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The new League of Free Nations
Accuracy In Media/Academia ^ | 03/14/2003 | William R Alford

Posted on 03/20/2003 10:31:58 AM PST by walford

While the UN has on occasion been able to grudgingly acquiesce to defending against aggression, removing the offending dictatorship has always been beyond consideration. Peace and dictatorship cannot coexist; thus there must be another way.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: bush; commentary; conservative; diplomacy; iraq; middleeast; polemic; terrorism; un; war

1 posted on 03/20/2003 10:31:59 AM PST by walford
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To: walford
The New League of Freedom Nations. We'll call it the Freedom League. There is a secondary league. It is called the United Nations, and has many thug nations, and old biddy nations like France and Germany.
2 posted on 03/20/2003 10:34:27 AM PST by Enterprise
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To: Enterprise
Once you have accepted the idea that the U.N. is basically a debating society, and once one realizes that they will never have a credible military presence or deterrent, it is a short jump to the idea that the U.N. could be easily replaced by a limited access BBS system on the internet.

Allow only diplomats to post in the headline forums, and have subordinate forums open to public input. Each nation gets one diplomat authorized to post to the headline forums. Simple, easy, cheap and exactly as useful and effective as the U.N. for a very tiny fraction of the cost. Just an idea.
3 posted on 03/20/2003 10:40:17 AM PST by Billy_bob_bob ("He who will not reason is a bigot;He who cannot is a fool;He who dares not is a slave." W. Drummond)
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To: walford; Allan; The Great Satan
The League of Free Nations

This idea has legs.

4 posted on 03/20/2003 10:40:59 AM PST by Mitchell
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To: walford
The only other way is no more U.N. or any other by what ever name. The rest of the world can do what they want without our 25% money support. As is, since we the tax payers foot 25% of the bill, we are the U.N., and we don´t need them.
5 posted on 03/20/2003 10:41:43 AM PST by GatĂșn(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: walford
bump for freedom league
6 posted on 03/20/2003 10:46:54 AM PST by Centurion2000 (Take charge of your destiny, or someone else will)
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To: walford
Shuck the Untied Nations and any other version of it --

This Country can, and has, survived just fine without any interference from any other nation !!
7 posted on 03/20/2003 10:57:39 AM PST by Coto (What Is It About A Person's Race or Point-of-Origin that Gives THEM the RIGHT to BREAK our LAWS ??)
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To: walford
I wrote this on Tuesday, and have been discussing similar ideas (and seen others write about it) for months. Keep up the publicity--we will see support for this after the war.

The myopic support for the UN in some parts of the US is a testament to the sad state of schooling in this country. I think a big part of the attachment to the UN is the allegiance everyone is taught to principles of democracy, platitudes such as "one man, one vote" and "majority rules".

Translated into global principles, this means to some numbskulls that the world should be governed by majority vote of the nations, and that those who don't accept what the other governments decree (as in Kyoto) are simply schoolyard bullies, refusing to submit to the civilized rules of a polite society, one that has debated and decided, and whose will must then be obeyed.

Let's break that thinking down, shall we:

In Libya, say, a young fellow not smart enough to promote himself from Colonel to General takes power from one strongman in a violent coup, and becomes a new strongman. What is a strongman? A nicety for a dictator, a person who is the only and ultimate political force within a polity. All political decisions, from the organization of the economic structures, ownership of property, allocation of government resources, conduct of military affairs, law, rights and issues of whether someone can continue to live, flow from this individual's will and no one else's.

This person, call him Daffy if you wish, is the person who determines what his country's vote within the UN. His will is no more a reflection of his country's will than any other person's, yet it is the one that counts within the UN.

By contrast, in another country, call it Freedistan, the President is elected by vote of the people. He is responsible for directing his country's foreign policy, including within the UN, but is constrained by the fact that he must be subjected periodically to the voters, and he does not pass the nation's laws, allocate its funds, or even determine the size of its military. All of those issues must be approved by a large body of haggling turkeys to whom the President must defer to and consult with if he wants to get anything through.

When that person then sets a policy at the UN, it may or may not reflect the thinking of his nation's will, but it usually does, and if it does not fairly reflect the polity from which it springs, the nation has methods of ensuring a change in regime.

By what muddled form of thinking does the will of one man, a tyrant who tortures those who disagree with him, merit the legitimacy of a "vote" at a body of Nations, a vote equal to the say of a person who has been chosen to represent a nation like Freelandia? I say the entire structure makes no sense, and not only is structured badly, but is a great force for evil, by perpetuating in easily misled minds that the will of such a body is worthy of consideration, and thus interfering with the beneficial efforts of representative and law-abiding societies to protect their interests in the world from the tyrants.

No nation deserves a "substantive" say in any international body unless that nation has passed a grueling set of tests that ensures that the position it takes within that body are the result of a political process designed to fairly reflect the views and beliefs of the people of that nation. Collections of national diplomatic corps which mingle democracies with dictators are fine for exchanging views, or organizing humanitarian efforts, but as a way to try to bind fair and free societies, they are anathema and should be avoided.

Instead, we need to educate the people of what I call "legitimate" governments to the notion that the UN is, for the most part, a collection of thugs and criminals, whose opinions are not relevant to, and certainly not binding upon, free societies. We should then begin the process of forming a "League of Free Peoples" (the LFP) or "Coalition of Legitimate Governments" (the CLG) or some such group, and only the actions of that body would merit any weight.

Its rules would reflect more accurately the weight that individual governments' views should be given (Iceland's vote would be worth less than ours, for example) and its actions would carry the actual imprimatur of international consensus. Initially, it would be composed of the US, Britain, Australia, Japan, the states of New Europe, as well as weasel democracies like France, Germany and Canada. If Russia, Chile and other semi-democratic states pass the tests of "legitimacy" they could be admitted.

8 posted on 03/20/2003 11:04:37 AM PST by Defiant ("I don't want to kill you, and you don't want to be dead"--Bush, to Iraq)
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To: Billy_bob_bob
I agree of course. The U.N. has long been a debating society. I watch these people and I wonder if they finally realize that they are superfluous. Their opinions, their debates, and their official proclomations mean nothing to anyone. All that is left is to try to keep convincing others to maintain them in their lavish lifestyle. The term "white elephant" comes to mind.
9 posted on 03/20/2003 11:18:07 AM PST by Enterprise
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To: walford
I like The Justice League(of America) better. Gives me a warm fuzzy.
10 posted on 03/20/2003 11:19:35 AM PST by SengirV
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To: SengirV
I very much appreciate the idea of an international body composed of governments subject to the mandate of their people. A government that is held into place by force is, by definition illegitimate and should have no place in any useful international body. The Realpolitik that resulted in Taiwan being ejected from the UN in the '70s in favor of the PRC is a case in point for the absurdity of the UN.

One area that I would differ with you is that nations that do not have the institutions in place that define limited representative government should be welcome if they demonstrate a sincere commitment to attaining it. They should be helped along and protected while democratization is ongoing.

On the other hand, countries like France and Germany that have the institutions but demonstrably lack the commitment to freedom by working to defend it should not be automatically admitted.
11 posted on 03/20/2003 11:57:01 AM PST by walford
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