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Libertarians Join Liberals in Challenging Sodomy Law
NYTimes ^ | March 19, 2003 | LINDA GREENHOUSE

Posted on 03/19/2003 12:48:02 AM PST by RJCogburn

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To: HumanaeVitae
I'd rather have homosexuals in jail than out on the streets molesting young children.

Pitiful to continue this childish attempt to link homsexuality with child molestation.

Hetrosexuals commit more molestations than homosexuals. Lets jail all hetrosexuals under the same theory.

101 posted on 03/19/2003 9:58:05 AM PST by Protagoras
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To: HumanaeVitae
No, what I am saying is that there is no "right" to homosexual behavior.

There is no legitimate power to regulate sexual behavior between consenting adults.

102 posted on 03/19/2003 9:59:47 AM PST by Protagoras
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103 posted on 03/19/2003 9:59:57 AM PST by Roscoe
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To: HumanaeVitae
this law is appropriate and justified.

So cunnilingus and fellatio is OK between man and woman, but cunnilingus and fellatio is not OK between woman and woman, or man and man.

Is that "equality under the law?"

How "equal" is to allow a man to perform cunnilingus, but not to allow a woman to perform cunnilingus?

104 posted on 03/19/2003 10:01:45 AM PST by george wythe
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To: HumanaeVitae; Emmylou
Question for thread libertarians--

We all know that bums sell their bodies to medical schools for medical experimentation after they die. Medical schools could not teach without this.

So, let's say I'm a libertarian and I believe that the only immoral act is the initiation of force, fraud or coercion. Furthermore, I am not opposed to any behavior that is not voluntarily contracted.

So, I open up a restaurant that buys peoples' bodies to reprocess as food in my restaurant, called the Gunga Diner. Note--people voluntarily contract to give me their bodies after they die of natural causes (no force initiated) and my customers freely agree to eat human flesh. For a libertarian, there should be no problem with this right?

How about it libertarians? Voluntarily contracted cannibalism ok with you guys?

105 posted on 03/19/2003 10:02:52 AM PST by HumanaeVitae
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To: george wythe
Can't wait for the answer to this question, especially since I noted that HV's anti-rights formulation of morality would have no problem whatsoever with Jim Crow.
106 posted on 03/19/2003 10:03:04 AM PST by steve-b
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To: george wythe
Equality under the law does not speak to behaviors, george. See below.
107 posted on 03/19/2003 10:04:09 AM PST by HumanaeVitae
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To: Roscoe
Nazis and Bosco boys


108 posted on 03/19/2003 10:04:09 AM PST by Protagoras
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To: HumanaeVitae
Took you this long to trot out the tired old shock-jock Argument Helper[tm]?

Sorry, but "helper" only helps if you have meat to begin with, and you don't (human or otherwise).

109 posted on 03/19/2003 10:04:22 AM PST by steve-b
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To: HumanaeVitae
So, let's say I'm a libertarian and I believe that the only immoral act is the initiation of force, fraud or coercion.

You lie with alarming regularity.

110 posted on 03/19/2003 10:05:18 AM PST by Protagoras
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To: Protagoras
Bungled it again, I see.
111 posted on 03/19/2003 10:06:01 AM PST by Roscoe
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To: HumanaeVitae
Equality under the law does not speak to behaviors, george.

Ah, so you confirm that your concept of "equality before the law" permits you to distinguish between 1)the depositing of a ballot into a box by a hand lighter in color that the box's wood and 2)the depositing of a ballot into a box by a hand darker in color that the box's wood -- permitting the former and prohibiting the latter.

Gotcha.

112 posted on 03/19/2003 10:06:10 AM PST by steve-b
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To: HumanaeVitae
Sorry, see above, Gunga Diner example. How about it, Emmylou? You've quite a snarky sense of humor...see if you can finess that one. Care to respond?
113 posted on 03/19/2003 10:06:57 AM PST by HumanaeVitae
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To: Roscoe
Nope, I see you in there.
114 posted on 03/19/2003 10:07:51 AM PST by Protagoras
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To: HumanaeVitae
Ok, so you open up your sick restaurant.

And it goes out of business because people don't want to eat there (big surprise).

No law is needed, imagine that.

There is no law against eating dog poo. And lo and behold, people don't eat it.

You don't need government to dictate every aspect of your life. If you try real hard, you can do it yourself. Give it a try, it's liberating.

115 posted on 03/19/2003 10:08:09 AM PST by freeeee
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To: RJCogburn
Up THEIRS TOO!
116 posted on 03/19/2003 10:09:30 AM PST by Henchman
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To: RJCogburn; newgeezer
"Sodomy cops open up!!!"
117 posted on 03/19/2003 10:09:50 AM PST by biblewonk (Spose to be a Chrissssstian)
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To: Protagoras
Nobody else does.

The requested URL /p/ap/20030227/capt.1046358730.egypt_arabs_antiwar_iraq_xhj102.jpg was not found on this server.
118 posted on 03/19/2003 10:09:57 AM PST by Roscoe
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To: freeeee
Wait, hold on...what if it is successful? Is that morally wrong? My restaurant is on my property, and I'm not hurting anyone, right? How could anyone shut me down?
119 posted on 03/19/2003 10:10:31 AM PST by HumanaeVitae
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To: Emmylou
Besides, most states no longer have sodomy laws on the books; do schools in those states teach people to be gay?

Yes, they do. Homosexual activism is glorified in public schools across the nation.

As I stated before, I have been told that the homosexuals in question deliberately got themselves arrested. Trust me, police are not breaking down doors all over Texas to arrest homosexuals.

120 posted on 03/19/2003 10:11:26 AM PST by Zack Nguyen
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