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Libertarians Join Liberals in Challenging Sodomy Law
NYTimes ^ | March 19, 2003 | LINDA GREENHOUSE

Posted on 03/19/2003 12:48:02 AM PST by RJCogburn

The constitutional challenge to the Texas "homosexual conduct" law that the Supreme Court will take up next week has galvanized not only traditional gay rights and civil rights organizations, but also libertarian groups that see the case as a chance to deliver their own message to the justices.

The message is one of freedom from government control over private choices, economic as well as sexual. "Libertarians argue that the government has no business in the bedroom or in the boardroom," Roger Pilon, vice president for legal affairs at the Cato Institute, said today, describing the motivation for the institute, a leading libertarian research organization here, to file a brief on behalf of two gay men who are challenging the Texas law.

Dana Berliner, a lawyer for the Institute for Justice, another prominent libertarian group here that also filed a brief, said, "Most people may see this as a case purely about homosexuality, but we don't look at it that way at all." The Institute for Justice usually litigates against government regulation of small business and in favor of "school choice" tuition voucher programs for nonpublic schools.

"If the government can regulate private sexual behavior, it's hard to imagine what the government couldn't regulate," Ms. Berliner said. "That's almost so basic that it's easy to miss the forest for the trees."

The Texas case is a challenge to a law that makes it a crime for people of the same sex to engage in "deviate sexual intercourse," defined as oral or anal sex. In accepting the case, the justices agreed to consider whether to overturn a 1986 precedent, Bowers v. Hardwick, which upheld a Georgia sodomy law that at least on its face, if not in application, also applied to heterosexuals.

While the Texas case has received enormous attention from gay news media organizations and other groups that view the 1986 decision as particularly notorious, it has been largely overshadowed in a busy Supreme Court term by the challenge to the University of Michigan's affirmative action program. The justices accepted both cases on the same day last December, and briefing has proceeded along identical schedules. The Texas case will be argued March 26 and the Michigan case six days later, on April 1.

Although libertarian-sounding arguments were presented to the court as part of the overall debate over the right to privacy in the Bowers v. Hardwick case, they were not the solitary focus of any of the presentations then. The Institute for Justice had not yet been established, and the Cato Institute, which dates to 1977, had not begun to file legal briefs. Whether the arguments will attract a conservative libertarian-leaning justice like Clarence Thomas, who was not on the court in 1986, remains to be seen.

More traditional conservative groups have entered the case on the state's side, among them the American Center for Law and Justice, a group affiliated with the Rev. Pat Robertson that is a frequent participant in Supreme Court cases.

The split among conservatives demonstrates "a diversity of opinion among our side," Jay Alan Sekulow, the center's chief counsel, said today. He said the decision to come in on the state's side presented a "tough case, one that we approached with reluctance." He said he decided to enter the case after concluding that acceptance of the gay rights arguments by the court might provide a constitutional foundation for same-sex marriage.

The marriage issue also brought other conservative groups into the case on the state's side. "The Texas statute is a reasonable means of promoting and protecting marriage — the union of a man and a woman," the Family Research Council and Focus on the Family told the court in a joint brief.

While the Texas case underscores the split between social and libertarian conservatives, it is evident at the same time that the alliance between the libertarians and the traditional civil rights organizations is unlikely to extend further. The two are on opposite sides in the University of Michigan case, with both the Cato Institute and the Institute for Justice opposing affirmative action while nearly every traditional civil rights organization has filed a brief on Michigan's side. The Bush administration, which filed a brief opposing the Michigan program, did not take a stand in the Texas case.

In 1986, when the court decided Bowers v. Hardwick, half the states had criminal sodomy laws on their books. Now just 13 do. Texas is one of four, along with Kansas, Oklahoma, and Missouri, with laws that apply only to sexual activity between people of the same sex. The sodomy laws of the other nine states — Alabama, Florida, Idaho, Louisiana, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina, Utah and Virginia — do not make that distinction. The Georgia law that the Supreme Court upheld was later invalidated by the Georgia Supreme Court.

