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I was a naive fool to be a human shield for Saddam (MUST, MUST READ!)
The Sunday Telegraph ^ | March 23, 2003 | Daniel Pepper

Posted on 03/22/2003 7:02:58 PM PST by MadIvan

I wanted to join the human shields in Baghdad because it was direct action which had a chance of bringing the anti-war movement to the forefront of world attention. It was inspiring: the human shield volunteers were making a sacrifice for their political views - much more of a personal investment than going to a demonstration in Washington or London. It was simple - you get on the bus and you represent yourself.

So that is exactly what I did on the morning of Saturday, January 25. I am a 23-year-old Jewish-American photographer living in Islington, north London. I had travelled in the Middle East before: as a student, I went to the Palestinian West Bank during the intifada. I also went to Afghanistan as a photographer for Newsweek.

The human shields appealed to my anti-war stance, but by the time I had left Baghdad five weeks later my views had changed drastically. I wouldn't say that I was exactly pro-war - no, I am ambivalent - but I have a strong desire to see Saddam removed.

We on the bus felt that we were sympathetic to the views of the Iraqi civilians, even though we didn't actually know any. The group was less interested in standing up for their rights than protesting against the US and UK governments.

I was shocked when I first met a pro-war Iraqi in Baghdad - a taxi driver taking me back to my hotel late at night. I explained that I was American and said, as we shields always did, "Bush bad, war bad, Iraq good". He looked at me with an expression of incredulity.

As he realised I was serious, he slowed down and started to speak in broken English about the evils of Saddam's regime. Until then I had only heard the President spoken of with respect, but now this guy was telling me how all of Iraq's oil money went into Saddam's pocket and that if you opposed him politically he would kill your whole family.

It scared the hell out of me. First I was thinking that maybe it was the secret police trying to trick me but later I got the impression that he wanted me to help him escape. I felt so bad. I told him: "Listen, I am just a schmuck from the United States, I am not with the UN, I'm not with the CIA - I just can't help you."

Of course I had read reports that Iraqis hated Saddam Hussein, but this was the real thing. Someone had explained it to me face to face. I told a few journalists who I knew. They said that this sort of thing often happened - spontaneous, emotional, and secretive outbursts imploring visitors to free them from Saddam's tyrannical Iraq.

I became increasingly concerned about the way the Iraqi regime was restricting the movement of the shields, so a few days later I left Baghdad for Jordan by taxi with five others. Once over the border we felt comfortable enough to ask our driver what he felt about the regime and the threat of an aerial bombardment.

"Don't you listen to Powell on Voice of America radio?" he said. "Of course the Americans don't want to bomb civilians. They want to bomb government and Saddam's palaces. We want America to bomb Saddam."

We just sat, listening, our mouths open wide. Jake, one of the others, just kept saying, "Oh my God" as the driver described the horrors of the regime. Jake was so shocked at how naive he had been. We all were. It hadn't occurred to anyone that the Iraqis might actually be pro-war.

The driver's most emphatic statement was: "All Iraqi people want this war." He seemed convinced that civilian casualties would be small; he had such enormous faith in the American war machine to follow through on its promises. Certainly more faith than any of us had.

Perhaps the most crushing thing we learned was that most ordinary Iraqis thought Saddam Hussein had paid us to come to protest in Iraq. Although we explained that this was categorically not the case, I don't think he believed us. Later he asked me: "Really, how much did Saddam pay you to come?"

It hit me on visceral and emotional levels: this was a real portrayal of Iraq life. After the first conversation, I completely rethought my view of the Iraqi situation. My understanding changed on intellectual, emotional, psychological levels. I remembered the experience of seeing Saddam's egomaniacal portraits everywhere for the past two weeks and tried to place myself in the shoes of someone who had been subjected to seeing them every day for the last 20 or so years.

