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Complaint brings end to Scout troop for juvenile offenders at Vernon Hills center
The Southtown Daily Herald (Suburban Chicago) ^ | 3/8/03 | Mick Zawislak

Posted on 03/08/2003 9:38:19 AM PST by RonF

What began three years ago as part of a highly-publicized program to help troubled boys has been quietly dropped by the 19th Judicial Circuit Court. The charter of Boy Scout Troop 19, based at the Depke Juvenile Justice Complex in Vernon Hills, was allowed to expire March 1 in response to concerns by the American Civil Liberties Union.

"We decided it probably would be best served not to continue," said Bob Zastany, executive director of the court's administrative office. "We thought we were doing some good things out there." The ACLU and others, most notably Buffalo Grove resident and well-known atheist Rob Sherman, generally have questioned the use of public funds to operate what he once described as a "discriminatory private club."

Sherman was unable to be reached Friday for comment regarding Troop 19. Ed Yohnka, director of communications for the ACLU of Illinois, said this wasn't a new issue for the group. He said the court did the right thing. "We've expressed concerns to a number of government agencies, including this particular court about their serving as a sponsor of an organization that has a discriminatory policy," he said.

The U.S. Supreme Court in 2000 ruled that as a private organization, the Boy Scouts can restrict its membership and leaders. The decision originated with a lawsuit by a gay Scout leader who was dismissed from a New Jersey troop. Atheists also are prohibited from joining.

Established in February 2000, Troop 19 was touted as the first formed with boys sentenced to probation. The 19th Judicial Circuit Court was the chartering agency for the troop operated by the juvenile probation and detention services division. Participants were boys aged 14 to 16 in the in-house treatment program at Depke, known as FACE-IT, or Family and Community Engaged in Treatment. That program is limited to 12 boys and is not associated with the detention center's general population.

The Boy Scout connection, the 19th Circuit said in 2000, would help instill "the exemplary values of character, citizenship and fitness" and build the teens' self-esteem. On Thursday nights, the troop would meet for about 90 minutes to learn skills such as first aid. On weekends, the troop would go on nature hikes or other activities. Participants who were interested in continuing in the Scouts after their stay were given referrals, although Zastany was unsure if or how many pursued Scouting after they left the center. "You plant enough seeds and you get a tree here and a tree there and sometimes you get some fruit," he said.

Sherman took his case to the Lake County Board last year, saying the use of public funds to operate the troop violated federal civil rights laws. The county funds FACE-IT, which distributed money to the troop. He also objected to judges and other judicial system employees working with a group that has discriminatory rules. Zastany said he and his staff closely studied the matter before recommending to Chief Judge Margaret J. Mullen the charter be allowed to lapse. Mullen could not be reached Friday for comment. "It was just a prudent decision on our part to let it lapse and regroup," Zastany said. "We're going to create programming and opportunities for these kids that will be even better."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: atheism; boyscouts; bsa; bsalist; illinois; robsherman; scouts
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To: RonF
"Rob did this previously in the Chicago area. If I'm not mistaken, he tried to force a southwest suburban Cub Scout Pack that was sponsored by a public school to accept his son as a member after crossing out the part of the application that mentions God."

Yes, he did that. He's also been one of the leading instigators of suits all over the area to force religious symbols out of the public eye. In addition to forcing references to God off govm't seals and such, messing with scouting, he's been a party suits to have churches take their crosses off their steeples, 'cause people can see them and are offended.

He was arrested for domestic violence a few years ago and had his laser sighted pistol confiscated. He beat his kid one night for something the kid did. Kid called the cops. I'll bet it's the same kid that he's trying to protect from folks that believe in god, like the boy scouts that allow their members to hold any religion. When the judge asked him what it was about, Sherman told him, "I was just trying to put the fear of god in him." He also tried to get the pistol back on the grounds that folks were out to get him. The man's a psycho.

41 posted on 03/08/2003 4:48:45 PM PST by spunkets
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To: spunkets
There seems to be a lesson in all of this - government sponsored groups have to cave into certain rules of behaviour. That seems to be the common thread in all these lawsuits.

So, people who do things on their own, and stop relying on government money, have more opportunity to do what they want and do it with who they want to do it with.

Carried forward to it's logical conclusion, this could become a trend, if only people would/could stop depending on government money.

42 posted on 03/08/2003 4:55:23 PM PST by Bernard
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To: Bernard
I understand and support the idea that tax dollars shouldn't go to fund private groups. That includes the NEA, PBS, and all the various and sundry other orgs. That doesn't include renting, or allowing any orgs in the community from using the space in public buildings, or as in this case, funding some of the expenses for their efforts to correct the deficiencies in these youth offenders. They are after all one of the groups in the community that volunteer their services to the community to address these problems. This being a Free country, any law abiding group should be able to extend their services, recieve some compensation where it would otherwise go anyway and in a more substantial sum, without having to abandon their core values and beliefs.
43 posted on 03/08/2003 5:21:21 PM PST by spunkets
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To: Lloyd Grey
ping
44 posted on 03/08/2003 5:34:16 PM PST by Jeff Chandler ( ;)
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To: gcruse
Should Gay activist groups be forced to hire conservatrive Christians who believe homosexuality is sinful as leaders of their organizations?
45 posted on 03/08/2003 5:48:39 PM PST by RAT Patrol
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To: RAT Patrol
You know, in the case of hiring the leader, let's say, of a gay activist group, believing in gay rights would probably be necessary to fulfill the role of fundraising and proselytizing. But if the group is looking for a clerk/typist, it should not matter.
46 posted on 03/08/2003 5:58:05 PM PST by gcruse (When choosing between two evils, pick the one you haven't tried yet.)
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To: gcruse
I think it would matter -- rightly -- to them, even if you're a clerk/typist.
47 posted on 03/08/2003 6:19:43 PM PST by RAT Patrol
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To: RAT Patrol
Can a prospective employer ask a prospective clerk/typist during the job interview what their views are on homosexuality? I think there be legal dragons there.
48 posted on 03/08/2003 6:26:20 PM PST by gcruse (When choosing between two evils, pick the one you haven't tried yet.)
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To: RonF
Gosh...let's make sure the boys get rocks kicked in their gear-box. This is disgusting. May the ACLU rot in HELL.
49 posted on 03/08/2003 6:30:07 PM PST by pointsal
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To: RAT Patrol
Actually, the BSA may well find themselves in just this position. The Chicago Area Council was sued after a gay man applied for a job with them and was turned down after stating that he was gay. Understand that this was for a paying job with them, not a volunteer position (nationally the BSA has about 4000 full-time employees). The CAC fell afoul of the Chicago Civil Rights Commission, which is charged with enforcing Chicago's municipal anti-discrimination statute. Said statute forbids discrimination on the basis of (among other things) sexual orientation.

The hearings have been going back and forth. It looks as though it may be settled on the basis that the CAC can ban homosexuals from policy-setting or explicating positions (such as District Executive), but not positions such as clerk/typists.
50 posted on 03/08/2003 6:57:53 PM PST by RonF
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To: gcruse
Churches (of God) do not allow unrepentant atheists as members. Likewise with the Boy Scouts, which is a quasi-religious organization.
51 posted on 03/08/2003 8:53:03 PM PST by stands2reason
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To: gcruse
Discrimination for me but not for thee does sound familiar.

Not sure I follow you. I'm not discriminating against anyone in this instance.

52 posted on 03/08/2003 8:54:54 PM PST by stands2reason
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To: RonF
There are more thoroughbred race horse farms in Lake county than any county in Kentucky.
53 posted on 03/08/2003 9:18:14 PM PST by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get)
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