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When Students Attack
The Hartford Advocate ^ | February 27, 2003 | Chris Harris

Posted on 02/28/2003 3:16:59 AM PST by cgbg

When the lights go out in a classroom at Fox Middle School, teachers who work there know that the smart thing to do is run...

(Excerpt) Read more at hartfordadvocate.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; US: Connecticut; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: connecticut; crime; florida; hartford; liberals; nea; race; schools; teachers
I am amazed that the local "alternative" rag had the courage to print this article. As you can see the liberals who run the Hartford public schools are trying to hide the fact that they are accessories after the fact to a series of youth criminal acts. The Hartford public school system is child abuse, and the school board and administrators who fail to turn the criminals in class over to the police are imho aiding and abetting criminal activity.

Where is the NEA? Why won't they support discipline in the schools to protect their own union members?

Where are the leaders of the Democratic Party? They run Hartford and have for every year in modern history.

The next time some liberal politician tells you they care about the children and the schools hand them this article.

btw, Floridians take note. One of the accessories after the fact in this criminal activity was hired by a Florida school district identified in the article.

Don't say you weren't warned!
1 posted on 02/28/2003 3:16:59 AM PST by cgbg
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To: cgbg
I'm always amazed at parents who won't let their kids go to the mall because it is dangerous but willingly send them to a dangerous school.
2 posted on 02/28/2003 3:23:32 AM PST by AppyPappy (Caesar si viveret, ad remum dareris.)
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To: cgbg
This shows you what the government can really do, it is time to take America back from these blow hard liberals and the lawyers who manipulate the law to their advantage.
With everything going on in America today and the rage it is time for a Revolution in some form.
Laws only pertain to the law abiding and innocent and rights only apply to the criminals, something here is out of order!
If the only way to acquire rights is to become a criminal, then the system encourages one to become a crook.
3 posted on 02/28/2003 3:25:32 AM PST by gunnedah
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To: AppyPappy
My sons wouldn't use the restrooms while they attended public school. They were filthy, dangerous, and had no walls between the stalls. When they got home every day at 4pm, they ran to the bathroom. And this is a very small town in Texas!
4 posted on 02/28/2003 3:31:17 AM PST by buffyt (RALLY FOR AMERICA. March 1. noon. Houston. Jones Plaza. Tom DeLay will be there!)
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To: cgbg
What do little thugs grow up to be?


5 posted on 02/28/2003 3:31:38 AM PST by Dataman
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To: cgbg
Does W's 'leave no child behind' empty slogan have antything to do with this?
6 posted on 02/28/2003 3:53:15 AM PST by A Vast RightWing Conspirator
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To: cgbg
I can only assume that the citizens of Connecticut want this situation … they refuse to vote for the alternative at each election.
7 posted on 02/28/2003 3:55:24 AM PST by bimbo
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To: cgbg
And when Sheff VS Oniell goes into full effect, those same dicipline problems will be sent to Windsor, Bloomfield, Whethersfield...and then, when those kids are suspended 3 times in a month, and those schools finally expell the kids, the school systems will be at fault. Not he kids.
8 posted on 02/28/2003 3:55:30 AM PST by RaceBannon
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To: cgbg
BUMP
9 posted on 02/28/2003 4:06:43 AM PST by RippleFire (Hold mein bier!)
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To: cgbg; RaceBannon
Although he has obviously seen it, I suggest FReepers send an email to Governor John G. Rowland with a link to FR and the article, congratulating his state on making FreeRepublic:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/853634/posts

http://hartfordadvocate.com/gbase/News/content?oid=oid:4453

Governor.Rowland@po.state.ct.us

His address is:

Governor John G. Rowland
Governor's Office
State Capitol
210 Capitol Avenue
Hartford, CT 06106

10 posted on 02/28/2003 4:38:21 AM PST by ofMagog (I finally became at peace with myself when I gave up all hope of a better yesterday.)
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To: cgbg
Sounds like it's time to begin sterilizing people who keep producing liabilities like these kids. Obviously, the "parent(s)" aren't involved at all in their child's life...and so this is what we get...and so why allow idiots to reproduce? Welcome to our future...unfortunately :(
11 posted on 02/28/2003 4:59:34 AM PST by Martyboy1
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To: LadyX; Scuttlebutt; Fred Mertz; beowolf; razorback-bert; humblegunner; Billie; WVNan; Aquamarine; ..
Following email sent to the governor:

Governor Roland:

Congratulations on your state having made FreeRepublic

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/853634/posts

with this article posted today:

http://hartfordadvocate.com/gbase/News/content?oid=oid:4453

It looks like Connecticut has gone down the tube. Why would any industry want to locate in your state with such a terrible eudcational system?

