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Hong Kong SARS Turns Deadlier.
perloin

Posted on 04/15/2003 6:55:12 AM PDT by per loin

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To: per loin
Has this approached the figures for Legionnaires Disease yet?
61 posted on 04/15/2003 2:25:24 PM PDT by _Jim ( // NASA has a better safety record than NASCAR \\)
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To: Nebullis
Does Patricia Doyle think that the virulent form will disappear if the virus mutates to something less harmful? The only way a less virulant mutant may be beneficial is if it confers immunity to related viruses.

Excellent point, especially in light of Riri's post.

62 posted on 04/15/2003 2:27:05 PM PDT by EternalHope
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To: riri; All
Further from that last link:

The virus is highly contagious and is spread by aerosol, direct contact, and fomites. No latent infection or carrier state occurs. The disease is not fatal, and is generally subclinical. The rats may exhibit a porphyrin oculonasal discharge. The submaxillary salivary gland may be palpably enlarged due to sialoadenitis. Dacryoadenitis may cause exophthalmos, which can lead to keratitis and corneal ulcers. Symptomatic rats are at a greater risk for inhalation anesthesia.

63 posted on 04/15/2003 2:34:16 PM PDT by aristeides
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To: _Jim
Dunno.
64 posted on 04/15/2003 2:36:45 PM PDT by per loin
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To: per loin
Link to post about 3M Corporate Advisory (major manufacturer of the N95 particle masks). Notice that masks are being allocated to health workers and relatives of victims preferentially.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/893236/posts?page=4#4

65 posted on 04/15/2003 2:39:27 PM PDT by steve86 (O.J. did it.)
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To: per loin; Dog Gone; Mother Abigail; CathyRyan; Petronski; EternalHope; Domestic Church; ...
I think this may be highly significant: SDA (Sialodacryoadenitis):

This is a highly contagious virus that can lead to deadly secondary infections. SDA itself does not kill rats. It does, however, destroy the rat's natural immunities for up to a week and allow secondary infections, such as mycoplasma pulmonis, to devastate entire colonies.

66 posted on 04/15/2003 2:39:51 PM PDT by aristeides
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To: All
That could explain such things as the chlamydia found in China, and the paramyxoviruses found elsewhere in SARS victims.
67 posted on 04/15/2003 2:40:40 PM PDT by aristeides
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So it would be a kind of fast-acting AIDS.
68 posted on 04/15/2003 2:41:08 PM PDT by aristeides
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To: _Jim
You asked about potential failure of the Hong Kong medical system. This is from an article about the current situation in Hong Kong as of yesterday (i.e., Monday):

Doctors and nurses say the territory's health care system may collapse if more medical staff are infected. Health experts have said there are no longer enough intensive care beds nor isolation wards, sparking fears of more infections.

Most of the article quoted the current acting head of Hong Kong's medical system. (The actual head of the system is in the hospital with SARS.) It was unclear who the "doctors and nurses" quoted were, but the belief is widespread in Hong Kong that the system is near collapse.

At some point the quality of care will fall, raising the death rate. We may be at or near that point now (see the quote above).

If quarantine and isolation measures in the general community fail, the number of cases will rise dramatically. Since most patients thus far have needed hospitalization, and hospital stays seem to last for weeks even if ventilation is not required, many patients may find medical care is not available.

I don't know what happens then.

69 posted on 04/15/2003 2:45:32 PM PDT by EternalHope
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Next paragraph from that link:

Incubation for SDA is normally 5 to 10 days. The two distinguishing symptoms of SDA are swollen lymph nodes, especially in the throat, and bulging and/or ulcerated eyes.

I wonder if incipient SARS in humans exhibits similar symptoms.

70 posted on 04/15/2003 2:50:05 PM PDT by aristeides
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To: aristeides
Have they found any link to this coronavirus in the SARS coronavirus?
71 posted on 04/15/2003 2:50:43 PM PDT by per loin
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To: aristeides
bulging and/or ulcerated eyes.

Strange...are there any photos of patients with SARS?

72 posted on 04/15/2003 2:51:29 PM PDT by Fitzcarraldo
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#51: SARS genome apparently similar to that of rat SDA.
73 posted on 04/15/2003 2:52:46 PM PDT by aristeides
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To: aristeides
So it would be a kind of fast-acting AIDS

As per Mother Abigail some three weeks ago.

74 posted on 04/15/2003 2:54:22 PM PDT by riri
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To: All
Next paragraph from that link is alarming:

If you do determine that your rats have SDA, you also need to know that after all of the symptoms have disappeared, they can shed the virus for up to 4 months. That means that a complete quarantine needs to be done for 4 months after the end of all symptoms. No new rats in and no rats leave, along with no litters born. Even though the survivors will act perfectly normal after they finish showing all symptoms, they WILL still be shedding the virus. A complete and thorough quarantine is necessary to contain the virus and stop it from spreading.

75 posted on 04/15/2003 2:55:01 PM PDT by aristeides
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To: Fitzcarraldo
I haven't seen any pictures of humans with SARS. The link has pictures of rats with SDA.
76 posted on 04/15/2003 2:57:55 PM PDT by aristeides
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To: aristeides
Next paragraph:

Recommended treatment: There is actually no treatment for SDA because it is a virus. However, it is very important that you aggressively treat the secondary infections. You should treat every rat for severe respiratory infections as soon as you know that your colony has been exposed to SDA to prevent as many deaths as possible. A good choice for treatment is a combination of Enrofloxacin (Baytril) and Doxycycline.

77 posted on 04/15/2003 2:58:36 PM PDT by aristeides
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To: aristeides
can shed the virus for up to 4 months

This is going to require a contact list be generated for every SARS patient.

78 posted on 04/15/2003 2:58:44 PM PDT by Fitzcarraldo
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To: aristeides
If SARS acts the same way, then we need a complete quarantine on the survivors for four months.

Anybody wanna bet on THAT happening?
79 posted on 04/15/2003 3:00:26 PM PDT by EternalHope
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To: EternalHope
5. SARS may exist in persons as an asymptomatic disease

These must be tracked as well.

80 posted on 04/15/2003 3:01:59 PM PDT by Fitzcarraldo
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