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They're coming out of the woodwork: Russert, Buchanan and Moran
Jewish World Review ^ | March 13, 2003 | Tony Blankley

Posted on 03/13/2003 5:01:11 AM PST by SJackson

Every few days I become re-amazed, saddened and fearful at the solid and valuable institutions that are being damaged and perhaps destroyed by the march to war that started on September 11, 2001. As a supporter of the president, and a grim but determined endorser of war against Saddam Hussein's Iraq, I recognize that mine is one of the many hands holding up the chisel against those institutions. But I wonder whether we will be able to build new structures half as serviceable and enduring as those we may be in the process of destroying.

Of course, I have in mind the United Nations, NATO and our amicable relations with much of Europe, particularly France and Germany. Flawed as those organizations and traditions may be, if they have served their time and must be discarded, we will have to replace them with something, or risk returning to a lonely, every-country-for-itself law of the jungle. The United Nations may be a farce, but it nonetheless embodies the hope of the ages of a brotherhood of nations sharing a common, peaceful vision.

Once, European Christendom offered that vision. Then the League of Nations, and after its failure the U.N. assumed the role. If the U.N has come to the end of its utility, so be it. But there must be another iteration of the grand old dream.

People rightly cling to a hope of something better than dog eat dog. And if the so-called realists can see only the U.N.'s material flaws and not the dreams that built the edifice, they are no realists at all, but mere fools. The stubborn resistance of most Europeans, and less but still numerous Americans, to support war without a U.N. endorsement is testament to the strength of that vision -- even when its focus is on the derelict tenement of the United Nations.

And there is one other tradition being overturned: the inadmissibility in polite company of questioning the patriotism of Jews. This last tradition, born as the world saw the unspeakable business of the gas chambers and ovens of Auschwitz and Dachau, has for a half a century kept at bay the ancient, always-lurking wolf of anti-Semitism. The taboo, the absolute ban, against questioning Jewish loyalty doubtlessly sheltered a few individuals who fit the definition. After all, most people hold some special feelings for their mother country.

(My family, which emigrated from England, when applying for American citizenship in the 1950s hesitated before affirming that we were prepared to bear arms against England if America and England were at war with each other.)

And for a few of each ethnicity those special feelings may cross over to dual loyalty. I'm sure it is true for a few Anglo-Americans, Irish-Americans, Polish-Americans, Jewish-Americans and fill-in-the-blank Americans.

However, because of the terrible history and ubiquity of anti-Semitism, the Western world spontaneously established the taboo against talking about such things after the Nazi-inflicted holocaust shocked humanity to its core. But now, as the specter of a war of civilizations hovers over the impending war against Iraq (even as we pray ... and have reason to expect -- that the Iraqi war will not precipitate such a cataclysm), the taboo is being violated: first, on the edges of polite society; then whispered in more respectable domains; and finally, on Feb. 23, on "Meet the Press," stated out loud by its host and NBC Vice President and Washington Bureau Chief Tim Russert. He asked Richard Perle, a leading advocate of the president's policy: "Can you assure American viewers ... that we're in this situation against Saddam Hussein and his removal for American security interests? And what would be the link in terms of Israel?"

If such a respectable citadel of the establishment as Russert's "Meet the Press" can air such a question, we could expect worse, and soon. And we got it this week.

First congressman Jim Moran suggested a successful Jewish plot to manipulate public opinion for the war, and then, my old friend Pat Buchanan published a withering, 5,000-word analysis of the evolution of thought of Richard Perle and other supporters of the president's Iraq policy, the peroration of which was the tasteless question and answer: "Who would benefit from a war of civilizations between the West and Islam? Answer: one nation, one leader, one party. Israel, Sharon, Likud."

As a student of history Pat couldn't help but be applying to Israel the old Nazi slogan: Ein Volke, ein Reich, ein Fuhrer (one people, one government, one leader.) Nothing good can come of this. Does mankind need yet another lesson of where this path leads? The idea that President Bush, Colin Powell, Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld are risking so many American lives if they didn't honestly believe it was for American security interests (or because they have all been mentally manipulated by a few Jewish staffers) is not only beneath contempt, but is ludicrous on its face.