12 posted on 02/28/2003 5:01:03 AM PST by ofMagog (I finally became at peace with myself when I gave up all hope of a better yesterday.)
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To: RaceBannon
And when Sheff VS Oniell goes into full effect, those same dicipline problems will be sent to Windsor, Bloomfield, Whethersfield...and then, when those kids are suspended 3 times in a month, and those schools finally expell the kids, the school systems will be at fault. Not he kids

My understanding of the settlement iis that the majority of kids in these really bad schools will probably stay there, since presumably most of their parents don't care about education and won't bother to send them to a suburban "magnet" school.

That settlement will divide the Hartofrd community into "haves" who go to magnet schools and "have nots" who stay in horrendous Hartford schools.

After reading this article I began to understand why the minority community in Hartford was so accepting of Clinton regardless of his endless criminal and unethical behavior. All of it fell within the bounds of "normal" behavior at their public schools!

I was hoping that this thread could also get into how these problems could be resolved.

My proposals (are ou listening governor RINO?):

(1) Treat youthful offenders as adults.

(2) Jail any teacher or administrator who attempts to cover up a criminal act.

(3) Jail parents of children who commit criminal acts.

(4) Close all schools in areas of town that are unsafe due to significant crime in the neighborhood.

(5) Instead of teaching kids about "diversity" and "black history" start teaching them about moraiity and responsibiiity for their own actions.

(6) Take one really bad kid a year and put him in the stock in front of the old state house so passersby can spit at him. It worked for the Puritans. It can work for Connecticut today.
13 posted on 02/28/2003 5:06:30 AM PST by cgbg
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To: cgbg
Why not post the entire article? When I clicked it on, it came up in tiny type that was too difficult to read.
14 posted on 02/28/2003 5:08:45 AM PST by OldPossum
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To: Martyboy1
Kick them out. It is better to have them in jail than locked in school with our kids.
15 posted on 02/28/2003 5:10:33 AM PST by AppyPappy (Caesar si viveret, ad remum dareris.)
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To: OldPossum
For one hting, it's a copyright violation. It also may be owned by the same people as the Washington Post.
16 posted on 02/28/2003 5:11:40 AM PST by AppyPappy (Caesar si viveret, ad remum dareris.)
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To: RaceBannon
Living in one of Hartford's border towns, I can attest to that. Our high school underwent a major renovation between 5 and 7 years ago. Basically gutted inside and replaced with new everything. Our system has always had its' share of "Project Concern" kids and others from Hartford when I was there through the 80's, but as the screwel system in Hartford continued it's downward spiral, more and more city kids began entering our system.

Walk down the hallways today, and it looks like the stereo-typical inner city screwel you see on tv. Urban graffitti inside and out, broken fixtures, vandalism, etc. Once Sheff v. O'Neill gets forced upon us, it'll only be a matter of time before the city's violence makes its' way to our screwel yards. It won't be an improvement of the educational system, it will be a degredation of successful systems to the level of the non-performing ones.

My father-in-law is a teacher in the south-western part of the state in a small town that neighbors a big-city. He is considered (and rightly so) one of the top teachers in the system. It has gotten to the point now where he is counting down the days until he is eligible for retirement. If they were to offer him an early retirement package with health care included, he would walk out the door today.

Teachers make an easy target sometimes (I enjoy bashing them myself), but I wouldn't put my FIL in that category. The situation is very problematic even if you ignore the NEA problem for a minute. Good teachers are getting frustrated with the fact that the inmates (students not union teachers) are running the asylum and they have no recourse. More and more quality teachers are either quitting education all together or moving to private schools. Not only do they have to worry about the usual ill-behaved, mouthy, wise-a$$ kids anymore, they now have to worry about getting beat up. Can't carry a side-arm ya' know. As if the teachers union wasn't doing a good enough job of destroying the public screwel system on it's own, you can now add to the situation that good teachers are fleeing in droves.
17 posted on 02/28/2003 5:14:11 AM PST by LoneGOPinCT (From the Land of Liberalty. All we are saying is give pizza chants.)
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To: OldPossum
"Why not post the entire article? When I clicked it on, it came up in tiny type that was too difficult to read."

