Complaint brings end to Scout troop for juvenile offenders at Vernon Hills center

The Southtown Daily Herald (Suburban Chicago) ^ | 3/8/03 | Mick Zawislak

[spunkets]

"Rob did this previously in the Chicago area. If I'm not mistaken, he tried to force a southwest suburban Cub Scout Pack that was sponsored by a public school to accept his son as a member after crossing out the part of the application that mentions God."

Yes, he did that. He's also been one of the leading instigators of suits all over the area to force religious symbols out of the public eye. In addition to forcing references to God off govm't seals and such, messing with scouting, he's been a party suits to have churches take their crosses off their steeples, 'cause people can see them and are offended.

He was arrested for domestic violence a few years ago and had his laser sighted pistol confiscated. He beat his kid one night for something the kid did. Kid called the cops. I'll bet it's the same kid that he's trying to protect from folks that believe in god, like the boy scouts that allow their members to hold any religion. When the judge asked him what it was about, Sherman told him, "I was just trying to put the fear of god in him." He also tried to get the pistol back on the grounds that folks were out to get him. The man's a psycho.

[Bernard]

There seems to be a lesson in all of this - government sponsored groups have to cave into certain rules of behaviour. That seems to be the common thread in all these lawsuits.

So, people who do things on their own, and stop relying on government money, have more opportunity to do what they want and do it with who they want to do it with.

Carried forward to it's logical conclusion, this could become a trend, if only people would/could stop depending on government money.

[spunkets]

I understand and support the idea that tax dollars shouldn't go to fund private groups. That includes the NEA, PBS, and all the various and sundry other orgs. That doesn't include renting, or allowing any orgs in the community from using the space in public buildings, or as in this case, funding some of the expenses for their efforts to correct the deficiencies in these youth offenders. They are after all one of the groups in the community that volunteer their services to the community to address these problems. This being a Free country, any law abiding group should be able to extend their services, recieve some compensation where it would otherwise go anyway and in a more substantial sum, without having to abandon their core values and beliefs.

[Jeff Chandler]

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[RAT Patrol]

Should Gay activist groups be forced to hire conservatrive Christians who believe homosexuality is sinful as leaders of their organizations?

[gcruse]

You know, in the case of hiring the leader, let's say, of a gay activist group, believing in gay rights would probably be necessary to fulfill the role of fundraising and proselytizing. But if the group is looking for a clerk/typist, it should not matter.

[RAT Patrol]

I think it would matter -- rightly -- to them, even if you're a clerk/typist.

[gcruse]

Can a prospective employer ask a prospective clerk/typist during the job interview what their views are on homosexuality? I think there be legal dragons there.

[pointsal]

Gosh...let's make sure the boys get rocks kicked in their gear-box. This is disgusting. May the ACLU rot in HELL.

[RonF]

Actually, the BSA may well find themselves in just this position. The Chicago Area Council was sued after a gay man applied for a job with them and was turned down after stating that he was gay. Understand that this was for a paying job with them, not a volunteer position (nationally the BSA has about 4000 full-time employees). The CAC fell afoul of the Chicago Civil Rights Commission, which is charged with enforcing Chicago's municipal anti-discrimination statute. Said statute forbids discrimination on the basis of (among other things) sexual orientation.

The hearings have been going back and forth. It looks as though it may be settled on the basis that the CAC can ban homosexuals from policy-setting or explicating positions (such as District Executive), but not positions such as clerk/typists.

[stands2reason]

Churches (of God) do not allow unrepentant atheists as members. Likewise with the Boy Scouts, which is a quasi-religious organization.

[stands2reason]

Discrimination for me but not for thee does sound familiar.

Not sure I follow you. I'm not discriminating against anyone in this instance.

[philetus]

There are more thoroughbred race horse farms in Lake county than any county in Kentucky.