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Liberal Methodist Leaders Call Bush to Repentance
AgapePress ^ | April 17, 2003 | Jody Brown and Bill Fancher

Posted on 04/17/2003 2:30:22 PM PDT by Willie Green

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Those Whose Stance Falls Outside Traditional Methodism Take President to Task

(AgapePress) - Several officials of the United Methodist Church (UMC) are calling one of their fellow Methodists to repentance. While that, in and of itself, may not be unusual, it is noteworthy that the call appeared in a full-page magazine ad -- and the person called to repentance is President George W. Bush.

The April 5 edition of Christian Century magazine contains a full-page ad titled "A Prophetic Epistle from United Methodists Calling Our Brother George W. Bush to Repent." The ad, signed by several United Methodist bishops and the head of the denomination's lobby office in Washington, D.C., denounces the president for contributing to "spiritual forces of wickedness" and calls for him to "repent from domestic and foreign policies that are incompatible with the teaching and example of Christ."

Among those signing the ad are UM Bishops Joseph Sprague and Melvin Talbert, and Board of Church and Society general secretary Jim Winkler. The officials accuse President Bush of "threaten[ing] the very earth and all its inhabitants with open discussion of the use of nuclear weapons," and promoting "redemptive violence" in his policy towards the "sovereign nation of Iraq."

In addition, it claims that the president's domestic policy is "incongruent with Jesus' teaching" and falls short of the compassion of which Jesus spoke, despite Bush's claim to be a "compassionate conservative."

The ad concludes with the statement: "May our call to repentance speak to your conscience."

Mark Tooley heads the United Methodist committee of the Institute on Religion and Democracy. He says that first of all, the signers of the ad "are hardly symbols of strong, mainstream" United Methodist beliefs. He points out that Bishop Sprague denies that Jesus Christ is eternally divine, Bishop Talbert has endorsed same-sex "marriage," and Winkler is a pacifist.


Mark Tooley

According to Tooley, the UMC affirms Christ's full deity, opposes same-sex unions, and is not pacifist. "Yet these church officials claim it is President Bush who is violating his own church's teachings," he says.

"These [church] officials are effectively telling the president he is not a good Christian because his policies do not match their own left-wing beliefs," Tooley continues in a printed release.

"Bush is supposedly a bad Christian and a bad Methodist because, like most Methodists, he does not agree with these church officials in their equation of compassion with a large federal welfare state and in their opposition to a strong military defense for America."

Tooley says it is "nonsense" for the UMC officials to "equate their brand of politics with Christianity, and assume that political disagreement is a sign of spiritual apostasy."

Anti-War Academics
Religious leaders are not the only anti-war faction in the news these days. It can also be found in the world of academia.

Anti-war demonstrators are composed primarily of college-age students, both in America and in Europe. Paul Weyrich of the Free Congress Foundation says that is because anti-American feelings permeate the world of academia -- and always will.

"The academics identify with academics abroad," Weyrich says, "and of course, the academic community [abroad] is very anti-American and believes that George Bush is a greater problem than Saddam Hussein or anybody else you can name."

Weyrich says that anti-American attitude is transferred to the students on a daily basis. "They believe that they need to expose the student community to the anti-American point of view; hence, the kind of people that they are really featuring in their various programs."

Weyrich says that is why students are on the front line of various types of anti-American demonstrations.


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To: Willie Green
This book is old and out of print, but I still recommend it to anyone who can find it. It's a well documented case against liberalism and even Marxism in mainline church denominations. The leadership of the UMC, of course, is at least as guilty as any other denomination.
Betrayal of the Church: Apostasy and Renewal in the Mainnline Denominations
by Edmund W. Robb, Julia Robb


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61 posted on 04/17/2003 3:15:11 PM PDT by Mr. Mulliner (QUANDO OMNI FLUNKUS MORITATI: When all else fails, play dead)
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To: The Old Hoosier
Why would he do that?
62 posted on 04/17/2003 3:15:32 PM PDT by Krodg (We have the ability because the leader in command knows who's in control....God Bless America.)
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To: aruanan
Preach it to someone else.
63 posted on 04/17/2003 3:15:53 PM PDT by LisaAnne
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To: aruanan
These churchmen likely are following the promptings of the King(-sized) James Bible-toting and totally repentant "Brother Bill" Clinton, who regularly used to darken the doorway of DC's liberal Foundry Methodist Church for photo ops...
64 posted on 04/17/2003 3:16:38 PM PDT by tracer (/b>)
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To: kayak
You are right about Church and Society but I was very late in discovering this group.Most of us don't pay attention unless it's in our face.
65 posted on 04/17/2003 3:16:52 PM PDT by MEG33
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To: aruanan
The problem was that the Methodist church has become ruled not by the laity but by the ecclesiastics.

The same thing has happened in the Presbyterian churches nationwide.... There is a HUGE movement afoot to wrest control for the soul of this denomination from the clutches of truly wacko leftists and give it back to the grassroots in the pews. The call themselves the Covenant churches within the PCUSA and publish their own newspaper, The Presbyterian Layman, to keep the grassroots aware of the efforts to bring the denomination back to its moorings.

66 posted on 04/17/2003 3:18:11 PM PDT by Cordova Belle ("America is great because she is good. When America ceases to be good, she will cease to be great.")
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To: Willie Green
Good Grief!

