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Dolphins Did Not 'Volunteer' for War, Animal 'Rights' Activists Say
CNSNews.com ^ | 3/26/03 | Marc Morano

Posted on 03/26/2003 5:06:41 AM PST by kattracks

(CNSNews.com) - Animal rights activists are blasting the U.S. Navy for its use of mine-detecting dolphins in the war with Iraq because, according to the activists, the marine mammals "have not volunteered" to be part of the war.

Stephanie Boyles, a wildlife biologist with People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA), said the use of dolphins to sweep for mines in Iraq is "just ridiculous."

"These are animals that, number one, have not volunteered to take part in this whatsoever. Number two, they are being put in harm's way...when they don't even know they are in harm's way," Boyles told CNSNews.com.

"There have been already enough victims in this world. We don't have to start adding other species to it," Boyles added.

Frank Gaffney, president of the Washington-based Center for Security Policy and a former assistant secretary of defense for international security policy under President Ronald Reagan, defended the use of the dolphins.

"My personal priority would be to save human lives and most especially American lives. If the dolphins can do so, hopefully at minimal risks to themselves and at great benefit to us, that seems to me to be a proper rendering of the priorities," Gaffney said.

Atlantic bottle-nosed dolphins were scheduled to arrive in the southern Iraqi port of Umm Qasr on Tuesday and were to be used for their natural sonar abilities to search the Iraqi coastline for hidden mines before humanitarian aid ships docked. Dolphins have a four-decades-long history of assisting the U.S. Navy.

U.S. Navy Captain Mike Tillotson told reporters in Iraq that the dolphins are trained to place a marker near any detected mines and avoid getting too close to the mines.

'Minds of Their Own'

But PETA believes animals should not play any role in the war with Iraq.

"Why are we spending time trying to train animals that have lives and minds of their own to try and carry out these tasks for us? That just seems a little archaic, not to mention unreliable," Boyles explained.

Boyles believes the use of dolphins to detect the presence of mines may cost lives because the dolphins may think the whole effort is a game.

"They have minds of their own; they don't realize the tasks they are being taught to perform are life and death. And when they don't perform correctly, human lives will be lost," predicted Boyles.

"[The dolphins] think this is a game, and yet the risk to their lives and the amount of suffering they may endure is great, and we don't seem to care about that," she added.

The animal "rights" activists are also concerned about the possible negative methods the U.S. military has used to train the dolphins.

"That's our great fear, that they are using negative reinforcement in order to train these animals," Boyles said.

"They are certainly not disclosing to us how they are training these animals," she added.

Boyles wanted to make it clear that PETA is in solidarity with America's fighting forces in Iraq.

"We support our troops. We have friends over there as well, and we believe they deserve the very best defense possible," Boyles said.

'Abominable'

But scores of dolphins swimming in Iraq's harbors and waterways are not going to give America's soldiers that defense, according to Boyles.

"[Dolphins] are not a good choice for the military, it's just ridiculous, and for them to try to convince the American public otherwise is abominable," she said.

Naomi A. Rose, a marine mammal scientist with the Humane Society of the United States (HSUS), said the animal "rights" group was "concerned about the welfare" of the dolphins but declined to denounce the use of them during wartime.

"As we have in the past, we will continue to express our concerns to the Navy and Congress about the military use of marine mammals, but while the war continues, we remain focused on the welfare of all those in the combat zone - human and animal," Rose told CNSNews.com.

Calls to the U.S. Navy regarding the concerns about the dolphins were not returned.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: dolphins; greenfifthcolumn; humanitarianrelief; mines; navydolphin; norfolknas; peta
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I knew it. Dolts!
1 posted on 03/26/2003 5:06:41 AM PST by kattracks
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To: kattracks
They were drafted. Get over it.
2 posted on 03/26/2003 5:07:24 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (eif eit smells eits french)
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To: kattracks
I guess search and rescue dogs shouldn't be used either.
3 posted on 03/26/2003 5:08:15 AM PST by max_rpf
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To: Flurry
They were drafted. Get over it.

I drafted a chicken for dinner last night...

4 posted on 03/26/2003 5:08:38 AM PST by Drango (Two wrongs don't make a right...but three lefts do!)
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To: kattracks
They are only worried about the "negative Training Methods" because they know how they "trained" thier kids.

