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WHO or WHOM? A 90% Trick
Self | 30APR03 | bannie

Posted on 04/30/2003 6:15:29 PM PDT by bannie

In a recent thread, we discussed teachers' various abilities/inabilities. With the banter about math "blocks," I had to start calling people on the frequent mis-usage of the pronoun "that."

I teased others--and I hope the understood my playful intent! Even true mathematicians can make simple mistakes in math. Likewise, even true grammarians can make simple mistakes in grammar. I only made note because of the subject of the thread (An English teacher who was having trouble passing a required math test).

In the thread, I mentioned that I could give a quick-fix lesson on how to determine whether one should use the pronoun "who" or the pronoun "whom."

The Rule:
WHO = SUBJECTIVE
WHOM = OBJECTIVE
or...
While "who" holds the grammatical position of a SUBJECT, "whom" holds the grammatical position of an OBJECT.
Subject = the "doer." Object = the DIRECT OBJECT or the INDIRECT OBJECT or the OBJECT of a preposition...the "do-ee."

THE TRICK:

IF replacing the who/whom in question with HE--simply because it SOUNDS BETTER--use WHO.

IF replacing the who/whom in question with HIM--simply because it SOUNDS BETTER--use WHOM.

IE:
With the question:

To who/whom should I give the "Offed by a Clinton" Award?

Try replacing the space with each, "he" and "him."
Although it's not totally "sensical," the better sounding choice is...

To HIM should I give...

(more clearly, Should I give the "Offed by a Clinton" award to HIM?
SOOOOOooooo...since "HIM" = "WHOM,"

the correct "who/whom-ness" of the question should be:

To WHOM should I give...?

IE:
Who/Whom was the oldest goat in the pool?

Try replacing the space with each, "he" and "him."

It makes much more sense to the ear to replace the who/whom with:

He was the oldest...

than with:

Him was the oldest...

SOOOOOoooooo....since "HE" = "WHO"...

The answer is...WHO was the oldest goat in the pool?


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To: bannie
The little tongue twisted we used to chant as a reference was:

Who holds whom for whom?
For whom does who hold what?


81 posted on 04/30/2003 7:27:48 PM PDT by TaxRelief
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To: Rocky
I hear you, Rocky.

I, however, will NEVER give in to the PC crowd. I will go right on using "he" when it is appropriate, and I will teach my children to use the proper wording, too. Anyone who complains can stick it.

Regards,
82 posted on 04/30/2003 7:29:09 PM PDT by VermiciousKnid
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To: Erasmus
"Bad Boys Rape Our Young Girls But Violet Goes Willingly"

I learned this one differently:

Batman Bl*w Robin On Yonder Gotham Bridge. Very Good Work.
83 posted on 04/30/2003 7:30:28 PM PDT by Poser
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma
Yes, they are in order. Usually. I believe that Uranus and Pluto occasionally switch orbits, but I wouldn't bet my last nickel on that.

I'm sure some astronomy whiz here on FR will be able to tell you for sure.

Regards,
84 posted on 04/30/2003 7:30:45 PM PDT by VermiciousKnid
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To: Senator Pardek
Cello player?

High School boys glee club dropout!

85 posted on 04/30/2003 7:32:34 PM PDT by CharacterCounts
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To: bannie
How does this affect bunnies?
87 posted on 04/30/2003 7:32:59 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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To: bannie

"Whom luvs ya, baby?!"

88 posted on 04/30/2003 7:33:43 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Subvert the conspiracy of inanimate objects!)
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To: Anamensis
Remember your trigonometry? I don't. (LOL) Actually, just about the ONLY thing I remember from trig is Chief SohCahToa.

SOH = Sine = Opposite/Hypotenuse
CAH = Cosine = Adjacent/Hypotenuse
TOA = Tangent = Opposite/Adjacent

Regards,
90 posted on 04/30/2003 7:34:50 PM PDT by VermiciousKnid
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To: Fifth Business
Whence he comes, thence he goes, hence he comes again.

Means: From where he comes, from then he goes and he will come again.
91 posted on 04/30/2003 7:36:17 PM PDT by TaxRelief (That really helped, huh?)
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To: VermiciousKnid
That's Neptune & Pluto... in fact, Pluto only within the last few years crossed back and once again became the more distant planet.
92 posted on 04/30/2003 7:36:24 PM PDT by Sloth ("I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!" -- Jacobim Mugatu, 'Zoolander')
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To: bannie
The Whom:


93 posted on 04/30/2003 7:37:07 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Subvert the conspiracy of inanimate objects!)
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To: Sloth
See? I KNEW somebody would know for sure! Thanks, Sloth.

Regards,
94 posted on 04/30/2003 7:38:13 PM PDT by VermiciousKnid
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma
Mother Visits Every Sunday Just Stays Until Noon Period.
95 posted on 04/30/2003 7:38:58 PM PDT by pbear8 ( sed libera nos a malo)
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To: Revolting cat!
LOL. That's funny!
96 posted on 04/30/2003 7:39:09 PM PDT by VermiciousKnid
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To: VermiciousKnid
SohCahToa

Sine = Opposite/Hypotenuse
Cosine = Adjacent/Hypotenuse
Tangent = Opposite/Adjacent
97 posted on 04/30/2003 7:39:20 PM PDT by Rocky
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To: bannie
Them:


98 posted on 04/30/2003 7:40:44 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Subvert the conspiracy of inanimate objects!)
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To: Rocky
Use one/one's to keep it singular. I don't care if 'he' is sexist: I still use the masculine whenever I desire. They'll get over it. No other language has tried to eliminate the feminine/masculine.
99 posted on 04/30/2003 7:41:04 PM PDT by TaxRelief
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To: bannie

Whom do you love?
100 posted on 04/30/2003 7:41:38 PM PDT by openotherend (I'm their leader! Which way did they go?)
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