The Texas law is being challenged by John G. Lawrence and Tyron Garner, who were found having sex in Mr. Lawrence's Houston apartment by police officers who entered through an unlocked door after receiving a report from a neighbor that there was a man with a gun in the apartment. The neighbor was later convicted of filing a false report. The two men were held in jail overnight, prosecuted and fined $200 each. Represented by the Lambda Legal Defense and Education Fund, they challenged the constitutionality of the law and lost in a middle-level state appeals court. The Texas Supreme Court refused to hear the case.

The United States Supreme Court's decision to take the case has been interpreted on both sides as an indication that the court is likely to rule against the state. Both Texas and the organizations that have filed briefs on its side devote considerable energy in the briefs to trying to convince the justices that granting the case was a mistake, a choice of tactics that is usually an indication of concern that a decision that does reach the merits will be unfavorable.

If the justices do strike down the Texas law, the implications of the decision will depend on which route the court selects from among several that are available. The court could find that by singling out same-sex behavior Texas has violated the constitutional guarantee of equal protection. Because the Bowers v. Hardwick decision did not address equal protection, instead rejecting an argument based on the right to privacy, such a decision would not necessarily require the court to overrule the 1986 precedent.

The Lambda Legal Defense and Education Fund's brief for the two men urges the court to go further and rule that any law making private consensual sexual behavior a crime infringes the liberty protected by the Constitution's due process guarantee. Several arguments in its brief appear tailored to Justice Sandra Day O'Connor, who voted with the majority in Bowers v. Hardwick but is now assumed, on the basis of her later support for abortion rights and her votes in other due process cases, to be at least open to persuasion.

For example, the brief includes a quotation from Jane Dee Hull, then the Republican governor of Arizona, where Justice O'Connor once served in the Legislature, on signing a bill repealing the state's sodomy law in 2001. "At the end of the day, I returned to one of my most basic beliefs about government: It does not belong in our private lives," Governor Hull said.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News
KEYWORDS: 3branchesofgovt; homosexualagenda; ifitfeelsgooddoit; itsjustsex; legislatefromcourts; libertariansliberals; nonewtaletotell; peckingparty; sodomylaws; usualsuspects
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To: george wythe
LOL! Even HV, who rejects the whole notion of "rights" to live as a free citizen, claims to support equality before the law. I predict a no-show in attempting to rebut this argument, as retreat followed by a bogus claim of victory seems to be HV's style.
81 posted on 03/19/2003 9:42:26 AM PST by steve-b
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To: Emmylou
No, sorry for you. Homosexuals have no right to socialize the consequences of their depraved behavior on me or anyone that does not engage in a self-destructive lifestyle.

Almost 3,000 children per year die of congenital AIDS in this country. If AIDS had been contained and the bath-houses shut down in the first place, would that number of children be higher, or lower?

82 posted on 03/19/2003 9:42:52 AM PST by HumanaeVitae
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To: george wythe
For instance, if my daughter turns out to be a lesbian, she will be as capable as any other woman to contribute to any society, large or small.

She'll also have a limited lifespan as opposed to a heterosexual woman, a greater likelihood for drug abuse, suicide, and emotional disorders.

Homosexuals cannot survive without heterosexuals. Your statement that many homosexuals do marry and have children. That's not the point. It's their behavior as homosexuals that is dangerous and destructive to society.

83 posted on 03/19/2003 9:46:23 AM PST by HumanaeVitae
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To: Aquinasfan
I understood that. Yes, society pays for the needs of both. The difference between these cases is that aging isn't voluntary while homosexuality is.

Can we use this argument to extend to smoking? Should smoking be illegal by this criteria?

85 posted on 03/19/2003 9:47:13 AM PST by realpatriot71 (legalize freedom!)
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To: Protagoras
I have never seen you rant about hetrosexual sin.

What, you haven't seen my posts on porno? Surprising...

86 posted on 03/19/2003 9:48:06 AM PST by HumanaeVitae
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To: HumanaeVitae
What, you haven't seen my posts on porno?