The dolphins do not know they are in harms way, because they aren't in harms way....I am so fed up with PETA, I am so tempted to do something when I drive by thier headquarters here in Norfolk.
5 posted on 03/26/2003 5:09:44 AM PST by Zavien Doombringer (If I could get a degree in trivia, I would have my Doctorate!)
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To: kattracks
I wonder what the dolphin-mishap rate is, anyhow. I would surmise it is well nigh zero, because the dolphins are trained never to touch what they find. I never heard of a Purple Heart being issued to a dolphin :-)
6 posted on 03/26/2003 5:10:24 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (VRRR (Victory Rats Roastin' Rump))
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To: kattracks
Freakin' Unbelievable!
7 posted on 03/26/2003 5:10:48 AM PST by smiley
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To: kattracks
It remains unestablished whether cetaceans bear the responsibility of moral choice. Therefore, these people are screaming ninnies.
8 posted on 03/26/2003 5:11:26 AM PST by Unknowing (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country.)
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To: kattracks
"............Animal 'Rights' Activists Say"

Ah yes, there's the whole problem right there. Who cares WHAT animal rights activists say? I know "Flipper" doesn't.

9 posted on 03/26/2003 5:11:41 AM PST by You Gotta Be Kidding Me
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To: Drango
I drafted a chicken for dinner last night...

I had Chinese take-out. Probably cat.....

10 posted on 03/26/2003 5:12:57 AM PST by Snowy (My golden retriever can lick your honor student)
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To: kattracks
these people are wacked!
11 posted on 03/26/2003 5:13:33 AM PST by vigilante2
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To: kattracks
Can dolphins even set off a mine? Doesnt it take a certain amount of pressure that only a large ship can create?
12 posted on 03/26/2003 5:15:43 AM PST by Lunatic Fringe (When news breaks, we fix it!)
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To: vigilante2
If Saddam was shown to be killing puppies or cats the world would have signed on.
13 posted on 03/26/2003 5:16:07 AM PST by Afronaut
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To: kattracks
Wait until they find out that Morocco has offered monkey land-mine locators.
14 posted on 03/26/2003 5:20:31 AM PST by small voice in the wilderness
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To: Snowy
I drafted a chicken for dinner last night...

I had Chinese take-out. Probably cat.....

Cat was sometimes the suspicion of the mystery meat in Saudi souks, tho' camel carrion always had a higher probability. I suspect you had "puppy-on-a-stick. They're small, cuddly and tasty if prepared correctly, too, y'know.

15 posted on 03/26/2003 5:22:22 AM PST by woofer
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To: Drango
My Labrador Retriever did not volunteer to leave her mom and sibs. But she seems to have fallen in love with me and my better half. We drafted a cow for dinner last night. The lab drafted a bowl of Purina Pro Plan and a very unwilling bowl of water. I think we'll draft a chicken tonight or maybe a pizza.
16 posted on 03/26/2003 5:23:28 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (eif eit smells eits french)
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To: small voice in the wilderness
Yes and I am appalled. Monkeys are cute and very entertaining. Let's send lawyers they don't have any endearing traits and we have many to spare.
17 posted on 03/26/2003 5:25:39 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (eif eit smells eits french)
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To: kattracks
Oh they're just mad that dolphins are smarter than liberals. And more patriotic.
18 posted on 03/26/2003 5:27:03 AM PST by rintense (The tyrant will soon be gone... or extremely dead.)
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To: Unknowing
Personally, I have an issue with animals being trained to kill humans by delivering bombs, etc. It seems sort of like giving bombs to kids and telling them to go blow people up.

Killing shouldn't be done lightly, or unconsciously, which is how animals and kids would do it since they don't know what's going on and can't give a valid informed consent.

However, in this case and in the case of rescue dogs the animals are saving people's lives, not taking them. There's no moral quandary there.

The only issue is the safety of the critter, and any rescue dog handler can tell you that the safety of their dog is paramount. From what I've read these dolphin handlers are doing their utmost to keep their Flippers safe - they don't mark the mine itself, just set a flag near it.

So PETA needs to shut up.

LQ
19 posted on 03/26/2003 5:27:43 AM PST by LizardQueen
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To: kattracks
The left uses human shields. The right uses fish shields and big friggin' bombs!
20 posted on 03/26/2003 5:28:13 AM PST by Big Okie (I love mahi mahi.)
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To: kattracks
Why are we spending time trying to train animals that have lives and minds of their own to try and carry out these tasks for us? That just seems a little archaic, not to mention unreliable," Boyles explained.

Which explains why bomb sniffing dogs, handicapped assisting primates, falconry and my bird hunting springer are so unreliable..DIPSTICK!!!

