Posted on 04/19/2003 11:34:35 AM PDT by Sweet_Sunflower29
A federal grand jury indicted three people this week on charges of participating in a conspiracy to harbor and transport eight to 10 groups of undocumented immigrants in Utah and elsewhere.
Jose Ramon Navarro-Corral and Alfredo Lara-Lizaola knowingly conspired "with each other and other co-conspirators" sometime before Jan. 29 to take custody of the immigrants, who were smuggled from Mexico into the United States and taken to Phoenix, according to the indictment filed Wednesday.
The two allegedly housed the immigrants in a Phoenix apartment, bought vehicles and hired drivers to transport them elsewhere, court documents said.
Other conspirators paid both defendants, prosecutors allege; Navarro-Corral accepted $100 per person and Lara-Lizaola was given between $300 and $350 for each group.
On Jan. 29, documents said, Navarro-Corral took custody of a group of Brazilian nationals smuggled into the United States from Mexico, and was told to take the group to Washington state. He allegedly took them to Lara-Lizaola, who agreed to house them, documents said, and also hired two drivers and obtained a vehicle to make the Jan. 31 trip.
Navarro-Corral is also known by the names Mario C. Valdez and Antonio Salvidar, the indictment said. The indictment does not say what happened to the people being transported.
Oh please, not here, we're already crawling with illegals.
So's southeastern WI. Is there any state left that's not?
Some of the Mexican states don't have many left.
We need to change that. Soon.
Probably probation, or nothing.
A serious question here. We talk about this, we voice our opinion - some write congressman - what really can we do. Everyday, it is something new that is harmful to this country and it seems no one is listening.
Does anyone have any ideas? We know there are a lot of people concerned and want something done about it - is there any way we can begin to communicate with each other?
Bet they all had Mexican Cracker-Jack Liberal ID Cards too
1st generation American, daughter of LEGAL immigrant.
The other night FOX news was listing countries who had "better shape up or else". They listed various countries, such as France, Germany, Syria, and CANADA!! They gave out the reasons, and they said that Canada is refusing to hand over Iraqis who live there. I didn't hear any further details, but my immediate thought was, "What about Mexico???!" Mexico did not make the list, but it is much more of a danger to us than Canada, as illegals cross over to come here all the time, and Vincente Fox encourages them. In my mind Mexico is much more of a danger than Canada because who knows how many potential terrorists come here from there?
Something is fishy regarding Mexico and the US IMO.
It's a shame so many Freepers ignore these threads. I guess Laci Peterson's death is so much more important. < /sarcasm> (Not to make light of her death, but...)
DIRECT NEGOTIATION WITH BAGHDAD OVER DUAL CITIZENS?
Opponents of dual citizenship sometimes pose this question – “What would you do if the U.S. and Mexico went to war with each other?” The Iraq war demonstrates that it’s not even necessary to posit this extreme. If the U.S. goes to war with any country, dual U.S.-Mexican citizenship is part of the equation.
In a previous article, I reported how the Fox administration was compiling a list of all Mexican and Mexican-descended personnel in the U.S. military, regardless of citizenship.
Only three days later, Mexican Foreign Secretary Derbez made the rather startling announcement that Mexico was considering direct negotiations with the Saddam regime over U.S. soldiers who are dual citizens of the U.S. and Mexico!
According to “Reforma” (Analizan defender a soldados mexicans, March 31st, 2003)
“The legal department of the SRE [Mexican Foreign Ministry] is analyzing the viability of Mexico’s intercession before the government of Iraq for Mexican soldiers imprisoned in that country.”
(El departamento Jurídico de la Secretaria de Relaciones Exteriores analiza la viabilidad de que México interceda ante el Gobierno de Iraq por los soldados mexicanos presos en ese Pais.)
“Chancellor Luis Ernesto Derbez said...that the department is studying the possibility of an appeal to the Geneva Convention concerning prisoners of war in the case of soldiers who have the two citizenships (U.S. and Mexican) and of military personnel who have Mexican citizenship and U.S. residence....”
(El canciller Luis Ernesto Derbez dijo la tarde de este lunes que la dependencia a su cargo estudia si es posible apela a la Convención de Ginebra sobre presos de guerra en el caso de los soldados que tengan las dos ciudadanías, así como de los militares que cuentan con la ciudadanía mexicana y la residencia estadounidense y con bases en el Ejército de Estados Unidos.)
“....Derbez emphasized that México will make it clear, that if the petition is carried out, that it will be done without being part of the military conflict.”
(En conference, Derbez destacó que México dejará en clare, si llega a realizar la petición, que lo hace sin ser parte del conflicto militar.)
So the Mexican government was willing to negotiate with Saddam over dual citizen prisoners-of-war - but it had to make clear it wasn’t supporting the United States!
Now that Baghdad has been taken, the Mexicans have to give up negotiating with the regime. But we know they were working on it. Which is one possible use of that census of Mexican-origin U.S. soldiers I wrote about earlier.
And demonstrates the inevitable complications of dual citizenship.
PROCLAIMING PACIFIST PRINCIPLES, HUSTLING GRINGO CA$H
On April 2nd, 2003, Vicente Fox met with visiting Mexican residents of the U.S., and self-righteously slammed the U.S. war effort, emphatically declaring that “¡estamos contra la guerra!” – “We are against the war!” (Proceso, April 2nd, 2003)
The same day a Mexican tourism convention in Acapulco was addressed (in a pre-recorded video) by the Mexican president. Fox told them that the war was an opportunity for Mexican tourism! (His reasoning: Americans would want to travel to safer and nearer destinations).
(“Puede guerra ser fuente de oportunidades para turism en Mexico: Fox,” El Universal, April 2nd, 2003
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