The Forgotten Photos

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[a_Turk]

KADEK is the new name of PKK. This is a Kurdish terrorist organization, listed as such by the US DoS. This organization has ties to the leaders of the PUK nad the KDP in northern Irak.

Turkey has been exposed to terrorism for years that has never been experienced before in any country. This terrorism has shown itself in various forms. Unfortunately, in the end thousands of our innocent people have lost their lives (approx 36000), thousands of people have become disabled, and economic loss worth of millions (that's really billions) of dollars has been realized.

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[a_Turk]

>> I am sympathetic to the Kurdish situation in Iraq

So am I...

[_Jim]

This country has a regrettable history of making the most inappropriate alliances ...

THIS assumes, in 100% hindsight *now*, that we knew CLEARLY that things would EVENTUALLY head SOUTH.

Such is not the case - so much of LIVING is making the *best* decision at the time given what information is available.

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[ChemistCat]

The photos stun me.

Turks in small villages are warm, open, incredibly generous people. Targeting them for political purposes is like beating a puppy because of a bad day at work. I truly pray that at the end of the process we're starting over there, this terrorism too will be reined in. Surely Saddam's presence is not helping any of this.

[a_Turk]

>> Surely Saddam's presence is not helping any of this.

Nor are Talabani and Barzani..

[Nogbad]

Ping

[RecentConvert]

I wonder what happened to Ochalan. Did he ever get the death penalty?

[a_Turk]

Ocalan was given the death penalty, which was then commuted to life after Turkey abolished the death penalty about 8? months ago..

Ocalan recently appealed to the European Human Rights Court on grounds that he had been mistreated, but the court found against him on that.

That varmin's gonna rot..

[Lurker]

I prefer this one:

Turkish Genocide

How many Armenians did you guys murder? Was it one million or was it two million....

L

[irish guard]

WE Americans are still stunned by the failure of your country's government to allow our soldiers to use Turkey as a northern base. Just a month ago, we twisted arms among our European allies to make sure that if attacked, NATO would protect you. For this we get held up for ransom and your Parliament votes us down.

No offense, but sheesh that sucked and we are upset. It won't stop us, but doggone it, that is not the kind of friendship we take kindly to. What was the Parliament thinking?

[a_Turk]

>> Was it one million or was it two million....

The number keeps changing, so I don't know.

How many Native Americans did you murder?

[a_Turk]

>> WE Americans are still stunned by the failure of your country's government to allow our soldiers to use Turkey as a northern base.

So am I, stunned. There were a variety of considerations.

The minority party in Parliament saw the anti-populist position of the ruling party as an opportunity to wrest votes.

The reasons 27% of the parliamentarians of the ruling party did not toe the party line were varied. All who defied the party line were first and foremost worried about their votes. Not being able to get the US to sign the agreement reached, photo reports of militias of terror supporting leaders in northern Irak getting armed by the US, and a US DoS SNAFU all contributed to the decision of those 27%.

Too bad. This was going to be our nations' chance to get much closer.. Good luck.

[Stultis]

I am sympathetic to the Kurdish situation in Iraq, as you may have gathered, but in no way am I sympathetic to the PKK. Their tactics are reminiscent of the tactics of the Viet Cong. Anyone that purposely targets innocents has already lost their souls. And whatever you have to do to get the guys that do these things is also just fine with me.

Turkey already kicked their asses and captured their leader. As a result the Kurds in Turkey made nice, and I believe (correct me here, a_Turk) that some concessions were extended after the ass-kicking to Turkish Kurds along the lines of limited local rule, or being able to use their own language in schools or somesuch. The Turks just don't want to have to do it all again, and are nervous about the Kurdish pot being stirred by the Iraq situation. They are also worried about mistreatment or displacement (from lucrative oil regions) of ethnic Turks in predominantly Kurdish northern Iraq. (I don't think the Kurdistan enthusiasts understand how much these ethnic groups are intermixed in the region.)

BTW, I think I am correct in saying that, until America defeated the Taliban and al-Qaeda in Afghanistan, the Turks, in their war against the PKK and other Kurdish separatists, were the only regular army in modern history to defeat a native, insurgent force in mountainous terrain.

[RecentConvert]

Thanks, and thanks for correcting my spelling of Ocalan.

If anyone deserved the death penalty, this thug sure did.

Saw some of those photos. Gruesome! I just could not continue.

[a_Turk]

>> I am sympathetic to the Kurdish situation in Iraq, as you may have gathered, but in no way am I sympathetic to the PKK.

Same here. These people are my brothers and sisters. But their leaders take advantage of them and support the PKK.

>> Turkey already kicked their asses and captured their leader.

Thank you CIA and Mossad for helping us nab the sucker from the Greek embassy in Kenya.

>> As a result the Kurds in Turkey made nice,

These guys are/were based out of northern Irak. They just firebombed a nursery in Turkey. The leaders in northern Irak are showing their litle "stick".

[RecentConvert]

Thanks for posting the truth.

[Lurker]

No problem.

L

[Lurker]

We didn't do a whole lot of this:

But you guys did.

Regards,

L

[RecentConvert]

WE Americans are still stunned by the failure of your country's government to allow our soldiers to use Turkey as a northern base.

Hopefully Turkey will now be kicked out of NATO and isolated. They can also kiss their dreams goodbye of ever joining Christian EU. This latter must never, ever come to pass or there will be hell to pay.

[RecentConvert]

Seems there is a silver lining to everything.