Last Thursday night I went to photograph the anti-war rally in Parliament Square. Thousands of people were shouting "No war" but without thinking about the implications for Iraqis. Some of them were drinking, dancing to Samba music and sparring with the police. It was as if the protesters were talking about a different country where the ruling government is perfectly acceptable. It really upset me.

Anyone with half a brain must see that Saddam has to be taken out. It is extraordinarily ironic that the anti-war protesters are marching to defend a government which stops its people exercising that freedom.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: blair; bush; epiphany; humanshields; iraq; iraqidissidents; saddam; uk; us; war; warlist
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To: PuNcH
sean penn couldnt even satisfy madonna! he,s a flammer
101 posted on 03/22/2003 8:57:08 PM PST by EL CALIENTE
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To: MadIvan
This is a great article. If you have a chance, read Rob Long's parady of Larry King interviewing two human shields in National Review. Rob Long's column is called The Long View. I can't find it online.
102 posted on 03/22/2003 9:03:29 PM PST by AUsome Joy
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To: Kevin Curry
This really should be posted at Democratic Underground.

But that will be the last place it shows up.

How long would it take to be banned on DU if you posted it?

103 posted on 03/22/2003 9:03:38 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Gulf War II: The Mother of All Surrenders)
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To: MadIvan
Anyone with half a brain didn't have to go to Baghdad to figure all this out.

These dumb schmucks (this guy's own word) are slow...reeeeeeeeeeeal slow.

104 posted on 03/22/2003 9:07:13 PM PST by Savage Beast (A fool is more dangerous than a scoundrel.)
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To: nicmarlo
OMG, what a convoluted mind Ritter has. I wonder how he can live with himself - he deserves nightmares of what he saw. He really has a bunch of screws loose.
105 posted on 03/22/2003 9:09:18 PM PST by Aria
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To: MadIvan
bump
106 posted on 03/22/2003 9:09:49 PM PST by jonatron (...with a pair of heavy duty zircon-encrusted tweezers in my hand.)
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To: MadIvan
Who's Smarter?

by Cindy Osborne (unknown to me but I hope correct in the following)

The Hollywood group is at it again. Holding anti-war rallies, screaming about the Bush Administration, running ads in major newspapers, defaming the President and his Cabinet every chance they get, to anyone and everyone who will listen. They publicly defile them and call them names like "stupid", "morons", and "idiots". Jessica Lange went so far as to tell a crowd in Spain that she hates President Bush and is embarrassed to be an American.

So, just how ignorant are these people who are running the country? Let's look at the biographies of these "stupid", "ignorant", "moronic" leaders, and then at the celebrities who are castigating them:

President George W. Bush Received a Bachelors Degree from Yale University and an MBA from Harvard Business School. He served as an F-102 pilot for the Texas Air National Guard. He began his career in the oil and gas business in Midland in 1975 and worked in the energy industry until 1986. He was elected Governor on November 8, 1994, with 53.5 percent of the vote. In a historic re-election victory, he became the first Texas Governor to be elected to consecutive four-year terms on November 3, 1998 winning 68.6 percent of the vote. In 1998 Governor Bush won 49 percent of the Hispanic vote, 27 percent of the African-American vote, 27 percent of Democrats and 65 percent of women. He won more Texas counties, 240 of 254, than any modern Republican other that Richard Nixon in 1972 and is the first Republican gubernatorial candidate to win the heavily Hispanic and Democratic border counties of El Paso, Cameron and Hidalgo. (Someone began circulating a false story about his I.Q. being lower than any other President. If you believed it, you might want to go to Urban Legends.com and see the truth.)

Vice President Dick Cheney Earned a B.A. in 1965 and a M.A. in 1966, both in political science. Two years later, he won an American Political Science Association congressional fellowship. One of Vice President Cheney's primary duties is to share with individuals, members of Congress and foreign leaders, President Bush's vision to strengthen our economy, secure our homeland and win the War on Terrorism. In his official role as President of the Senate, Vice President Cheney regularly goes to Capital Hill to meet with Senators and members of the House of Representatives to work on the Administration's legislative goals. In his travels as Vice President, he has seen first hand the great demands the war on terrorism is placing on the men and women of our military, and he is proud of the tremendous job they are doing for the United States of America.

