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Hate crime probe at UCLA after Muslim prayer mats defiled
SFGate.Com/AP ^ | Thursday, April 24, 2003 | Unattributed

Posted on 04/25/2003 12:05:02 PM PDT by RedsHunter

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:42:20 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

LOS ANGELES (AP) -- Police at the University of California, Los Angeles, opened a hate-crime investigation after Muslim prayer mats at its medical center chapel were smeared with a liquid marked as pork blood.

University police received a report about noon Saturday that the prayer mats were defiled, said Nancy Greenstein, a spokeswoman for the University of California Police Department.


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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: crime; islam
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To: ArcLight
There have been no messages supporting this act. What there has been is a reaction from people who know that "hate crimes" only apply to classes the liberals deem worthy.
21 posted on 04/25/2003 12:25:15 PM PDT by LanPB01
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To: RedsHunter
Muslims are only allowed to touch the blood of innocent non-Muslim humans, they personally, have slain.
22 posted on 04/25/2003 12:26:19 PM PDT by F.J. Mitchell
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To: ArcLight
they should put the person who did it under the jail.

Under the jail? One would think being in jail would be unpleasant enough.

23 posted on 04/25/2003 12:26:37 PM PDT by mountaineer
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To: ArcLight
Spare me the sophistry. Nobody's used the word "cute." But you know exactly what I mean. The flippant, dismissive attitude is disgraceful. Remember when those barbarians from ACT UP defiled a Catholic Mass in New York? I feel the same way when I read this. And so should any decent person.
24 posted on 04/25/2003 12:27:38 PM PDT by ArcLight
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To: Paul Atreides
Silly! Of course not!!
25 posted on 04/25/2003 12:28:20 PM PDT by ImpotentRage
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To: kaylar
Who wants to bet this is another staged 'hate crime'

This was my first thought. It doesn't seem like an act of bigotry, but rather the 'performance' of an act of bigotry... by a perpetrator who has a flawed image of the kind of person that would do something like that; like the church burnings. Its sounds complex (almost Sicilian ...aka. Princess Bride), but stick with me. The staging of the 'pork blood' container is like a kid trying to get his brother in trouble... steal the cookies and leave a note saying 'brother did this.' Why would one leave a marked container when the act of desecration didn't require an explanantion?

Remember the staging of Lynx hairs in Northwest forests to enact land use restrictions based on endangered species regulations? Similar??

26 posted on 04/25/2003 12:29:09 PM PDT by Mr.Atos
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To: ArcLight
Was that action by ACT UP treated as a hate crime? If someone on that campus had left a defiled cross or Bible at the dormitory of a fundamentalist Christian, do you honestly think it would be treated as a hate crime?
27 posted on 04/25/2003 12:29:49 PM PDT by Paul Atreides
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To: ArcLight
I think it's cute.
28 posted on 04/25/2003 12:30:11 PM PDT by johnb838 (Understand the root causes of American Anger)
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To: RedsHunter
That's really uncalled for.

And since I don't support the idea of hate crimes, what would be the applicable charge? Vandalism?

29 posted on 04/25/2003 12:30:17 PM PDT by amused (Republicans for Sharpton!)
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To: ArcLight
My theory is that this is a little self-persecution by Muslims to stir things up - a tactic which has worked famously for members of various protected classes in the past.
30 posted on 04/25/2003 12:30:47 PM PDT by wideawake (Support our troops and their Commander-in-Chief)
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To: Paul Atreides
What do people do with pork blood?

It is one of the best yet least known remedies for a hang-over ;-)

32 posted on 04/25/2003 12:32:02 PM PDT by varon
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To: varon
What do people do with pork blood?

... and a potent aphrodesiac, I'm told.

33 posted on 04/25/2003 12:33:42 PM PDT by Mr.Atos
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To: RedsHunter; ArcLight
"... And if it's not pork blood, is it still a "hate crime?"

No, that means these Muslims did it themselves.

If it is pork blood, then ArcLight is correct.

34 posted on 04/25/2003 12:34:57 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: RedsHunter
Perhaps there is a large group of pig vampires in the Los Strangeles area?
35 posted on 04/25/2003 12:36:13 PM PDT by TheAbbodad
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To: wideawake; cardinal4
4. Have both cellphone and landline preprogrammed with 9-1-1 close at hand. What you have here is a recipe for a major myocardial infarction.
36 posted on 04/25/2003 12:37:00 PM PDT by Ax
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To: Mr.Atos
Why would one leave a marked container when the act of desecration didn't require an explanantion?

Good point. Simply desecrating the prayer mat with blood of any kind, even fake blood, would have got the message across.I remember an antiblack hate crime at a university here in the US...I wish I could remember which college, or at least which state, or the year (think it was 2000 or 2001). Anyway, the note was bizarre...It sounded like it was written by a cartoon KKK member-but it used rap slang in at least two places! Now, that could mean a young racist white kid, who is not immune to the influence rap has had on the culture....Or it could mean a young black kid trying to frame "white folks" for his own misdeeds or for attention. Don't think that case was ever resolved. I wish the perp in this case had left a note, it's analysis might have been illuminating.

37 posted on 04/25/2003 12:43:49 PM PDT by kaylar
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To: RedsHunter
5'll get you 10 this is a self-administered PR trick.
38 posted on 04/25/2003 12:47:10 PM PDT by NativeNewYorker (Freepin' Jew Boy)
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To: The KG9 Kid
"... And if it's not pork blood, is it still a "hate crime?"

Ahh... now there's something interesting. It it is not pig's blood, but was still done by bigots, is it not still a crime, based on the fact that it was committed of an emotion of hate?... regardless of whether or not it was a true act of desecration.

And if it WAS a performance, by someone wishing to create the notion that 'hateful' bigots are roaming campus with squirt-guns full of pig's blood looking for Muslims, then even if it was truly pig's blood it would not be a hate crime... because there was no real emotion of 'hate' involved.

Do you see the creepy aspect of 'hate' crimes? Under the definition of those advocating 'thought' policing, a Leftists can never be convicted of a 'hate' crime because there own motives are never considered to be hateful - reciprocal, just, impassioned, good-intentioned - but never hateful. Putting condoms in a church offering plate? That's a ideological statement protected by the First Amendment... right?

39 posted on 04/25/2003 12:49:17 PM PDT by Mr.Atos
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To: Paul Atreides
I wonder if someone had desecrated a Christian symbol, at a Christian, would it be a hate crime?

I think you and I both know the answer to that question.

40 posted on 04/25/2003 12:51:15 PM PDT by Mark17
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