21 posted on 03/26/2003 5:30:10 AM PST by bullseye1911 (Cocked, Locked and Ready to Rock!!!)
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To: kattracks
Why are we spending time trying to train animals that have lives and minds of their own to try and carry out these tasks for us? That just seems a little archaic, not to mention unreliable," Boyles explained.

Which explains why bomb sniffing dogs, handicapped assisting primates, falconry and my bird hunting springer are so unreliable..DIPSTICK!!!

22 posted on 03/26/2003 5:30:16 AM PST by bullseye1911 (Cocked, Locked and Ready to Rock!!!)
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To: rintense
:O)
23 posted on 03/26/2003 5:30:19 AM PST by kattracks
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To: Flurry
We have a Lab, too. And it's debateable who owns who ::lol::.

LQ
24 posted on 03/26/2003 5:31:55 AM PST by LizardQueen
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To: kattracks
When this peta person can prove to me she has done a mind-meld with the afor mentioned bottle-nosed dolphins, only then will I be slightly influenced as to the veracity of her comments vis-a-vis her knowledge of what goes on in a dolphins mind. It appears to me that mz so-and-so has squandered what the Lord and her parents chose to give her.
25 posted on 03/26/2003 5:32:19 AM PST by wita
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To: wita
Nice to see that PETA is on top of things. Took them what, 40 years to comment on the Navy using dolphins! I'm not so sure that brain trust Boyle would have know about this if it wasn't for CNN.
26 posted on 03/26/2003 5:36:23 AM PST by Boppo
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To: kattracks
Maybe these PETA @$$ho!es ought to voluntreer to chase Iraqi mines! You know, Save The Whales and all that?

That's about the only good use I can think of for them.

27 posted on 03/26/2003 5:36:53 AM PST by Gritty
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To: kattracks
These are animals that, number one, have not volunteered to take part in this whatsoever

They never said that they didn't want to take part in this activity, either.

28 posted on 03/26/2003 5:39:29 AM PST by ProudGOP (Suffers of Dyslexia: UNTIE)
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To: LizardQueen
True, I think she drafted us. When we're good she takes us for a walk and lets us give her treats.
29 posted on 03/26/2003 5:41:56 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (eif eit smells eits french)
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To: small voice in the wilderness
Wait until they find out that Morocco has offered monkey land-mine locators

.MONKEY BINGO

30 posted on 03/26/2003 5:45:08 AM PST by BubbaJunebug
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To: ProudGOP
They never said that they didn't want to take part in this activity, either.

And if these critters "feel" thay are being abused, they are free to swin out to sea.

Ms. Boyle uses a common leftist technique and claims to speak for the dolphins, when she doesn't, and if she thinks she can, let's have her produce proof that dolphins have been killed or injured "playing this game."

31 posted on 03/26/2003 5:47:15 AM PST by ez (Advise and Consent = Debate and VOTE!!)
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To: kattracks; Poohbah; Long Cut; section9; Dog; colorado tanker
More nonsense from the same sort of people who were suing to stop the SURTASS LFA program.
32 posted on 03/26/2003 5:48:42 AM PST by hchutch ("But tonight we get EVEN!" - Ice-T)
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To: kattracks
But then again, the dolphins didn't elect the 'animal rights activists' to speak for them.
33 posted on 03/26/2003 5:53:11 AM PST by wretchard
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To: hchutch
The scene: a Navy speedboat off Coronado, California.

A Navy SEAL with an innate ability to speak to marine mammals (known as "The Dolphin Whisperer") is looking at the Green Peas ship, the "Rainblow Worrier."

"What a bunch of putzes. OK, Flipper, let's do the minelaying exercise again."

Flipper cheerfully whistles, does a flip out of the water, and takes off at high speed.

A Navy Admiral is in the boat. "Lieutenant, how do you DO that?"

"Beats me, sir...I just can."

Flipper suddenly surfaces.

The Dolphin Whisperer: "What's up, Flipper?"

Flipper whistles.

"No, Flipper, you're not allowed to blow up the Green Peas people, even if they ARE playing Judy Collins into the water instead of Twisted Sister."
34 posted on 03/26/2003 5:59:35 AM PST by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: kattracks
Did PETA voice any concerns during the Iran-Iraq war when Iran marched children in human waves to clear land-based mine fields? Oh wait, human children are less important than non-human creatures. [/sarcasm]
35 posted on 03/26/2003 6:00:40 AM PST by jriemer (We are a Republic not a Democracy)
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To: Poohbah
LOL!!

