Fed's attack Texas church and burn it to the ground.....

PBS - WGBH/Frontline ^ | 1995 | PBS

[bribriagain]

"anti-semitism and apocalypic fundamentalism"

I saw no such attacks. But I do see name calling on your part. Where's you links? You've been called.

Put up or shut up.

[annyokie]

I couldn't know; I was living in Pennsylvania then. My objection is to the heavy-handedness of El Reno. Howell was a bad dude, but why kill all to get him?

I felt the same about the guy in Montana who's wife was shot while holding their infant son. He may be an a-hole, but where do you draw the line?

[THUNDER ROAD]

As Michael Rivero so aptly said......

There is no kind way to put it.

The FBI lied to the American public
when it denied using pyrotechnic devices
during the raid on the Branch Davidian Church.

The FBI lied.

The FBI lied.

The FBI lied.

No other way to put it.

In the case of Waco, as has been the case
in many other recent scandals, the FBI,
when it speaks, speaks for the government
as a whole. When the FBI lies to the public,
and the government does not gainsay it,
then the FBI lies with the government blessing
and approval. The lies of the FBI are therefore
the "official" lies of the government as a whole.

The whole Waco disaster is a case study
in deceptions and lies to the public.

.....THUNDER......

[ContentiousObjector]

http://video.pbs.org:8080/ramgen/wgbh/pages/frontline/waco/chsix_hi.rm

[annyokie]

My priest says that about the Mormons, not to start a firefight. Your friend, Anny

[_Jim]

Editor's note: Barbara Grant is an electro-optical engineer specializing in the measurement of light.

It looks like she falls short of what's required to analyze and comment on the FLIR analyses that was performed by a number of experts.

Did I see her address anywhere the duration that a muzzle flash lasts (how long the muzzle flash reamains 'visible' to an IR camera) - and that it does not extend over more than one frame of video as the flashes in those IR videos show?

Failure to address that aspect is a failure on the entire project, for that is the crux which proves those are either gunshots or 'specular IR reflections'.

Well that, and the visible photographs that were taken ...

[the_daug]

LOL
http://www.wacotrib.com/news/content/coxnet/branchdavidian/timelines/0301_history14.html

[lodwick]

Thanks for the post and the reminder.

Stay well, stay armed.

[_Jim]

By Barbara Grant

This piece by Grant fails to address issues raised here.

Simply put - she fails.

[LauraJean]

Terri O'Brien is talking about Waco right now.
for those not in the Chicago are you can listen at
http://www.wlsam.com

[ContentiousObjector]

I perfer government shills to paranoid schizophrenics

[annyokie]

Stop! This is not a behavior for Christian folk to engauge in! It's Easter weekend, for Pete's sake!

Please! Your friend, Anny

[_Jim]

Fact: <snip>
Fact: <snip>
Fact: <snip>
Fact: <snip>

EVERY one of your 'facts' was fallacious.

SUCH is the state (lack of) education here on FR on this topic.

[Brad C.]

...read any CREDIBLE book on the topic (read: one not sold at gun shows) and get educated about the topic...

I join in the request for you to source some of your points. I noted that in a later post you did provide a url for the frontline segment you mentioned, how about one or two books or articles that you consider to be credible? Others here have provided you links, you should be kind enough to do the same.

[_Jim]

they were talking about lighting HAY on fire

'Hay' is not routinely, within the confines of four walls a roof and wooden floor, referred to as 'fuel', they were, however, referring to Coleman stove or lamp fuel ...

[bribriagain]

"Osama Bin Ladens neice is a night club singer, do you want to put her on trial for 9/11?"

Your facts are about as good as your spelling. Check your home page and do a spell check on "reference".

[OutSpot]

"I perfer government shills....

No need to say more. Thanks for those words.

To all, please make a mental note of the above statement.
>Birds of a feather flock together<

[Jael]

I agree with your points, but I have to say, the Branch Dividians were not Christian, because they believed NOT in Christ, but in David Koresh.

Do they have every right to believe that and be unmolested?

Yes. But they were not Christians. :-)