Surprise, Mom: I'm Anti-Abortion

New York Times ^ | 3/30/03 | ELIZABETH HAYT

[madprof98]

I can't believe this is in the Times. Of course, I know it's the Times for real because they quoted Frances Kissling. But the quote from her almost sounds pro-life!

[fourdeuce82d]

facts about fetal heart development.

Not a fan of abortion, but WTF? What does the activity of the cardiac muscle have to do with whether or not I, you, or anyone else is a person protected from murder?

silly.

[Wormwood]

"Nowadays kids don't grow up knowing or being aware of what was going on when abortion was illegal,"

Actually, they do.

They know that before Roe V. Wade, women were killing their young in spite of the laws protecting them.

The fact that it's now legal to do so doesn't change the fact that it is still killing.

[TPartyType]

college-age Americans are more conservative about abortion rights

Take it from this college prof and father of teeny boppers (who has talked with lots of my kids' friends): They're conservative about more than just abortion rights.

[narses]

Ping.

[JusPasenThru]

It's interesting how the proabortion groups harken to the mythological times before abortion was legal. The number of deaths from illegal abortions in the years prior to Roe v. Wade were always less than the number of people killed by lightning strikes. The numbers were inflated, no, actually manufactered by the proabortion ideologues and accepted without question by the press and the majority of the American people.
An educated and moral people can never approve of abortion.

[madprof98]

They're conservative about more than just abortion rights.

Ideologically, yes. But often they're not living conservatively. Casual sex and cohabitation lead inevitably to the supposed "need" for abortion. I think that's the main reason so many students change their minds on abortion by the time they finish college, as the UCLA survey documents.

[Illbay]

"It's not a choice that I would have taken personally..."

Lucky thing for Afton.

[Lil'freeper]

"The people I associate with in town are pro-choice, so I'm troubled ? where do these kids come from?"

Heh heh- not going to touch that one.

Well, ok. How telling that someone so conerned with reproductive rights would have to ask.

[JmyBryan]

the spread of ultrasound technology, which has made the fetus seem more human

Don't look for any bias here. Remember the good old days when you just knew the fetus was inhuman?

(sarcasm)

[nicollo]

When I was a young kid in the 60s, the neighborhood parents all thought our teenage neighbor was the antichrist with his long hair, drum set, and the funky smell of his cigarettes. Into high school in the 70s, we all had long hair and smoked dope. Nobody was upset anymore.

At college in the early 80s, I realized quick that counter culture was ruined. What to do to piss off Daddy? Mine was a Northeast establishment, preppy school, so it ought have been easy. Drugs and dress just wouldn't do it anymore. So the kids really looking to offend started kissing boys (and girls the girls). Here, it started to fall apart. Not only did the college not get upset by it, the college endorsed it with an entire discipline dedicated to gay culture and feminism. By the 90s, gay was a yawn.

So what's a kid to do these days? Schools not only look away when kids hold protests, they actually sponsor 'em! The college chaplain at my old college actually spoke to a "peace walkout" last month. Think about it: a college employee encouraged, sponsored, and upheld truancy. For the rebel, it's that bad.

So, if ya really wanna piss of Daddy, check the "R" box on your voter card. You might even get kicked out of the house.

I was. When I refused to abort my 1st child, my mother disowned me.


[Note: I'm not talking "red" America here. I'm talking Northeast establishment liberal America.]

[Zack Nguyen]

He said he had been told abortion "tears the arms and legs off." The young man's notes were right. I believe that an intact D&C does just that.

[Illbay]

"The people I associate with in town are pro-choice, so I'm troubled — where do these kids come from?"

I wonder if you've ever stopped to consider that perhaps THESE kids--having been born since 1973--realize that but for their mothers' "choice," they could have ended up a "nonviable tissue mass" in an abortion clinic scrap bucket.

Sobering thought.

Since it's always been about YOU, and YOUR CHOICE, you never had to think in those terms. Thinking about someone else, including an unborn child, takes a very different sort of perspective.

[Canticle_of_Deborah]

"The people I associate with in town are pro-choice, so I'm troubled — where do these kids come from?"

Gasp! Those kids are hanging around with those bad seed pro lifers! If only they could be involved in drugs, having sex, robbing banks, etc...... /sarcasm

[Romulus]

where do these kids come from?"

From God, of course. Wonderful, innit?

[Enlightiator]

Have you ever noticed that no one supporting abortion "rights" was ever themselves aborted? Go figure...

[Lil'freeper]

make that concerned.

[Illbay]

"Myself and my classmates have never known a world in which abortion wasn't legalized," she said. "We've realized that any one of us could have been aborted. When I talk about being a survivor of abortion, I am talking about it from a personal place."

AH-HA! BINGO! Point for Illbay!

[FrdmLvr]

"The people I associate with in town are pro-choice, so I'm troubled — where do these kids come from?"

The question should be, "where did these kids get a conscious?"

[Illbay]

Because the pro-aborts tell you that it's a "non-viable tissue mass." A "non-viable tissue mass" with a heartbeat?