I wish my old friend Pat, even now, would refocus his powerful mental energies at the argument and not at the religion or patriotism of some of the arguers. While I disagree with his argument about the consequences of the war, events may yet prove him right. But no event can make right the manner by which he makes his argument. Tim Russert should never have asked that question.

I will, reluctantly, help hold up the chisel against a dysfunctional United Nations. But when it comes to questioning the motives of Jewish-Americans (or other Americans), count me out.

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To: FRgal4u
State your prior usernames. You're fooling no one.
21 posted on 03/13/2003 5:43:51 AM PST by rdb3 (rdb3, Tha SYNDICATE, and now bringing the FIRE to Project 21. Uh, oh...)
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To: SJackson
I do not know why, with the evidence from his own mouth continuing to convict him, that some FReepers still doubt that Pat Buchanan is a blatant anti-semite.
22 posted on 03/13/2003 5:44:35 AM PST by sinkspur
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To: wideawake
It was out of bounds. It asks if we're in this for our own security interests or because of an Israeli agenda.

It clearly plants the idea that Jews behind the scenes drive U.S. foreign policy. It is reprehensible.
23 posted on 03/13/2003 5:44:59 AM PST by xzins (Babylon, you have been weighed in the balance and been found wanting!)
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To: Peach
I shouldn't post a word before that second cup of tea.

LOL...I know the feeling.
24 posted on 03/13/2003 5:45:09 AM PST by mr.pink
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To: sinkspur
I do not know why, with the evidence from his own mouth continuing to convict him, that some FReepers still doubt that Pat Buchanan is a blatant anti-semite.

I'd guess support for his views on immigration and isolation makes it easy for some to avert their eyes from the rest of the package.

25 posted on 03/13/2003 5:48:39 AM PST by SJackson
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To: SJackson
Wonder how much the Israelis taking out Saddam's nuclear factory in the 80s was worth

They did us ONE big favor even if it was in their own interest
26 posted on 03/13/2003 5:52:36 AM PST by uncbob ( building tomorrow)
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To: SJackson
There is little doubt that Russert is implying that the Iraq war is a Jewish conspiracy. After all, he quoted a think tank paper from 1996, where there are tens of thousands of think tank papers every year.
27 posted on 03/13/2003 5:54:54 AM PST by LarryM
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To: SJackson
Israel is our only real friend in the Middle East. We darn well better support them.
28 posted on 03/13/2003 5:56:05 AM PST by randita
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To: rdb3
FRgal4u signed up 2003-02-18.

How long before the moderators pull this plug on this bigot?
29 posted on 03/13/2003 6:16:35 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Stamp out Freepathons! Stop being a Freep Loader! Become a monthly donor!)
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To: SJackson
You posted, "I'd guess support for his views on immigration and isolation makes it easy for some to avert their eyes from the rest of the package.

It appears that many of Pat's anti immigration for anyone hawks are willing actors for his words. Whenever, GW tries to expand his base and to appeal to others, we hear the words, "He is abandoning his core!" I think many of us have cracked the code about what "core" really means.

30 posted on 03/13/2003 6:21:20 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Stamp out Freepathons! Stop being a Freep Loader! Become a monthly donor!)
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To: SJackson
David Frum's rebuttal and charges re Buchanan

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/862987/posts

An Oped by David Frum:

“We charge that a cabal of writers who misuse the title of ‘conservatives’ are rallying to defend an Iraqi dictator who has waged war on American allies, attempted to assassinate an American president, fired on American aircraft, and who is now arming to threaten Americans with mass murder.


“We charge them with making common cause with left-wing radicals and radical Islamists, former communists and other people who hate the United States – all in order to prematurely halt the war on terror and preserve the Iraqi dictator’s rule.


