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Santorum Crisis Exposes Republican Weakness
The Pro-Family Law Center ^ | 29-Apr-2003 | Scott Lively

Posted on 04/28/2003 2:25:50 PM PDT by Remedy

The Rick Santorum controversy has illuminated a serious problem in the Republican Party: its leaders seem woefully ill-prepared to defend the pro-family position on homosexuality. As an attorney who trains pro-family activists how to debate this issue, I would like to offer my fellow Republicans the following advice.

First, don't dodge the issue in fear of political correctness or pro-"gay" media bias. Stand confidently upon the essential pro-family presuppositions that resonate with people of common sense: 1) normality is that which functions according to its design, 2) the heterosexual design of the human body and the natural family is self-evident, 3) respecting the design of life produces good results (conversely, rejecting that design produces bad results) and 4) simple observation validates these assumptions. No special education or "scientific" study is required.

Failure to articulate the logic of our position cedes the moral and intellectual battleground to the militant "gays," and leaves the impression (even among our own supporters) that we have no reasonable response, other than religious belief, to their attack on family values.

Second, contest the hidden false assumption underlying most pro-"gay" arguments that homosexuality is immutable. We have a strong case on this point since 1) proponents of the "gays are born that way" justification for normalizing homosexuality bear the burden of proof, 2) proof is absolutely necessary due to the severity of social change which is contemplated by their demands, 3) proponents cannot prove that homosexuality is immutable (Indeed, ex-homosexuals can prove that it is not.), 3) if homosexuality is not immutable, then logically it must be acquired (children being the most likely to acquire the condition because of their vulnerability to social conditioning), and 4) society must err on the side of caution, actively discouraging the normalization of homosexuality in order to protect children and others from the possibility of acquiring a homosexual condition with its attendant health risks.

Third, expose the deceptive terms, such as sexual orientation, diversity and homophobia, which are used by pro-"gay" proponents to confuse the issue and control the debate. This requires nothing but making them define their terms at the start of argument, then focusing the debate on clarifying the definitions and exposing their illogic and hypocrisy.

Consider sexual orientation, for example. Does orientation mean "state of mind" or conduct? If it includes conduct, which conduct? Does it include sodomy? Fisting? Rimming? Sadism? If not, why not? Regarding diversity, what is the standard used to decide who gets to be in the circle of inclusion? They don't have one, but you'll have fun with this -- especially if they attempt to draw the line at "hate" groups. What is their definition of hate? (and by that definition, do they "hate" us and thereby invalidate their own membership in the community of diversity?) Speaking of hate, remember that they have defined homophobia as "hate and fear of homosexuals." Ask them to identify some examples of non-homophobic opposition to homosexuality. They can't do it because they define all opposition as "homophobic." Do they really believe that disapproval of sodomy/rimming/fisting/sadism is irrational bigotry? You get the idea. You'll find that this technique derails virtually every pro-"gay" argument because each one relies on deceptive rhetoric.

Fourth and finally, get off the defensive and take the offensive on the homosexual issue by purging "gay" activism from the Republican Party. The implicit goal of the "gay" movement is the normalization of an anything-goes sexual morality -- the antithesis of the family values so dear to our Republican base. Instead of inviting into our tent the very constituency that many Republicans have spent years and fortunes opposing, why not conduct a meaningful family-values outreach to ethnic minorities? Let the Democrats continue to be the party of sexual deviance and let us exploit that identification to woo away their healthy families to the higher Republican standard.

What is needed from Republican leaders is articulate, confident and continual advocacy of the pro-family world view. Without it, we might as well say farewell to Rick Santorum and other defenders of family values, because if things continue as they are, these courageous people will have no place in the future GOP, the Gays' Other Party.


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To: EternalVigilance
No, try to pay attention. Lest you forget, I'm referring to your contention in post #102 that we shouldn't be concerned about selective prosecution. If you're not the victim of it, why do you care? That seems a bit cavalier and disingenuous to me. You seem to condone an arbitrary enforcement of the law. That's troubling.

As for homosexuals, I couldn't care less what they do. It's none of my business. I'm not so sure why you make it yours.

161 posted on 04/29/2003 8:27:35 AM PDT by tdadams
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To: tdadams
I'm not so sure why you make it yours.

Because they are trying mightily, with my tax dollars, to force their immoral and dangerous lifestyle choices on me, and to indoctrinate my children in it.

Get it?

162 posted on 04/29/2003 8:34:29 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance
Well, I really think it's a matter of perception. If you make your living, or your name in politics, based on fighting a certain boogeyman, you see that boogeyman everywhere.

Personally, I've worked in the entertainment business so consequently I know a few homosexuals. I don't condone their preferences, but neither do I feel the least bit threatened by them. Nor do I think the vast majority of them are pushing the radical agenda. Most of them simply wish to be left alone.

Now I know there may be some who are leftist radicals who push an unacceptable agenda, but let's not judge a whole group of people based on what the most radical and preposterous of them do. God forbid, if conservatives were judged by that standard the left could just as easily paint us all as David Duke and Pat Buchanan.

Get a little perspective won't you? Live and let live. Isn't that what being a free country is all about?

163 posted on 04/29/2003 8:43:10 AM PDT by tdadams
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To: tdadams
Get a little perspective won't you? Live and let live. Isn't that what being a free country is all about?

IMO, you are naive concerning the moral, spiritual and physical harm the homosexual agenda can bring on America if we allow it.

