Surprise, Mom: I'm Anti-Abortion

New York Times ^ | 3/30/03 | ELIZABETH HAYT

[Princeliberty]

Goes to show that Hillary needs to become
President because she knows how to deal
with all these people who don't think
correctly!
Off with their heads! The tyrant comes
to silence all those who oppose her.
Its a race between the younger generation
waking up to reality and goodness and
an American establishment that continues
to fall deeper into darkness on its
was to tyranny and who wins this struggle
will set the path for the whole planet
for centuries.
Hillary is no joke she truly is the most
evil figure to come on the American
landscape at such at high level of power
and with the Government so big and expansive.

[Black Agnes]

You gotta read the post my post replies to...

[MHGinTN]

Ping to #32.

[Concerned]

FOURDEUCE82D WROTE: "Not a fan of abortion, but WTF? What does the activity of the cardiac muscle have to do with whether or not I, you, or anyone else is a person protected from murder?...silly."

I believe the comparison Afton Dahl was trying to make is that even when someone is on their death bed, as long as they STILL have a heartbeat (i.e. one of the MEDICAL SIGNS of LIFE), they are considered ALIVE.

Since a PRE-BORN baby also has a heartbeat---at 12 to 18 days after conception (I've always heard 18 to 24 days)---it, too, MUST therefore ALSO be considered ALIVE.

BTW, in 1974, I was an ARDENT supporter of abortion rights. I changed my mind 180 degrees, however, when I had to do an UNBIASED simulated radio broadcast on a "controversial issue" for a Radio/TV/Film class at TCU. I THOUGHT it would be easy. I THOUGHT I would put what I then called "those religious nuts" to shame.

After forcing myself to have to FAIRLY INVESTIGATE the "other" side's arguments, I realized I was WRONG. And I realized that there are 3 questions that MUST be asked:

(1) Is "it" alive? Is "it" growing? No matter WHAT someone might want to call "it," "it" IS 100% BIOLOGICALLY ALIVE---from the MOMENT of conception! And in 9 months, barring abortion or miscarriage, a baby will be born.

(2) Is "it" human? Does "it" have DNA from a dog, cat, horse, zebra, or HUMAN? "It" has HUMAN DNA! "It" IS 100% BIOLOGICALLY HUMAN---from the MOMENT of conception!

(3) Would PETA allow a dog or cat to have its legs RIPPED OFF of its PRE-BORN body and its SKULL CRUSHED? Obviously, NOT!

Well, if "it" IS ALIVE, and "it" IS HUMAN, and PETA would NEVER allow a dog or cat to be treated so INHUMANELY, WHY do we allow it to be done to PRE-BORN HUMAN BABIES???

[Eva]

An interesting point about this issue is that the changing social standards, the acceptance of out of wedlock births has made abortions less desirable or "necessary".

[Concerned]

Just in case you might think I "just don't understand what it would be like to have a child born with disabilities," I am the MOTHER of a SEVERELY mentally and physically disabled child who neither walks nor talks nor feeds herself and who still wears diapers at 18 years of age...and I am STILL PRO-LIFE!

[IrishRainy]

Prior to the legalization of abortion in 1973, approximately 39 women died per year from illegal abortions.

Since 1973, approximately 22 women die each year from legal abortions.

This is from the CDC themselves, although they try to hide this info as much as possible. Also, reporting these abortion deaths is not mandatory, it is up to each state, so these stats are suspect to begin with.

[fourdeuce82d]

Excuse me ... if your heart STOPS beating, you are considered dead

Hmmm...so if you have a heart attack/drown, we shouldn't try CPR? Excuse yourself.

Like I said, silly.

[fourdeuce82d]

I am glad my parents didn't practice abortion.

from your literary comprehension, it appears they attempted to, but it went hideously awry. Reread the post, silly person.

[fourdeuce82d]

I DIdn't mean tO suggesT I support ABORTION OR that babies SHOULD BE KILLED (see how stupid all caps look?).

I meant to suggest that the presence or absence of a heartbeat was a pretty stupid way of distinguishing whether we are talking about a person- If your heart is stopped during surgery, are you not a person? If your head is severed, but you body is put on a respirator to keep the organs fresh for transplant, are you still alive? Is the body a person?

[FITZ]

This is from the CDC themselves, although they try to hide this info as much as possible.

I have a feeling those numbers are quite a bit higher ---they don't include every abortion death, they can change the cause of death to infection or spontaneous hemorrhage and never put down the real cause of death ----often the families are just as eager not to have the real cause of death listed.

[FITZ]

the presence or absence of a heartbeat was a pretty stupid way of distinguishing whether we are talking about a person-

I can see that ---besides other life forms have a heartbeat ---DNA testing would show that we're talking about a human. As far as when life begins ---the mother wouldn't have to have it killed if it wasn't living.

[CyberAnt]

Well ... if you aren't considered DEAD, why would you need CPR ... that's even sillier!!!

[CyberAnt]

You have FReepmail.

[Tall_Texan]

Bumped for future reading.

Hilarious! "Our children are pro-life! Where did we go WRONG!!!"

Parents hanging their heads in shame, refusing to acknowledge their neighbors... Oh, the embarassment!

They're just..just..just MORTIFIED! LOL!

[VRWC_minion]

Since 1973, approximately 22 women die each year from legal abortions.

This would obviously omit suicides from depression.

[VRWC_minion]

meant to suggest that the presence or absence of a heartbeat was a pretty stupid way of distinguishing whether we are talking about a person-

don't worry. Im sure most freepers knew what you meant. I had a similar problem with some freepers on another thread who didn't read my comments in context. Have we lowered the freeper entrance exam standards lately ?

[rwfromkansas]

good article.

I know one of the groups that came to my campus is an anti-abortion group called Justice for All, and everyone supported them it seemed like.

[rwfromkansas]

Man you are stupid.

[fourdeuce82d]

"Man you are stupid"

Then I'm sure it won't be hard for you to point out the flaws in my reasoning.