UM Bishop Joseph Sprague is a Marxist pretending to be a pastor. He denies the Divinity and Resurrection of Jesus. Sprague also sees Allah and Jesus as the same Lord. More about Joseph Sparague can be found in the thread below.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/890342/posts
67 posted on 04/17/2003 3:19:31 PM PDT by Kuksool
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To: Cordova Belle
Southern Baptist churches, which, despite the name, are located in all 50 states. Many go by the name of "So-and-So Community church," such as Pastor Rick Warren's South Cost

Many of us use the name "First Baptist Church of.....". Maybe we need to work on that pride issue...LOL

68 posted on 04/17/2003 3:20:07 PM PDT by Krodg (We have the ability because the leader in command knows who's in control....God Bless America.)
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To: Willie Green
Crap like this is why I am no longer affiliated with the Methodist church...
69 posted on 04/17/2003 3:22:46 PM PDT by jbstrick (Behold the Power of CHEESE!)
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To: Willie Green
....calls for him to "repent from domestic and foreign policies that are incompatible with the teaching and example of Christ."

Since when did the teachings of Christ matter to the Liberal Methodist Leaders?
What a bunch of hypocrites.

70 posted on 04/17/2003 3:24:10 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: babylonian
"Repent to who? God or the Methodist leaders?"

Excellent.


71 posted on 04/17/2003 3:24:48 PM PDT by Let's Roll (And those that cried Appease! Appease! are hanged by those they tried to please!")
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To: Dog Gone
There are any number of non-denominational conservative evangelical Bible believing churches across the country.
Of the 37 different varieties of Baptists, most are sound doctrinally. Evangelical Free churches, Free Methodist (NOT to be confused with UMC), many Lutheran churches (avoid ELCA)still preach the gospel. Visit several churches, ask questions of the leaders. Make ONE of hem your new church home.
72 posted on 04/17/2003 3:25:07 PM PDT by Knute
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To: Krodg
Ha! In the South, you can get by with that name...but on the West Coast, for example, where I lived for 15 years, it would have been the kiss of death--though some did well anyhow.

The use of "Community Church" has become widespread by a lot of churches, not just Baptist, to avoid being pigeon-holed.

Back to the topic at hand: Our pastor often quips: "Some of you still sit in churches that stopped teaching Biblical principles years ago, with the excuse 'We can't leave...Grandma is buried out back.' Well, Grandma would get up and leave, too, if she could!" :-)
73 posted on 04/17/2003 3:27:28 PM PDT by Cordova Belle ("America is great because she is good. When America ceases to be good, she will cease to be great.")
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To: goodnesswins
"Hmmmm....looks like it's really time to become a CATHOLIC in S. Dakota....."

True enough, these guys make the Pope look like a saint.

74 posted on 04/17/2003 3:28:40 PM PDT by Sam Cree
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To: Willie Green
This is easy. If your church appears on this list, check out the National Council of Churches and then LEAVE. They exist to advance Communism.

African Methodist Episcopal Church; African Methodist Episcopal Zion Church; Alliance of Baptists; American Baptist Churches in the USA; The Antiochian Orthodox Christian Archdiocese of North America; Diocese of the Armenian Church of America; Christian Church (Disciples of Christ); Christian Methodist Episcopal Church; Church of the Brethren; The Coptic Orthodox Church in North America; The Episcopal Church; Evangelical Lutheran Church in America; Friends United Meeting; Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America; Hungarian Reformed Church in America; International Council of Community Churches; Korean Presbyterian Church in America; Malankara Orthodox Syrian Church; Mar Thoma Church; Moravian Church in America Northern Province and Southern Province; National Baptist Convention of America; National Baptist Convention, U.S.A., Inc.; National Missionary Baptist Convention of America; Orthodox Church in America; Patriarchal Parishes of the Russian Orthodox Church in the USA; Philadelphia Yearly Meeting of the Religious Society of Friends; Polish National Catholic Church of America; Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.); Progressive National Baptist Convention, Inc.; Reformed Church in America; Serbian Orthodox Church in the U.S.A. and Canada; The Swedenborgian Church; Syrian Orthodox Church of Antioch; Ukrainian Orthodox Church of America; United Church of Christ; The United Methodist Church

75 posted on 04/17/2003 3:28:54 PM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: jbstrick
This is what happens when a church forsakes the Word of God as its ultimate authority. It's clear to anyone who watches this denomination that they no longer hold the bible to be authoritative. The Jesus of the Bible was no pacifist, and just war in perfectly in line with scripture. I have one word for the methodist churches of this stripe: I-C-H-A-B-O-D
76 posted on 04/17/2003 3:29:13 PM PDT by exmarine
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma
This is easy. If your church appears on this list, check out the National Council of Churches and then LEAVE. They exist to advance Communism.

A church exists to advance communism? I think your tinfoil beanie might be cutting off the circulation.

Why would a church want to advance an atheistic philosophy?
77 posted on 04/17/2003 3:31:44 PM PDT by Belial
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To: LisaAnne
There's no need to be testy with another FReeper over what is clearly stated in the Bible.

Hebrews 10:25

Not forsaking the assembling of ouselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

78 posted on 04/17/2003 3:32:15 PM PDT by Krodg (We have the ability because the leader in command knows who's in control....God Bless America.)
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To: Cordova Belle
I went to a Methodist church, looked at the printing in the song books and found out they were supplied by the United Methodists. No money in the offering plate and last time attending.
I like the Salvation Army Church.
79 posted on 04/17/2003 3:32:52 PM PDT by pickyourpoison
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To: Belial
Check it out. Check out the history. That's exactly why it was formed. Don't take my word for it.
80 posted on 04/17/2003 3:33:51 PM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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