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Support Bill H.R. 990! This Act Would Make Your Concealed Carry Weapon Permit Valid In All 50 States
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Posted on 04/23/2003 5:05:23 PM PDT by 2nd_Amendment_Defender

This bill would require that states recognize, respect and honor the concealed carry rights of any individual who has a valid license or permit to carry a handgun in any state. H.R. 990, the Second Amendment Restoration Act, establishes no Federal Standard for a Concealed Weapon Permit.

108th CONGRESS 1st Session

H. R. 990

To amend title 18 of the United States Code to provide for reciprocity in regard to the manner in which nonresidents of a State may carry certain concealed firearms in that State.

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

February 27, 2003 Mr. HOSTETTLER (for himself, Mr. HAYWORTH, Mrs. JO ANN DAVIS of Virginia, Mr. CRANE, Mr. DOOLITTLE, Mr. WAMP, Mr. OTTER, Mr. GIBBONS, Mr. LEWIS of Kentucky, Mr. NEY, Mr. CANNON, Mr. GOODE, Mr. BOUCHER, Mr. SOUDER, Mr. PETERSON of Pennsylvania, Mr. GOODLATTE, Mr. HALL, Mr. ADERHOLT, Mr. ENGLISH, Mr. BISHOP of Georgia, Mrs. MUSGRAVE, Mr. PENCE, and Mr. BRADLEY of New Hampshire) introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary

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A BILL To amend title 18 of the United States Code to provide for reciprocity in regard to the manner in which nonresidents of a State may carry certain concealed firearms in that State.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the `Secure Access to Firearms Enhancement (SAFE) Act of 2003'.

SEC. 2. RECIPROCITY FOR THE CARRYING OF CERTAIN CONCEALED FIREARMS.

(a) IN GENERAL- Chapter 44 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by inserting after section 926A the following:

`Sec. 926B. Reciprocity for the carrying of certain concealed firearms

`Notwithstanding any provision of the law of any State or political subdivision thereof, a person who is not prohibited by Federal law from possessing, transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm, and is--

`(1) carrying a valid license or permit which is issued pursuant to the law of any State and which permits the person to carry a concealed firearm; or

`(2) otherwise entitled to carry a concealed firearm in and pursuant to the law of the State of the person's residence,

may carry in any State a concealed firearm in accordance with the terms of the license or with the laws of the State of the person's residence, subject to the laws of the State in which the firearm is carried concerning specific types of locations in which firearms may not be carried.'.

(b) CLERICAL AMENDMENT- The table of sections for chapter 44 of title 18 is amended by inserting after the item relating to section 926A the following:

`926B. Reciprocity for the carrying of certain concealed firearms.'.

SEC. 3. EFFECTIVE DATE.

The provisions of this Act and the amendments made by this Act shall take effect 180 days after the date of enactment of this Act. END


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To: 2nd_Amendment_Defender
Doesn't this bill fly in the face of powers retained by the states or the people?
41 posted on 04/23/2003 5:40:11 PM PDT by Frohickey
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To: GOPyouth
...if they are going to get involved and start forcing states to accept permits from other states, I think that they should enforce at least some minimum standard that all states must require in order to get the permit.

Read the Second Amendment:

"A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed."

It is your right to keep and bear arms. You shouldn't even need a permit to do so. This law just makes the Concealed Weapon Permit laws more unified.

42 posted on 04/23/2003 5:46:42 PM PDT by 2nd_Amendment_Defender ("It is when people forget God that tyrants forge their chains." -- Patrick Henry)
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To: Frohickey
Doesn't this bill fly in the face of powers retained by the states or the people?

Absolutely not. Remember the 1st and 2nd amendment are the law of the land. 9 & 10 state that any other rights not enumerated belong to the states or the people. The 2nd is enumerated, so it should, in proper application, overrule states rights in this issue.

For instance, a state can't simply say there is no free speech on tuesdays because it wants to. The 1st amendment contradicts and overrules that. If the 2nd amendment is applied as the 1st is, Concealed carry restrictions would be just as irrelevant.
43 posted on 04/23/2003 5:49:51 PM PDT by flashbunny
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To: 2nd_Amendment_Defender
when God given rights are percieved to be state given rights they can easily be taken away
44 posted on 04/23/2003 5:51:24 PM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: 2nd_Amendment_Defender
It is your right to keep and bear arms. You shouldn't even need a permit to do so.

Do you claim that you have the right to walk around carrying a AK-47? Let's say you want to carry around some RPGs and a launcher? That's an arm. Do you think the United States Constitution gives you the right to walk around downtown San Diego (or wherever you live) with one of these weapons?

45 posted on 04/23/2003 5:51:56 PM PDT by GOPyouth (De Oppresso Liber! Heather Nauert is all that is woman!)
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To: GOPyouth
You missed the point. If you carry a weapon in one state, are you going to do something different if you carry when you travel? I think not.
46 posted on 04/23/2003 5:55:24 PM PDT by bigfootbob
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To: GOPyouth
"Do you claim that you have the right to walk around carrying a AK-47? Let's say you want to carry around some RPGs and a launcher? That's an arm. Do you think the United States Constitution gives you the right to walk around downtown San Diego (or wherever you live) with one of these weapons?"

Didn't you already bring this up in another thread? You're a law student; go look up Miller and answer this question yourself. Sheesh!