Secretary of State Colin Powell Educated in the New York City public schools, graduating from the City College of New York (CCNY), where he earned a Bachelor's Degree in geology. He also participated in ROTC at CCNY and received a commission as an Army second lieutenant upon graduation in June 1958. His further academic achievements include a Master of Business Administration Degree from George Washington University. Secretary Powell is the recipient of numerous U.S. and foreign military awards and decorations. Secretary Powell's civilian awards include two Presidential Medals of Freedom, the President's Citizens Medal, the Congressional Gold Medal, the Secretary of State Distinguished Service Medal, and the Secretary of Energy Distinguished Service Medal. Several schools and other institutions have been named in his honor and he holds honorary degrees from universities and colleges across the country.

Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld Attended Princeton University on Scholarship (AB, 1954) and served in the U.S. Navy (1954-57) as a Naval aviator. Congressional Assistant to Rep. Robert Griffin (R-MI), 1957-59; U.S. Representative, Illinois, 1962-69; Assistant to the President, Director of the Office of Economic Opportunity, Director of the Cost of Living Council, 1969-74; U.S. Ambassador to NATO, 1973-74; head of Presidential Transition Team, 1974; Assistant to the President, Director of White House Office of Operations, White House Chief of Staff, 1974-77; Secretary of Defense, 1975-77

Secretary of Homeland Security Tom Ridge Raised in a working class family in veterans' public housing in Erie. He earned a scholarship to Harvard, graduating with honors in 1967. After his first year at The Dickinson School of Law, he was drafted into the U.S. Army, where he served as an infantry staff sergeant in Vietnam, earning the Bronze Star for Valor. After returning to Pennsylvania, he earned his Law Degree and was in private practice before becoming Assistant District Attorney in Erie County. He was elected to Congress in 1982. He was the first enlisted Vietnam combat veteran elected to the U.S. House, and was overwhelmingly re-elected six times.

National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice Earned her Bachelor's Degree in Political Science, Cum Laude and Phi Beta Kappa, from the University of Denver in 1974; her Master's from the University of Notre Dame in 1975; and her Ph.D. from the Graduate School of International Studies at the University of Denver in 1981. (Note: Rice enrolled at the University of Denver at the age of 15, graduating at 19 with a Bachelor's Degree in Political Science (Cum Laude). She earned a Master's Degree at the University of Notre Dame and a Doctorate from the University of Denver's Graduate School of International Studies. Both of her advanced degrees are also in Political Science.)

She is a Fellow of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences and has been awarded Honorary Doctorates from Morehouse College in 1991, the University of Alabama in 1994, and the University of Notre Dame in 1995. At Stanford, she has been a member of the Center for International Security and Arms Control, a Senior Fellow of the Institute for International Studies, and a Fellow (by courtesy) of the Hoover Institution.

So, who are these pompous, outspoken celebrity critics?

What is their education? What is their experience in affairs of State or in National Security? While I will defend to the death their right to express their opinions, I think that if they are going to call into question the intelligence of our leaders, we should also have all the facts on their education and background:

Barbra Streisand Completed High School Career: Singing and acting

Cher Dropped out of school in 9th grade. Career: Singing and acting

Martin Sheen Flunked exam to enter University of Dayton Career: Acting

Jessica Lange Dropped out college mid-freshman year Career: Acting

Alec Baldwin Dropped out of George Washington U. after scandal Career: Acting

Julia Roberts Completed High School Career: Acting

Sean Penn Completed High School Career: Acting

Susan Sarandon Degree in Drama from Catholic University of America in Washington, D.C. Career: Acting

Ed Asner Completed High School Career: Acting

George Clooney Dropped out of University of Kentucky Career: Acting

Michael Moore Dropped out first year University of Michigan. Career: Movie Director