“We charge them with forgetting George Washington’s warning in his Farewell Address against ‘habitual hatred’ for any nation – and instead allowing their unreasoning loathing of the Jewish state to lead them into what Washington condemned as a ‘passionate attachment’ to Baathist Iraq.


“We charge them with disregarding their wartime duty to lay aside their prejudices and resentments for the sake of the common good. We charge them with attempting to undermine a conservative Republican president in a moment of national emergency. We charge them with acting as excuse-makers for America’s enemies. We charge them with failing to put America first.”

31 posted on 03/13/2003 6:23:05 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Stamp out Freepathons! Stop being a Freep Loader! Become a monthly donor!)
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To: wideawake
Well put.

Rather than searching for anti-Semitism under every rock

Unfortunatly it is getting to the point where you don't have to look real hard to find it.
At one time not to long ago I thought that anti-Semitism in this country was all but dead, sad to say I was wrong.
32 posted on 03/13/2003 6:27:54 AM PST by Valin (Age and deceit beat youth and skill)
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To: Peach
I don't owe Jewish society any debt.
33 posted on 03/13/2003 6:32:32 AM PST by taxed2death
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To: Valin
That is indeed the problem - professors are teaching students to hate Jews on the most influential campuses in America.

That scares me a lot more than Sunday morning smarm.

34 posted on 03/13/2003 6:34:09 AM PST by wideawake (You'd better look out for me - I'm a member of the F.V.K.)
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To: sinkspur
You're confusing Pro-Americanism with Anti-semitism. Jews fail to realize that sometimes what's good for America may not be good for Israel. So be it.
35 posted on 03/13/2003 6:34:38 AM PST by taxed2death
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To: FRgal4u
As long as the Sharonites wont settle a peace plan with the Palestinains,
You forgot to close your sarcasm tag. You are being sarcastic aren't you? Please tell me you are.

why he thinks the Oslo accord sucks
How about only one side whats to live in peace?
You're getting dangerously close to the moral equivalency argument, and you really don't want to go there!

America blood will shed for this nonsense there...period.
And just what nonsense would that be?

36 posted on 03/13/2003 6:37:18 AM PST by Valin (Age and deceit beat youth and skill)
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To: Peach
It seems many have forgotten the debt owed to Jewish society by nearly permitting their near extinction.

Nonsense

You may owe them a debt, if you were a European of that generation. I am not and I don't.
I categorically reject the idea that "we" owe any debt to groups for what our ancestors may or may not have done to them.
Amerinds, blacks, Jews, Albigensians, Celts.
I have never done anything to them or had any obligation to stop anyone else from doing anything to them.

This wussie liberal implicit guilt just makes it harder to focus on the real issues.

At the moment the US and Israel have a common interest and a common enemy.
That enemy is radical Islam.

So9

37 posted on 03/13/2003 6:38:52 AM PST by Servant of the Nine (We are the Hegemon. We can do anything we damned well please.)
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To: SJackson
Two lefties and a rightist wacko proove anti-semitism is alive and well.
38 posted on 03/13/2003 6:40:07 AM PST by ZULU (You)
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To: FRgal4u
Y'know, the more I read this forum and some others, the more I'm convinced that the the only difference between self-described paleocons and Nazis is that the paleocons realize that the public display of Nazi practices and overt admiration of Nazi ideals doesn't play well to the outside world.
39 posted on 03/13/2003 6:40:51 AM PST by Chancellor Palpatine (those who unilaterally beat their swords into plowshares wind up plowing for those who don't)
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To: Peach
The Neville Chamberlains of their time permitted the near extinction of the entire Jewish population in Europe

By that logic, all of us, Jews and gentiles, Americans, Brits, Israelis, Arabs, Chinese, et al, are repsonisble for genocide in Rawanda. How many of us intervened?

In fact, back in the 1980s, the Left argued that if you allow people to die of starvation in a famine, then you murdered them.

By this article's logic (refusing to stop another's act equals doing the act) everyone on the planet is guilty of murder. Including the article's author.

40 posted on 03/13/2003 6:45:14 AM PST by Commie Basher
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