Seriously, you can bet there will be lawsuits...
37 posted on 03/26/2003 6:06:22 AM PST by hchutch ("But tonight we get EVEN!" - Ice-T)
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To: Flurry
They were drafted. Get over it.

PETA needs to become more informed. These dolphins are the first draftees into the Charley Rangel Dolphin Task Force.

38 posted on 03/26/2003 6:06:53 AM PST by Night Hides Not
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To: Drango; Flurry
ROTFLMAO!!!! I myself drafted a cow last night for dinner!! I also drafted some potatoes, carrots and a loaf of bread, garlic not french.

These PETA folks are a hoot!!!
39 posted on 03/26/2003 6:08:34 AM PST by Ga Rob ("Consensus is the ABSENCE of Leadership" The Iron Lady)
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To: kattracks
During a recent visit to Sea World, I spoke with a dolphin who had gone through the Navy program. He said that he enjoyed military life, swimming in the wide open spaces, and feeling that he was accomplishing something for his country.

I was impressed.

40 posted on 03/26/2003 6:09:47 AM PST by legman ("If God is for us, who can be against us?")
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To: kattracks
Have a good friend who trained dolphins for years. They love interaction with people and are eager to take part in training "fun".

BTW, I think we used the wrong approach to try to convince these lunatics about Saddam's butchery. Instead of discussing the people he hung on meat hooks for torture, we should have lied and said they were actually rabbits. PETA would have signed onto the war immediately.
41 posted on 03/26/2003 6:10:16 AM PST by Tamzee ("Sabotage" and "Charade"....no French translation necessary.)
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To: kattracks
"bu-huh!! A personal attack never fed a starving child" to paraphrash Bill Clinton.

Bill Clinton also avoided war...

Dolphins "did not volunteer for war' - any peace activist

many peace activists avoid war...

...dolphins are helping to liberate Iraq and feed starving children...

...and that's my comparison. It's a shame when I respect a dolphin over a human being.

Note to PETA: STFU!


42 posted on 03/26/2003 6:11:18 AM PST by grumple
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To: Poohbah
Poohbah,

I would think Greenpeace's special playlist of Ethel Merman and Broadway show tunes would be enough to drive any dolphin swimming away at high speed...

jriemer

43 posted on 03/26/2003 6:15:20 AM PST by jriemer (We are a Republic not a Democracy)
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To: legman
Wow, I'm impressed!!! The last dolphin I talked to was not nearly as articulate. All he could say was:

ACKACK...ACKACKACKACK...ACK...ACKACKACKACKACK, while moving his head up and down rapidly.

I think he was begging for more fish...

44 posted on 03/26/2003 6:20:29 AM PST by Night Hides Not
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To: Night Hides Not
Wow, I'm impressed!!! The last dolphin I talked to was not nearly as articulate.

I was impressed, too. I am now convinced dolphins are more intellegent than 28% of Americans who respond to polsters regarding the war.

45 posted on 03/26/2003 6:24:47 AM PST by legman ("If God is for us, who can be against us?")
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To: kattracks
The Navy has been using these since Vietnam. I'm not sure how long peta has been around, but the fact that they waited until now to say anything is a bit odd if you ask me.
46 posted on 03/26/2003 6:32:30 AM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: Ga Rob
It is often necessary for someone to be irrelevent. We can't rely solely on the UN, the French, the Germans, the Canadians, the Mexicans, and the Russians to fill that role. Thank God PETA is there to take up the slack.
47 posted on 03/26/2003 6:41:31 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (eif eit smells eits french)
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To: kattracks
I'd like to shove a dolphin up their you-know-what.
48 posted on 03/26/2003 6:51:07 AM PST by OperationFreedom ( www.OperationFreedom.com)
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To: kattracks
"They are certainly not disclosing to us how they are training these animals," she added

HA! HA! HA! SHAME on us for not "disclosing" things to your arrogant @ss!!!

49 posted on 03/26/2003 6:56:21 AM PST by LRS
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To: kattracks

Dolphins have a four-decades-long history of assisting the U.S. Navy.

"[Dolphins] are not a good choice for the military, it's just ridiculous, and for them to try to convince the American public otherwise is abominable," she said.

So I guess the military has just been using dolphins for four decades because it's fun to watch dolphins. A delusional Stephanie Boyles "advertises" herself well.

50 posted on 03/26/2003 7:07:11 AM PST by Zon
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