47 posted on 04/23/2003 5:55:28 PM PDT by Henrietta
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To: GOPyouth
Let me add to my last statement. I'm all for the concealed carry laws. I supported it in my homestate of Texas.
48 posted on 04/23/2003 5:56:14 PM PDT by GOPyouth (De Oppresso Liber! Heather Nauert is all that is woman!)
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To: bigfootbob
If you carry a weapon in one state, are you going to do something different if you carry when you travel? I think not

I fly when I travel. I can't really carry a gun on planes. :)

49 posted on 04/23/2003 5:57:27 PM PDT by GOPyouth (De Oppresso Liber! Heather Nauert is all that is woman!)
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To: GOPyouth
Why shouldn't you be allowed to carry either?
50 posted on 04/23/2003 5:58:33 PM PDT by The Grammarian
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To: GOPyouth
Not to long ago by my reckoning I could walk into a hardware store, by a Thompson sub-machine gun and walk out the door.....No nothing required but the money....We wern't shooting one another like the younger folks are today....

Do you just supose it had anything to do with the moral climate at the time or what?....

......Westy....

51 posted on 04/23/2003 6:00:07 PM PDT by westmex (Oh to he!! with it all !!!!!!!!)
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To: Henrietta
Didn't you already bring this up in another thread? You're a law student; go look up Miller and answer this question yourself. Sheesh!

I don't recall mentioning this before. I may have. But, the point I'm trying to make is that the right to bear arms isn't an outright green-light to carry whatever you want.

I'm all for states to support conceal carry laws. I think it's a good idea. But I also know that some states are pretty strict on their laws. Should one state with strict laws have to put up with somebody with a permit from a state that doesn't require much gun education and training when getting the permit?

Sheesh

Did you spring a leak?

52 posted on 04/23/2003 6:01:53 PM PDT by GOPyouth (De Oppresso Liber! Heather Nauert is all that is woman!)
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To: GOPyouth
I personally do not like people I do not know to have knowledge that I am armed. I do not like people to know that I am armed because it attracts unwanted attention.

Read this article about the Second Amendment that I posted several days ago. It is long but it teaches great things about our Second Amendment freedoms. Type in the web address below:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/897090/posts

Your comment about Rocket Propelled Grenades is not really a question. Of course nobody in their right mind with common sense would walk down the street in a time of peace with an arm like that. It is impractical for self defense purposes.

53 posted on 04/23/2003 6:02:52 PM PDT by 2nd_Amendment_Defender ("It is when people forget God that tyrants forge their chains." -- Patrick Henry)
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To: The Grammarian
Why shouldn't you be allowed to carry either?

Because our cities would look like Mogadishu and some of these radical Islamic states.

54 posted on 04/23/2003 6:05:54 PM PDT by GOPyouth (De Oppresso Liber! Heather Nauert is all that is woman!)
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To: 2nd_Amendment_Defender
Thanks for the link. I just bookmarked it to read it tonight when I get back from studying.

It is impractical for self defense purposes

Exactly. This is why we have guidelines/laws and such to forbid this. I'm about to head out, but wanted to clarify again. I'm all for conceal/carry. As soon as I get back to Texas in 2005 I'll take the course. As more states allow this, there will have to be some sort of guidelines that should be followed. This may require all people who get permits to get updates on state laws that allow conceal/carry. I don't know the solution to it, but something will have to be done to evolve with the state legislatures who have finally seen the light and allowed people to protect themselves.

55 posted on 04/23/2003 6:13:05 PM PDT by GOPyouth (De Oppresso Liber! Heather Nauert is all that is woman!)
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To: Skywalk
1. Yes, Full faith & Credit obviously applies.
2. The Second Amendment makes this bill, CCW laws and Full Faith & Credit unneccesary in order to carry concealed weapons.

If only we lived in a Constitutional government.
56 posted on 04/23/2003 6:13:12 PM PDT by gitmo ("The course of this conflict is not known, yet its outcome is certain." GWB)
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To: GOPyouth
Because our cities would look like Mogadishu and some of these radical Islamic states.

Not really. You'll note that Switzerland makes all males from 16 to 48 (or something around those ages) spend a few weeks training with M16 rifles. At the end of their tenure in the Swiss "national guard" (at around age 50) they get to keep their M16 assault rifles. As for RPGs, do you realize how hard it is to get one, not to mention how expensive? It's not likely that they would ever be purchased by people in enough quantity to ever turn someplace in the U.S. into another Mogadishu.

57 posted on 04/23/2003 6:13:33 PM PDT by The Grammarian
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To: flashbunny
Absolutely not. Remember the 1st and 2nd amendment are the law of the land. 9 & 10 state that any other rights not enumerated belong to the states or the people. The 2nd is enumerated, so it should, in proper application, overrule states rights in this issue.

For instance, a state can't simply say there is no free speech on tuesdays because it wants to. The 1st amendment contradicts and overrules that. If the 2nd amendment is applied as the 1st is, Concealed carry restrictions would be just as irrelevant.

Good point. You sold me.

58 posted on 04/23/2003 6:14:21 PM PDT by Frohickey
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To: GOPyouth
Do you claim that you have the right to walk around carrying a AK-47? Let's say you want to carry around some RPGs and a launcher? That's an arm. Do you think the United States Constitution gives you the right to walk around downtown San Diego (or wherever you live) with one of these weapons?

Carrying a rifle is not considered to be carrying concealed. At least, if its in plain view.

Remember, not too long ago, people could walk past downtown and into the nearby woods to go hunting.

59 posted on 04/23/2003 6:17:16 PM PDT by Frohickey
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To: GOPyouth
I'm all for states to support conceal carry laws. I think it's a good idea. But I also know that some states are pretty strict on their laws. Should one state with strict laws have to put up with somebody with a permit from a state that doesn't require much gun education and training when getting the permit?

Go and read the 2nd Amendment and get back to me... sounds like all of your justification for carrying arms is all there.

60 posted on 04/23/2003 6:19:52 PM PDT by Frohickey
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