Sarah Jessica Parker Completed High School Career: Acting

Jennifer Anniston Completed High School Career: Acting

Mike Farrell Completed High School Career: Acting

Janeane Garofelo Dropped out of College Career: Stand up comedienne

Larry Hagman Attended Bard College for one year Career: Acting

While comparing the education and experience of these two groups, we should also remember that President Bush and his cabinet are briefed daily, even hourly, on the War on Terror and threats to our security. They are privy to information gathered around the world concerning the Middle East, the threats to America, the intentions of terrorists and terrorist-supporting governments. They are in constant communication with the CIA, the FBI, Interpol, NATO, The United Nations, our own military, and that of our allies around the world. We cannot simply believe that we have full knowledge of the threats because we watch CNN.

These celebrities have no intelligence-gathering agents, no fact-finding groups, and no insight into the minds of those who would destroy our country. They only have a deep-seated hatred for all things Republican. By nature, and no one knows quite why, the Hollywood elitists detest Conservative views and anything that supports or uplifts the United States of America. The silence was deafening from the Left when Bill Clinton bombed a pharmaceutical factory outside of Khartoum, or when he attacked the Bosnian Serbs in 1995 and 1999. He bombed Serbia itself to get Slobodan Milosevic out of Kosovo, and not a single peace rally was held. When our Rangers were ambushed in Somalia and 18 young American lives were lost, not a peep was heard from Hollywood. Yet now, after our nation has been attacked on its own soil, after 3,000 Americans were killed by freedom-hating terrorists while going about their routine lives, they want to hold rallies against the war. Why the change? Because an honest, God-fearing Republican sits in the White House.

Another irony is that in 1987, when Ronald Reagan was in office, the Hollywood group aligned themselves with disarmament groups like SANE, FREEZE and PEACE ACTION, urging our own government to disarm and freeze the manufacturing of any further nuclear weapons, in order to promote world peace. It is curious that now, even after we have heard all the evidence that Saddam Hussein has chemical, biological and is very close to obtaining nuclear weapons, their is no cry from this group for HIM to disarm. They believe we should leave him alone in his quest for these weapons of mass destruction, even though it is certain that these deadly weapons will eventually be used against us in our own cities.

So why the hype out of Hollywood? Could these celebrities believe that since they draw such astronomical salaries, they are entitled to also determine the course of our Nation? That they can make viable decisions concerning war and peace? Did Michael Moore have the backing of the Nation when he recently thanked France, on our behalf, for being a "good enough friend to tell us we were wrong"? I know for certain he was not speaking for me. Does Sean Penn fancy himself a diplomat, in going to Iraq when we are just weeks away from war? Does he believe that his high school diploma gives him the knowledge (and the right) to go to a country that is controlled by a maniacal dictator, and speak on behalf of the American people? Or is it the fact that he pulls in more money per year than the average American worker will see in a lifetime? Does his bank account give him clout?

The ultimate irony is that many of these celebrities have made a shambles of their own lives, with drug abuse, alcoholism, numerous marriages and divorces, scrapes with the law, publicized temper tantrums, etc. How dare they pretend to know what is best for an entire nation! What is even more bizarre is how many people in this country will listen and accept their views, simply because they liked them in a certain movie, or have fond memories of an old television sitcom!

It is time for us, as citizens of the United States, to educate ourselves about the world around us. If future generations are going to enjoy the freedoms that our forefathers bequeathed us, if they are ever to know peace in their own country and their world, to live without fear of terrorism striking in their own cities, we must assure that this nation remains strong. We must make certain that those who would destroy us are made aware of the severe consequences that will befall them.

Yes, it is a wonderful dream to sit down with dictators and terrorists and join hands, singing Cumbaya and talking of world peace. But it is not real.. We did not stop Adolf Hitler from taking over the entire continent of Europe by simply talking to him. We sent our best and brightest, with the strength and determination that this Country is known for, and defeated the Nazi regime. President John F. Kennedy did not stop the Soviet ships from unloading their nuclear missiles in Cuba in 1962 with mere words. He stopped them with action, and threat of immediate war if the ships did not turn around. We did not end the Cold War with conferences. It ended with the strong belief of President Ronald Reagan... PEACE through STRENGTH.