They quickly turn to rants about how it starts with nekkid wimmin, but escalates to depictions of [drum roll] ho-mo-sex-su-uls.

Anything you'd care to share with the group?

88 posted on 03/19/2003 9:50:31 AM PST by steve-b
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To: Emmylou
Too many freepers want the government to enforce morality. They don't believe in the concept of individual freedom and responsibility. You also see this on the drug threads where people who favor no drug laws are called druggies even though they themselves do not use.
89 posted on 03/19/2003 9:51:11 AM PST by breakem
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To: realpatriot71
Can we use this argument to extend to smoking? Should smoking be illegal by this criteria?

That's a prudential consideration. In other words, is trying to ban smoking worse than the smoking itself?

The same question applies here to sodomy laws. Is trying to regulate sodomy worse than not trying to regulate sodomy? That's the question that should be placed before the people of Texas, and should not be decided by a bunch of robed pervert-hugging elitists in the judiciary.

If the people of Texas want to repeal that law, I can say nothing against it. But there is no "right" to sodomy. Period.

90 posted on 03/19/2003 9:51:24 AM PST by HumanaeVitae
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To: HumanaeVitae
behavior as homosexuals that is dangerous and destructive to society.


Do you agree that cunnilingus and fellatio should be banned, whether between man and woman, or man and man, or woman and woman?

Do you consider cunnilingus and fellatio destructive to society?


As I said, I have no problem with a state or county having sodomy laws, as long as they are applied to everyone.

92 posted on 03/19/2003 9:51:50 AM PST by george wythe
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To: kidd
If I am more comfortable driving on the left side of the road, shouldn't we regulate my "behavior" because my "behavior" puts myself and others at risk?

One can make a "risk" argument for just about anything. The question comes into play what determines a reasonable risk to you and yours by my actions. Is it reasonable to assume that if I drive on the left side of the road that I will cause and accident, because everyone else happens to be driving on the right - yes. With two guys having sex in a private residence, you cannot show the same direct correlation for harm to you and yours.

93 posted on 03/19/2003 9:51:59 AM PST by realpatriot71 (legalize freedom!)
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To: HumanaeVitae
http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/amendVIIIs10.html
94 posted on 03/19/2003 9:53:25 AM PST by Roscoe
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To: HumanaeVitae
That's a prudential consideration.

To some people (e.g. Clowntoon wondering what he can do today without getting caught and punished), these issues boil down to "a prudential consideration".

To principled people, they boil down to matters of principle.

95 posted on 03/19/2003 9:53:41 AM PST by steve-b
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To: Emmylou
Why do people who want to "control" sodomy always advocate putting gays in prison with other men?

That's funny, you know.

I'd rather have homosexuals in jail than out on the streets molesting young children.

96 posted on 03/19/2003 9:53:48 AM PST by HumanaeVitae
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To: HumanaeVitae
I'd rather have homosexuals priests in jail than out on the streets molesting young children.

Just adding an inescapable corrolary to your position.

97 posted on 03/19/2003 9:55:13 AM PST by steve-b
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To: HumanaeVitae
I have not. I also have not heard you attack hetrosexual premarital sex. Maybe you have, but many here are obsessed by same gender sex.

The subject isn't about these behaviors as much as you might like it to be. It is about laws which attempt to impose criminal restrictions on non coersive activities between consenting adults.

It's easy to be against sin, but harder to justify using violence to do what God has no need of you doing. He is capable without your guns.

98 posted on 03/19/2003 9:55:16 AM PST by Protagoras
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To: george wythe
No, what I am saying is that there is no "right" to homosexual behavior. This law was passed by the people of Texas. If they want to repeal it, let them. I happen to think that this law is appropriate and justified. That's what I'm arguing here.
99 posted on 03/19/2003 9:55:48 AM PST by HumanaeVitae
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To: Emmylou
Where is Caligula when you need him?
100 posted on 03/19/2003 9:57:39 AM PST by HumanaeVitae
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