The Dini-gration of Darwinism

AgapePress ^ | April 29, 2003 | Mike S. Adams

[kkindt]

Bacteria do not become resistant to antibotics. It's just that the ones that are resistant survive and the other ones die out. But the resistant ones were there in the first place. There is no evidence that mutations caused that resistance in some that others did not have. It is just possible that ALL of the bacteria at one point in history HAD that resistance but some, through mutations LOST IT.

There is no proof that mutations gave the surving bacteria that resistance. NONE. Cite your scientific research for this one. It is just that you have accepted the common assumption that is SOME creatures survive and others die out and some have a feature that helped them surive that that feature MUST HAVE been the result of a mutation. WHY SO? If you do not observe the mutation happening - it is possible that the DNA Of this creature contained that feature and some received it and some lost it. HOW the feature got there in the first place SCIENCE DOES NOT KNOW but scientist do speculate.

[Junior]

That is, to all appearances, irrational. Isn't it quoted in it's entirety in #275?

But that posting was by a creationist, and therefore held to a different standard.

[kkindt]

evolutionist who believe that there is a god who used evolutionary method to bring us about must also believe that this god is pretty bad - using DEATH and nature raw tooth and claw to "evolve" humans in a struggle of the survival of the fittest - wow some kind of god he is

[Junior]

It's just that the ones that are resistant survive and the other ones die out.

And how did those few bacteria get their antibiotic resistance? Were they specially created that way or did they descend from non-resistant bacteria? If they were specially created that way, why would God create a bacteria that would defeat man's attempts to survive it? Does God hate people that much?

[Junior]

But your the one who said God created antibiotic-resistant bacteria so that man would be subject to lethal superbugs. How about those pesticide-resistant insects that devour food meant for us?

[balrog666]

wow some kind of god he is

Did miss something? I thought that was your little god.

[atlaw]

"evolutionist who believe that there is a god who used evolutionary method to bring us about must also believe that this god is pretty bad - using DEATH and nature raw tooth and claw to "evolve" humans in a struggle of the survival of the fittest - wow some kind of god he is"

I don't think I understand what you're saying here. Why would God on the one hand be "pretty bad" if He used "death and nature raw tooth and claw" to "'evolve' humans", but on the other hand be (presumably) "pretty good" if He simply imposed "death and nature raw tooth and claw" after the fact?

[Lurking Libertarian]

There is no proof that mutations gave the surving bacteria that resistance. NONE. Cite your scientific research for this one.

Try here.

[Right Wing Professor]

There is no proof that mutations gave the surving bacteria that resistance. NONE. Cite your scientific research for this one.

Oooh, ooh, let me!

This paper and others it cites shows both in vitro and in vivo that antibiotic resistance to cefotaxime, cefuroxime, ceftazadime, and aztreonam evolved by single amino-acid substitutions from an ancestral penicillinase gene. The authors conclusion (and I quote) "The authors take this result as evidence that their in vitro evolution technique accurately mimics natural evolution and can therefore be used to predict the results of natural evolutionary processes. "

Predicting evolutionary potential: In vitro evolution accurately reproduces natural evolution of the TEM b-lactamase. Barlow, Miriam; Hall, Barry G. Biology Department, University of Rochester, Rochester, NY, USA. Genetics (2002), 160(3), 823-832.

[whattajoke]

Ask your god why he made my spinal column and knees not particularly well suited for urban life. While you're at it, help a brother out with my nipples and my appendix. Oh, and perhaps some insight (pun intended) into why my eyes are certainly not suited for close reading at all.

Shall I continue or are your neurons on overload? Of course not, because you fail to see my point.

[balrog666]

Oooh, ooh, let me!

Don't look now, but your inner primate is showing. Ooh, ooh, ook!

[PatrickHenry]

Perfectly innocent, non-offensive, non-Darwinian, and content-free placemarker.
(It is wise to appease the mods, blessed be they.)

[whattajoke]

So wait... the fossil record (planted by satan) is actually a snapshot of all those species who "devolved" to the point of extinction? And the current scientific understanding that these fossils represent a progression, of sorts, are wrong in that they *actually* show "devolved" species that didn't start out with the "top of the line" mutation/perfection dna code?

dude, I smell MAJOR grant money and awards for you! You've turned all biology, paleontology, geology, genetics, and many more on their heads! And to think... we all knew you back when you were just a freeper...

Good luck with your first peer reviewed paper!

/creationist backslapping mode>

[js1138]

And the observed fact that nature is pretty cruel is explained by you in what way?

[Right Wing Professor]

Ask your god why he made my spinal column and knees not particularly well suited for urban life.

That's 'cos your knees are for kneeling. See, God even made the two words similar, to give you a big clue.

While you're at it, help a brother out with my nipples and my appendix.

This is no place for personal ads.

Oh, and perhaps some insight (pun intended) into why my eyes are certainly not suited for close reading at all.

Didn't they warn you about that when you were approaching puberty? !@#$% public schools!

[longshadow]

inner primate placemarker

oook! ook!

[PatrickHenry]

I love the mods.

O masters, if I were disposed to stir
Your hearts and minds to mutiny and rage,
I should do Brutus wrong, and Cassius wrong,
Who, you all know, are honourable men:
I will not do them wrong; I rather choose
To wrong the dead, to wrong myself and you,
Than I will wrong such honourable men.

-- Shakespeare, Julius Caesar, Act III, Scene 2

[Right Wing Professor]

Don't look now, but your inner primate is showing

My inner primate is a bonobo. For a long time when I was younger I'd cruise singles bars with a bunch of bananas, hoping to get lucky. Trouble is, very few wimmin seem to be in touch with their inner bonobo.

[Right Wing Professor]

You forgot the /Elizabethan irony tag.

[PatrickHenry]

Some things are just understood. By the way, did you ever find a woman who would grab for the bananna?