107 posted on 03/22/2003 9:10:32 PM PST by jws3sticks ((Hillary can take a long walk on a short pier, anytime, the sooner the better!))
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To: MadIvan
Great post, thanks. Reality comes to some later than others - while many never experience it.
108 posted on 03/22/2003 9:29:17 PM PST by Lando Lincoln (God Bless the arsenal of liberty.)
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To: MadIvan
WOW!
109 posted on 03/22/2003 9:34:17 PM PST by bootless (Never Forget)
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To: MadIvan
Bump
110 posted on 03/22/2003 9:37:18 PM PST by Milanese
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To: Republic If You Can Keep It
"There is nothing so pathetic as seeing a beautiful young theory roughed up by a tough gang of facts."

That's one of the most eloquent pieces of prose I've seen in a while! :)
111 posted on 03/22/2003 10:01:29 PM PST by LiveFreeOrDieTryin (Support our Troops! Liberate Iraq! Peace Through Strength!)
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To: MadIvan
Great find, yet again, Ivan. Thank you.
112 posted on 03/22/2003 10:03:16 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma ( PRAY for our President and the troops)
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To: Incorrigible
Isn't it great?

I'm not surprised though. Once I heard the busload peacenik Human Shields that left for Baghdad months ago, turned around after they discovered 'this might get dangerous'...I figured...'Ahh, bless their cotton socks for their naivete...they'll be conservatives by the time the get off that bus!''
113 posted on 03/22/2003 10:09:33 PM PST by Happygal
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To: MadIvan
Right on, again, Ivan. Keep up the good work, Mate.
114 posted on 03/22/2003 10:13:31 PM PST by PhilipFreneau
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To: Happygal; All
Hi..

Speaking of a Support Our Troops Rally,

I have read through so many threads tonight, I saw a hideous pucture of peaceniks carrying a sign that said..

"We will support our troops when they shoot their officers"

It was far and away the most disgusting thing I have ever seen..

We are holding a "Support Our Troops Rally" in Auburn, Maine tomorrow, and I would like to have this to print out for handouts tomorrow, and title it "The Leftist Hall of Shame," trouble is, I can't remember which thread I read it on, could someone post that picture here for me?

I would be most grateful..

I'll wait around a bit..

Thanks so much

Ms.B
115 posted on 03/22/2003 10:30:51 PM PST by MS.BEHAVIN
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To: MS.BEHAVIN; MeeknMing
I don't know. But I've just pinged a man who might
116 posted on 03/22/2003 10:38:28 PM PST by Happygal
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To: Paleo Conservative
What amazes me is that the treasonous, idiotic protestors in San Fran, think that crapping and vomiting on everything is fine, but then want to complain that their night in jail was rude and cramped. Send them to Iraq for a few weeks, and see how they feel.
117 posted on 03/22/2003 10:42:59 PM PST by TheLurkerX ("When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro..." Hunter S. Thompson)
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To: nicmarlo
What he saw there excited his perverted mind and pushed him over the edge in seeking liaisons with children on the internet?
118 posted on 03/22/2003 10:45:48 PM PST by TFMcGuire (Unleash Chang!)
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To: MS.BEHAVIN
I think I can find it, too, if someone doesn't grab it for you first.
119 posted on 03/22/2003 10:48:14 PM PST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet ("Hey Dad...speaking of driving...")
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To: MadIvan
I am just a schmuck from the United States

Well said....and a Jew too.

Good lord what was he thinking. Doesn't he know Saddam used to kill Jews for entertainment?

Has he no sense of his own culture and heritage?

Sad.

120 posted on 03/22/2003 10:48:41 PM PST by wardaddy (G-dspeed our troops!)
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