To: D-fendr
We keep coming back until we get it right.

It's called hell on earth. :-D

Mustang sends

13 posted on 02/26/2003 12:59:35 AM PST by Mustang (Evil Thrives When Good People Do Nothing!)
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To: stuartcr
What is or isn't a mortal sin varies by religion. Catholics, like myself, are taught that suicide is the only mortal sin. (I think it's the only one - I'm not a very good Catholic). Anyway, all other sins CAN (in theory) be forgiven thru confession/absolution.
14 posted on 02/26/2003 1:17:17 AM PST by Sapper26
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To: null and void
Mae? dunno. Here's as close as I could find from Google:

Is there life before death? -- Belfast Graffito

Found these too:

Death is life's way of telling you you've been fired. -- R. Geis

Death: To stop sinning suddenly. -- Elbert Hubbard

I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen

And I believe it was Woody who said: "I'm not afraid of death; I just don't want to be there when it happens."
15 posted on 02/26/2003 2:01:15 AM PST by D-fendr
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To: D-fendr
I honestly have no idea. I do think it's a little arrogant to think that when speaking on an eternal, universal scale, that what we here on earth do for our little lifetimes, has much of an effect on anything.
16 posted on 02/26/2003 5:31:48 AM PST by stuartcr
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To: Sapper26
So those individuals that null and void mentioned can be forgiven? Why not suicide?
17 posted on 02/26/2003 6:01:45 AM PST by stuartcr
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To: stuartcr
Do you believe that anything we do here on earth, justifies an eternity of suffering?

Joni Erickson Tada made a bad decision one day. She dived into a body of water without making sure the way was clear. Since then she has been a quadrapelegic (sp?). Did her bad decision justify spending the rest of her life in a wheelchair? I don't even know how to answer that question. It's the consequence of her choice and she has to live with it.

Hell is the consequence of a choice not to submit to G-d. Those who choose Hell do so freely and never repent. Whether they can choose otherwise or can repent I can not say. I do know that they will not.

I also know that Jesus spoke of Hell about 3 times as much as He spoke of Heaven. Since I trust Jesus I can not believe in one without disbelieving in the other.

Shalom.

18 posted on 02/26/2003 7:07:38 AM PST by ArGee (I did not come through fire and death to bandy crooked words with a serving-man... - Gandalf)
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To: null and void
See: Atilla the Hun, Pol Pot, Adolf Hitler, Joe Stalin, Cortez, Idi Amin, my ex...

I haven't met your ex, but you may owe Hitler an apology.

;)

Shalom.

19 posted on 02/26/2003 7:08:58 AM PST by ArGee (I did not come through fire and death to bandy crooked words with a serving-man... - Gandalf)
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