Might I suggest Mozilla (www.mozilla.org). It will actually let you resize ANY font, unlike Internet Explorer.

It is a godsend for people with poor vision like myself.

Not to mention it blocks popups.

[/shamelessplug]
18 posted on 02/28/2003 5:29:18 AM PST by toothless (I AM A MAN)
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To: gunnedah
Expel them. If they are on the streets causing trouble, arrest them. If they are not causing trouble, leave them alone.

Keeping them in school is not going to help them because they don't want to learn. States should be lowering their school drop-out age, not raising it. Society has to learn that some kids are "throw aways." Let the criminal justice system handle them if they get out of line, but get them out of the schools.

The argument that they must stay in school in order to become productive members of society is a sham. They will not become productive members of society just because they are confined to a school all day. Schools shouldn't be child care institutions.
19 posted on 02/28/2003 5:46:39 AM PST by ladylib
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To: cgbg
This is not just an isolated case; There are schools like this all over the country.

I've been substitute teaching in an urban school district while between jobs, and the attitude on some of the high school (and yes, even a few of the middle school) kids is unbelieveable - and I'm a 225 lb powerlifter - and I go in to sub situations in that kind of school like Patton taking over Third Army. (I model myself on the warm and welcoming Drill Sergeant who greeted my "cattle car" as it arrived at Basic Training) I can't imagine what a "mild mannered" teacher goes through.

I throw discipline problems out of class - I figure they don't pay me enough to take any BS. I had one HS Junior who I was throwing out, who came up and grabbed my shoulder as I wrote him up. I instinctively whirled around, knocked his hand off me, and cocked back my right. I swear the kid soiled himself. Fortunately, I didn't put him through the blackboard, although he surely would have deserved it. Why? Because I would now be fighting a lawsuit. I recently spoke to a 20 year teaching veteran who broke up a fight between two fifth graders; Nobody was hurt, but she's now being sued, and defending herself from charges of racism, because one of the parent couldn't believe their "little darling" did anything wrong (or more likely, the single mom parent figures this teacher has more in her retirement account than she'll see in her entire lifetime)

20 posted on 02/28/2003 5:50:59 AM PST by LouD
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B T T T
21 posted on 02/28/2003 6:29:13 AM PST by ofMagog (I finally became at peace with myself when I gave up all hope of a better yesterday.)
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To: cgbg
Rather than reposting my long essay, I'll just sum it up: If public education is no longer compulsory, then the schools will have the power to expel any violent little cretin, most of the worst will never even volunteer to enter the building, and those who stay will be there because they want to be. Scores go up, violence goes down, faculty empowerment goes up, accountability goes up, etc.

If having mandated free daycare (which is all schools are for those who aren't there for an education) is so important, that pass legislation saying so... just don't continue to ruin schools by forcing them to play the dual role.

It is blatanly obvious (to anyone who will allow themselves to see) that compulsory education for all does not raise the education level for the nation. It is the Tenth Plank of the Communist Manifesto, and is just a big a failure as the rest of Marx's doctrine.

Of course, when the uneducable are sorted out, the 'undecideds' will have to choose between violent daycare gang centers, and peaceful education centers where behavioral compliance is demanded (and the consequence is expulsion). They'll figure it out quickly enough, and you will truly see that kids and parent are choosing education, since they can clearly see the alternative.

(In my urban-suburban middle school, I was 'the enforcer', since I was the only physical male in the entire hallway.)

22 posted on 02/28/2003 6:34:29 AM PST by Teacher317
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To: LouD
I'm a 225 lb powerlifter

I guess that means you can pick up and physically remove the bad kids from class!

Probably each teacher at these schools should begin their class with the following disclaimer:

Don't even think about trying to sue me. I have no assets except my feet and my fists, and if you get out of line you will get your fair share of those.

;-)
23 posted on 02/28/2003 6:37:00 AM PST by cgbg
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To: cgbg
"You have a minority of kids who are taking over, making it impossible for teachers to teach, and students to learn," says Carpino. "And we can't go on like that."