164 posted on 04/29/2003 8:50:27 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance
Sorry, I'll have to disagree and say I'm not naive. I find that a bit patronizing to be honest. Can't you conceive that you're simply hysterical?
165 posted on 04/29/2003 8:58:46 AM PDT by tdadams
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To: tdadams
I think Msg#153 neatly describes the sort of invincible ignorance you're up against here....
166 posted on 04/29/2003 9:00:46 AM PDT by steve-b
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To: tdadams
Is it hysterical to be offended that my tax dollars are being used to indoctrinate my children in behaviors that I consider to be abominable, and which are by any scientific measure destructive to my country and society?

Again, you are naive.

You remind me of those who coo about how Islam is a religion of peace.

Get your head out of the sand, and wake up to the dangers posed by this homosexual drive to force all of us to accept their immorality.
167 posted on 04/29/2003 9:11:22 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: Remedy
AWESOME POST ! my sister is a lesbian and these are some of the points i've tried to make, but could never find the right words. thanks
168 posted on 04/29/2003 9:12:40 AM PDT by gdc61 ("santorum for president" 2008)
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To: EternalVigilance
Is it hysterical to be offended that my tax dollars are being used to indoctrinate my children in behaviors that I consider to be abominable

Isn't your child's moral upbringing your responsibility? You're apparently concerned that some stranger is going to have more influence over your child than you are. That's a sad commentary.

Sorry, I'm not buying your fear mongering. That doesn't make me naive. In fact I think it's highly ironic that someone who presumably wouldn't cross the room to talk to a homosexual can postulate that he has a more all-emcompassing view of the situation.

169 posted on 04/29/2003 9:21:33 AM PDT by tdadams
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To: tdadams
Isn't your child's moral upbringing your responsibility?

Yes. That's why I will fight to prevent homosexuals and their enablers from corrupting them.

You're apparently concerned that some stranger is going to have more influence over your child than you are. That's a sad commentary.

Nice straw man.

Sorry, I'm not buying your fear mongering. That doesn't make me naive.

You are oblivous to the dangers faced by an America that has slid so far down into the moral sewer that it will accept sexual deviancy as normal, and in fact celebrate it. If you aren't naive, you are something worse. I was trying to be charitable.

In fact I think it's highly ironic that someone who presumably wouldn't cross the room to talk to a homosexual can postulate that he has a more all-emcompassing view of the situation.

You're right, I wouldn't give a person who is proud of their sin, and flaunts it, much of my time at all. However, my view is based on an understanding of the scripture, in addition to an understanding of what happened to every nation in history that went down the path you promote.

Thankfully, you all are still a very small minority in this country.

170 posted on 04/29/2003 9:34:07 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: Asclepius
i get a kick out of these posts!

from having done therapy for years, i tell you the interest in homosexuality is not normal on this forum.

some of these ranters will be coming out of the closet themselves.

just because some people don't like gays, does not mean that they will be leaving. afterall, they've been around forever.

that's the problem with religions--they all discriminate against each other.


santorum and his buds here actually work against the republican party.

president bush will not be taking actions against homosexuals nor against illegals. for one reason, both contribute more to the american economy than most of the whiners here. look at the stats.
171 posted on 04/29/2003 9:40:56 AM PDT by liberalnot
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To: liberalnot

172 posted on 04/29/2003 9:46:18 AM PDT by Remedy
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To: EternalVigilance
You are oblivous to the dangers faced by an America that has slid so far down into the moral sewer that it will accept sexual deviancy as normal

It's not that I'm oblivious, I simply reject your definitions. What you see as a moral degredation, I see as neutral, neither moral nor immoral. You want me to agree with you that America faces a great threat from homosexuals. I don't agree. I think America will be just fine.

You have as much of an agenda as the homosexuals you hate.

173 posted on 04/29/2003 10:04:14 AM PDT by tdadams
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To: tdadams
You have as much of an agenda as the homosexuals you hate.

Nothing wrong with an agenda, if it promotes the good of the country.

Your moral relativism is better suited to DU than FR.

174 posted on 04/29/2003 10:07:22 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance
Nothing wrong with an agenda, if it promotes the good of the country.

As I said, it's a matter of definitions. I dare say, in a nation of 290 million people, there are quite a few who would disagree with your definition of "good of the country."

Your moral relativism is better suited to DU than FR.

Please, we're having a decent debate here. I didn't think you'd resort to the typical pablum of Freepers who can't make their case by reasoning.

175 posted on 04/29/2003 10:17:53 AM PDT by tdadams
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To: tdadams
I was simply stating a fact.

You are, on this issue, a moral relativist.
176 posted on 04/29/2003 10:29:14 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: tdadams
As I said, it's a matter of definitions. I dare say, in a nation of 290 million people, there are quite a few who would disagree with your definition of "good of the country."

I'm sure there are far more who agree with me than agree with you...overwhelmingly more.

But of course, right or wrong cannot be decided by a poll.

177 posted on 04/29/2003 10:32:30 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance
You are, on this issue, a moral relativist.

How am I being morally relativist? Was I being equivocal or arbitrary? No. I disagree with you, that doesn't make my opinion relativistic. You're simply using that term as an epithet because you can't make your case.

178 posted on 04/29/2003 10:58:49 AM PDT by tdadams
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To: EternalVigilance
I'm sure there are far more who agree with me than agree with you...overwhelmingly more.

You can't convince me of that just by saying so.

But of course, right or wrong cannot be decided by a poll.

Absolutely true. And simply because a majority may agree on something doesn't make it right, like being in the minority doesn't necessarily make one wrong.

179 posted on 04/29/2003 11:01:28 AM PDT by tdadams
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To: tdadams
What you see as a moral degredation, I see as neutral, neither moral nor immoral.

Your words, not mine.

180 posted on 04/29/2003 11:01:43 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
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