Support Bill H.R. 990! This Act Would Make Your Concealed Carry Weapon Permit Valid In All 50 States

http://www.theorator.com/bills108/hr990.html ^

[Frohickey]

Doesn't this bill fly in the face of powers retained by the states or the people?

[2nd_Amendment_Defender]

...if they are going to get involved and start forcing states to accept permits from other states, I think that they should enforce at least some minimum standard that all states must require in order to get the permit.

Read the Second Amendment:

"A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed."

It is your right to keep and bear arms. You shouldn't even need a permit to do so. This law just makes the Concealed Weapon Permit laws more unified.

[flashbunny]

Doesn't this bill fly in the face of powers retained by the states or the people?

Absolutely not. Remember the 1st and 2nd amendment are the law of the land. 9 & 10 state that any other rights not enumerated belong to the states or the people. The 2nd is enumerated, so it should, in proper application, overrule states rights in this issue.

For instance, a state can't simply say there is no free speech on tuesdays because it wants to. The 1st amendment contradicts and overrules that. If the 2nd amendment is applied as the 1st is, Concealed carry restrictions would be just as irrelevant.

[joesnuffy]

when God given rights are percieved to be state given rights they can easily be taken away

[GOPyouth]

It is your right to keep and bear arms. You shouldn't even need a permit to do so.

Do you claim that you have the right to walk around carrying a AK-47? Let's say you want to carry around some RPGs and a launcher? That's an arm. Do you think the United States Constitution gives you the right to walk around downtown San Diego (or wherever you live) with one of these weapons?

[bigfootbob]

You missed the point. If you carry a weapon in one state, are you going to do something different if you carry when you travel? I think not.

[Henrietta]

"Do you claim that you have the right to walk around carrying a AK-47? Let's say you want to carry around some RPGs and a launcher? That's an arm. Do you think the United States Constitution gives you the right to walk around downtown San Diego (or wherever you live) with one of these weapons?"

Didn't you already bring this up in another thread? You're a law student; go look up Miller and answer this question yourself. Sheesh!

[GOPyouth]

Let me add to my last statement. I'm all for the concealed carry laws. I supported it in my homestate of Texas.

[GOPyouth]

If you carry a weapon in one state, are you going to do something different if you carry when you travel? I think not

I fly when I travel. I can't really carry a gun on planes. :)

[The Grammarian]

Why shouldn't you be allowed to carry either?

[westmex]

Not to long ago by my reckoning I could walk into a hardware store, by a Thompson sub-machine gun and walk out the door.....No nothing required but the money....We wern't shooting one another like the younger folks are today....

Do you just supose it had anything to do with the moral climate at the time or what?....

......Westy....

[GOPyouth]

Didn't you already bring this up in another thread? You're a law student; go look up Miller and answer this question yourself. Sheesh!

I don't recall mentioning this before. I may have. But, the point I'm trying to make is that the right to bear arms isn't an outright green-light to carry whatever you want.

I'm all for states to support conceal carry laws. I think it's a good idea. But I also know that some states are pretty strict on their laws. Should one state with strict laws have to put up with somebody with a permit from a state that doesn't require much gun education and training when getting the permit?

Sheesh

Did you spring a leak?

[2nd_Amendment_Defender]

I personally do not like people I do not know to have knowledge that I am armed. I do not like people to know that I am armed because it attracts unwanted attention.

Read this article about the Second Amendment that I posted several days ago. It is long but it teaches great things about our Second Amendment freedoms. Type in the web address below:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/897090/posts

Your comment about Rocket Propelled Grenades is not really a question. Of course nobody in their right mind with common sense would walk down the street in a time of peace with an arm like that. It is impractical for self defense purposes.

[GOPyouth]

Why shouldn't you be allowed to carry either?

Because our cities would look like Mogadishu and some of these radical Islamic states.

[GOPyouth]

Thanks for the link. I just bookmarked it to read it tonight when I get back from studying.

It is impractical for self defense purposes

Exactly. This is why we have guidelines/laws and such to forbid this. I'm about to head out, but wanted to clarify again. I'm all for conceal/carry. As soon as I get back to Texas in 2005 I'll take the course. As more states allow this, there will have to be some sort of guidelines that should be followed. This may require all people who get permits to get updates on state laws that allow conceal/carry. I don't know the solution to it, but something will have to be done to evolve with the state legislatures who have finally seen the light and allowed people to protect themselves.

[gitmo]

1. Yes, Full faith & Credit obviously applies.
2. The Second Amendment makes this bill, CCW laws and Full Faith & Credit unneccesary in order to carry concealed weapons.

If only we lived in a Constitutional government.

[The Grammarian]

Because our cities would look like Mogadishu and some of these radical Islamic states.

Not really. You'll note that Switzerland makes all males from 16 to 48 (or something around those ages) spend a few weeks training with M16 rifles. At the end of their tenure in the Swiss "national guard" (at around age 50) they get to keep their M16 assault rifles. As for RPGs, do you realize how hard it is to get one, not to mention how expensive? It's not likely that they would ever be purchased by people in enough quantity to ever turn someplace in the U.S. into another Mogadishu.

[Frohickey]

Absolutely not. Remember the 1st and 2nd amendment are the law of the land. 9 & 10 state that any other rights not enumerated belong to the states or the people. The 2nd is enumerated, so it should, in proper application, overrule states rights in this issue.

For instance, a state can't simply say there is no free speech on tuesdays because it wants to. The 1st amendment contradicts and overrules that. If the 2nd amendment is applied as the 1st is, Concealed carry restrictions would be just as irrelevant.

Good point. You sold me.

[Frohickey]

Do you claim that you have the right to walk around carrying a AK-47? Let's say you want to carry around some RPGs and a launcher? That's an arm. Do you think the United States Constitution gives you the right to walk around downtown San Diego (or wherever you live) with one of these weapons?

Carrying a rifle is not considered to be carrying concealed. At least, if its in plain view.

Remember, not too long ago, people could walk past downtown and into the nearby woods to go hunting.

[Frohickey]

I'm all for states to support conceal carry laws. I think it's a good idea. But I also know that some states are pretty strict on their laws. Should one state with strict laws have to put up with somebody with a permit from a state that doesn't require much gun education and training when getting the permit?

Go and read the 2nd Amendment and get back to me... sounds like all of your justification for carrying arms is all there.