Just as in prison, the prisoners run the institution.

24 posted on 02/28/2003 6:43:57 AM PST by Experiment 6-2-6 (Meega, Nala Kweesta!!!!)
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To: ladylib
The argument that they must stay in school in order to become productive members of society is a sham. They will not become productive members of society just because they are confined to a school all day. Schools shouldn't be child care institutions.

Agreed. Some children should "be left behind".

25 posted on 02/28/2003 6:48:50 AM PST by adx (Will produce tag lines for beer)
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To: LoneGOPinCT
You may have heard me callin to some talk shows in CT, I used to ask the Shef supporting hosts a simple question:

How come little black kids cant learn unless they sit next to little white kids?

I hoped to point out the total hypocricy of their stance: that little sheff (who is now 22?) could learn if he actually read his books and did his homework, and the teachers held them to that standard.

Instead, we get this politically correct midnight-basketball logic: Black kids cant learn in a black school unless we control their environment through government action; translating to the idea that we must send them to suburban schools where there is less crime already because we dont want to deal with the crime issue/lack of parental support issue/lack of personal discipline issue.

I am so sick of the dems using race as the underlying issue in all things that are only due to personal behaviour and character.
26 posted on 02/28/2003 7:12:25 AM PST by RaceBannon
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To: cgbg
I do not think that the schools should be teaching morality, for that is one of the reasons we have the problems we do today: we have the governments version of morality!

We need a statewide effort to have the governor to call in all preachers in the towns and cities and tell them to start preaching about sin and a responsibility to God, that will cause people to think of right and wrong, which is where these problems arise from.

Next, we need to stop thinking that gimmmicks are the solution, when the solution is more work, harder studying, more homework and higher standards, and holding to those standards!

Switching schools because one school system is bad? Dont even think of stopping that which is bad in the bad system, just change the school the kid goes to? Leave the bad school bad and not even try to fix it?

Sounds like a joke I tell about how clean I keep my apartment:

Clean? Why Clean? Just move!
27 posted on 02/28/2003 7:17:40 AM PST by RaceBannon
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To: zuggerlee
you can force children to learn

Actually I don't know whether you can"force children to learn".

I do know that disruptive kids must be removed from the classroom immediately. I do know that young criminals are still criminals and need harsh and swift punishment.

Will they learn from that? Maybe, maybe not. However kids who are on the border trying to decide whether to be criminals or not will reconsider if the costs outweigh the benefits in their eyes.

I am primarily arguing that the adults have to set high standards, live by those standards, enforce those standards.

Then education becomes possible. Without that base line in place the schools are a total waste of time, are abusive to children, and should be closed immediately.
29 posted on 02/28/2003 8:06:27 AM PST by cgbg
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To: RaceBannon
I hoped to point out the total hypocricy of their stance: that little sheff (who is now 22?) could learn if he actually read his books and did his homework, and the teachers held them to that standard.

You're expecting way too much Race! ;^)

It's got nothing to do with the fact that many little inner-city kids don't even bother to show up to school a good amount of time. Witness the celebration over 70% attendance on the first day along with the obligatory prizes and give-aways to those who actually show up. I don't care how much money you dump into the inner-city schools (and Lord knows in this state they dump a ton), if the kid's parents can't get them to go to school, they ain't never gonna learn nothin'. Whether the teachers teach or not.

It's a vicious cycle. Many inner-city parents have a disdain for education and pass that on to their unwitting children who only see what their parents allow them to see. They in turn, put forth no effort when it comes to their education, drop out, then have kids who they then pass their outlook onto. Until truancy and not punking out (that is being the aggressor) are demoted as status symbols in many city schools, nothing will change.

30 posted on 02/28/2003 8:31:08 AM PST by LoneGOPinCT (From the Land of Liberalty. All we are saying is give pizza chants.)
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To: cgbg
But, but, but, but punishing the "children" flies in diametric opposition to mindset endorsed by the liberal adgenda!

How can this be? Children are so pure! None must be left behind! They're our FUTURE!!

Surely we dare not embrace the hate-filled, Christian "Spare The Rod" philosophy . . .

31 posted on 02/28/2003 5:32:27 PM PST by BraveMan
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