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Posted on 02/28/2003 6:35:58 AM PST by conservativecorner
The internet has been a Godsend. People who believe in freedom and rights have made changes in the past decade. I've seen FReepers make such a difference and now we can start informing other people about this. Bring it to the light and it can be defeated.
If they won't maybe us as individual citizens, along with the truly free press members that I know some of us have worked with, should. I know by first hand experience what these creeps are all about. Anyone I've spoken with on this fantasic site will ^. I hate thoughts of horror but everyone needs to prepare for an all out disunity assault by the true leaders of this "peace" movement" when we start receiving grisly images nonstop.
Thank goodness. I just got off the phone with my young (early 30's) nephew. He said he has been sending out things he is finding on these groups to everyone he knows. I told him about them and he started researching on his own.
Now if we can just get SOMEONE/ANYONE in the media to start doing some "investigative" research and reporting!!
Hopefully, very soon, some savvy reporter is going to become the next Bernstien or Woodward and get inside these groups and report how anti-american and dangerous they are!! Perhaps O'Reilly or Sean Hannity and Alan Colmes. I don't know.. I just know it really needs to be exposed.
FRegards, Vets
I just had a conversation not 15 minutes ago with my nephew regarding these groups. I also predicted that they will turn extremely violent when we go into Iraq and the war begins. Unfortunately misguided but innocent people will be out on the streets with them and get hurt too. Many innnocent people will be harmed. Many innocent business owners will be harmed. I happen to think it will have SEVERE economical impacts. Which is all part of the master plan.
Destroying America IS their AGENDA. They are trying to undermine anything to do with American policy. If they win,... we lose BIG TIME. And God protect us all if America is weakened in this way by the enemies of our country. On our own soil no less!!
EX presidents Clinton and Carter are so ignorant as to feed into these groups. It is subversive, seditious, and traitorous to be speaking out during a time our troops are going into harms way and against their Commander in Chief. It is unprecedented for an EX president to speak out against a sitting Presidents policy's period!!
No EX president has EVER done this.. so we have truly hit an all time low with Clinton and Carter.
A tad off the subject, but Turkey is vascilating the way it is, because after the first Gulf War, they were left hanging. They were harmed SEVERELY financially. Well, President Bush was not re-elected. So taking care of our allies fell to whom????
Constantly we are shown ways that the Clinton administration made America and the World a LESS safer place to live.
Lets just pray that someone in the media.. will start to investigate and really look into these groups.. THEN REPORT their findings!!!
We are shocked it hasn't happened yet. It defies logic that groups could organize so WELL and so quickly, and have the money to buss 100's of thousands of anti-war demonstrators in within a month!! Not only here in America.. but around the world.
So why has NO ONE reported on these exceptional organizational skills??
These are dangerous times for America. A time when we MUST stand united. And not with our enemies. Had our Congress and the American people stood more united, I happen to think this whole thing might have already been over. The chances for a safe peaceful resolution, were better if we had all stood together.
But I also think more Americans are BEHIND the President than against him. It is just this very PUBLIC/MEDIA picture that is totally misrepresenting all of us, which makes the headlines.
We didn't see the couple thousand people who showed up to rally in Texas, or the hundreds in other states on tv yesterday did we?
Anyway... I digress. I'm just extremely frustrated and sickened that we have allowed these kinds of groups to march against us in our own country. They are taking advantage of our basic freedoms, then using Non-profit tax status to boot!!! All in an effort to do America harm!!
FRegards, Vets
A viler evil than to murder a man, is to sell him suicide as an act of virtue. A viler evil than to throw a man into a sacrificial furnace, is to demand that he leap in, of his own will, and that he build the furnace, besides. --Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged
Sound like anyone we're all familiar with? Like Osama? Or Saddam (by paying $25,000 to families of suicide bombers)?
2.(RESERVED for Sung,Mugabe,Chiracveztien you get the picture!)
Priority # 3
World Socialist Web Site and Socialist Equality Party Public Conference Socialism and the Struggle Against Imperialism and War: the Strategy and Program of a New International Working Class Movement The World Socialist Web Site and the Socialist Equality Party are sponsoring a public conference on the weekend of March 29-30, 2003 in Ann Arbor, Michigan. The subject of the conference will be “Socialism and the Struggle Against Imperialism and War: the Strategy and Program of a New International Working Class Movement.” The significance and urgency of this conference arise directly from two interrelated developments: (1) the decision of the Bush administration to invade, plunder and colonize Iraq; and (2) the emergence of a massive international movement of social opposition to the war plans of American and British imperialism. Two massive forces stand opposed to each other. As the New York Times has noted with a sense of astonishment: “The fracturing of the Western alliance over Iraq and the huge antiwar demonstrations around the world this weekend are reminders that there may still be two superpowers on the planet: the United States and world public opinion.” To put it more bluntly, the emerging power that confronts American imperialism is not another state, but the masses of ordinary working people all over the world who hate war and oppression in all its forms. But the struggle between these two forces is still an unequal one. While American imperialism and its accomplices are conscious of their interests and goals and will stop at nothing to achieve them, the working class remains as yet without a clear political program on which it can base its struggle for peace, social equality, democratic rights, international solidarity and a better world. The purpose of this public conference is to initiate a serious discussion on the political program that is necessary to build, strengthen and unify the international movement against imperialism and war. In organizing this conference, the World Socialist Web Site and Socialist Equality Party advance the following fundamental political principles as the basis of the discussion: 1. The genuinely mass base for the struggle against imperialism and war is the American and international working class. 2. The great potential strength of the working class can be realized only if it is mobilized independently of and in opposition to the political parties of big business. In the United States, this means, first and foremost, fighting to end the political subordination of working people to the Democratic Party. The working class must build its own political party and fight for power. 3. The struggle against war can be waged systematically and effectively only to the extent that it is directed against the socioeconomic system that produces war—that is, against capitalism and for socialism. 4. The fight against war requires the international unity of the working class. On this basis, we urge readers of the World Socialist Web Site to register for the conference and come to Ann Arbor on March 29-30
But a national debate needs to be heard on these people and their right to peacefully co-exist amoung us. Remember there is alot of folks who have been sold a bill of goods that they were simply signing on to a "peace movement" which in and of itself is not a crime.
Active participation in seeking to overthrow our democratically elected form of government is absolutely treason. Look closely at their stated purpose for meeting in Ann Arbor is though. It is to peacefully meet and begin forming a political party. That does not scare me because they will always lose in a debate on ideas and if they want to come out and completely replace/ make irrelevant the Democratic party I saying Bully to them. At least now I will truly know where each candidate that carries their endorsement stands. I think this will solidify the conservative movement in our country as well.
Anyway this is NOT something urgent enough right now that we should allow it to deflect attention from our current actions in Gulf, our troops are going to need all of our support very soon. It is simply time to stop confusing American citizens with the false "peace" movement. Out them and trust in the overall goodness of our population to do the right thing. Domestic tranquility at home and security aboard is the big picture we all need to unite behind. I respect your opinions and am glad you are ready to defend your principles at all costs. It is the strenght of true patriots such as yourselves that will see us through these turbulent times. Long Live LIBERTY and the American way.
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