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Selective Morality (Santorum)
Jewish World Review ^ | May 5, 2003 | Avi Shafran

Posted on 05/05/2003 4:56:33 AM PDT by Alouette

In one of those meaningful coincidences that Jung called "synchronistic events," Senator Rick Santorum's controversial comments about sexual morality came mere days before the Sabbath whose Torah-portion addressed the very topic.

For anyone who may have been in a wine-induced stupor over the entire week of Passover, the Pennsylvania Republican, discussing a Texas sodomy statute currently before the U.S. Supreme Court, told a reporter that if the Court endorses a fundamental "privacy" right to homosexual acts, "then you have the right to incest, you have the right to adultery. You have the right to anything."

A furor, predictably, ensued. The Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee demanded that Mr. Santorum step down as chairman of the Senate Republican Conference. The Republican Unity Coalition demanded an apology to gays. And David Smith, spokesperson of the Human Rights Campaign, a national gay rights organization, accused the Senator of "disparaging an entire group of Americans" and "advocating that a certain segment of American society be disavowed from constitutional protection."

"He put being gay on the same legal and moral plane as a person who commits incest," Mr. Smith charged. "That is repugnant in our view and not right."

What Mr. Santorum did, put more accurately, was place homosexual and incestuous activities on the same plane, and in that he had that Sabbath's Torah-reading in his support. That weekly portion, Acharei Mot, contains a long list of forbidden unions (which list comprises as well the Torah reading for the afternoon of Yom Kippur, the holiest day of the Jewish year). The roster includes incestuous, bestial and homosexual unions.

It is considered gauche these days, if not worse, to associate the latter category in any way with the former ones. But it cannot be denied that the Torah, the source of what the world has come to call morality, does precisely that. Both incestuous and homosexual unions are prohibited equally, and in no uncertain terms.

Whether secular law should reflect a concern with morality is arguable. A true libertarian would consider it no business at all of the state to legislate any private behavior between adults. But if said libertarian is truly true, he or she would have to accept incest - intimate relations between a brother and his sister, for example, or a father and his adult daughter - as well as polygamous and polyandrous (multi-husband) arrangements, and bestiality (which has its advocates, like Princeton Professor Peter Singer) no less than homosexual relations.

The Orthodox Jewish organization I represent, Agudath Israel of America, often advocates in defense of personal rights. Libertarian, though, it is not. Its brief in the current case before the Supreme Court explains that it makes its submission not to "advocate that the modern-day secular state should use its police power against persons who engage in homosexual sodomy, but because we are deeply concerned about the potential far-reaching consequences of a decision that states are constitutionally prohibited from doing so." Such a decision, the brief notes, might well lead "to the jettisoning of many if not all morality-based laws."

Most Americans (presumably including the Human Rights Campaign's Mr. Smith, judging by his umbrage and apparent reluctance to extend constitutional protection to all immoral acts) believe that morality is important enough to legislate. While no law can actually prevent incest, for example, laws serve not only a practical purpose but an important educational one as well. As Agudath Israel's brief goes on to note: "The laws by which a society chooses to govern itself have, among other things, an educative function; they establish norms of conduct deemed acceptable by the society. even if they are not actually enforced." Thus it is that we enact laws against immoral behavior. What Mr. Santorum's critics would like, however, is the privilege to do so selectively.

To be sure, the current American cultural milieu heartily embraces such selective morality. So did a number of ancient cultures. But for those of us who believe that while the Constitution prohibits the establishment of religion it does not abandon the concept of morality, the prospect of our society being constitutionally compelled to cut its moral moorings is not something to countenance lightly.

That gay groups are politically influential and gay characters are regularly featured in mass media makes it all the more important for us all to hear occasional reminders of the fact that there is a less fleeting - in fact timeless - source for our moral code, and that it does not allow for picking and choosing.

And so, amid the loud sounds of indignation and condemnation, there might well be some quieter, more thoughtful, expressions of gratitude to Senator Santorum, for having forced us all to confront an uncomfortable but important societal issue: the meaning of morality.


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1 posted on 05/05/2003 4:56:33 AM PDT by Alouette
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To: Alouette
Good find.
2 posted on 05/05/2003 5:01:07 AM PDT by moneyrunner (I have not flattered its rank breath, nor bowed to its idolatries a patient knee.)
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To: Alouette
And so, amid the loud sounds of indignation and condemnation, there might well be some quieter, more thoughtful, expressions of gratitude to Senator Santorum, for having forced us all to confront an uncomfortable but important societal issue: the meaning of morality.

This is so easy - - - - read the Torah or the Old Testiment of the Christian Bible. Both say the same thing - - everything that SEN. Santorum railed against is an abomination in the eyes of GOD.

Does anyone remember the story of why the great flood, then the story of why Lot had to leave his home town of Sodom, then all the stories of the evil, amoral, and unjust kings and their eveil doings? It's all there you just have to read it to know the SEN. is 100% right and should be defended to the MAX.

3 posted on 05/05/2003 5:06:02 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: Alouette
The fact is that when you unmoor sexuality from it's ultimate purpose, reproduction, you end up with going nowhere, lost souls.
4 posted on 05/05/2003 5:15:30 AM PDT by ricpic
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To: SandRat
This is so easy - - - - read the Torah or the Old Testiment of the Christian Bible. Both say the same thing - - everything that SEN. Santorum railed against is an abomination in the eyes of GOD.

It's even in the New Testament, 1 Corinthians 6:9 - Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate(Homosexual,Transsexual), nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

5 posted on 05/05/2003 5:16:27 AM PDT by Zavien Doombringer (If I keep my eyes on Jesus, I could walk on water - Audio Adrenaline)
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To: Alouette
A part of the problem is that we don't respond to the heart of the issue. Individuals who engage in a behavior claim a protected identity and rights centered around that behavior and contrived identity. This is philosophically contrary to the basis of our constitutional freedoms. We are endowed with rights owing to OUR HUMANITY not a particular behavior. Individuals are free to identify themselves as they please, gay, homosexual, clown, pirate, cowboy, etc, however, our constitutional rights are established around our COMMON identity, i.e. HUMAN.
7 posted on 05/05/2003 5:31:15 AM PDT by McBuff
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To: SandRat
This is so easy - - - - read the Torah or the Old Testiment of the Christian Bible. Both say the same thing - - everything that SEN. Santorum railed against is an abomination in the eyes of GOD.

Not as easy as you think. These people don't believe in God. Most of them are atheists. Have you ever been to DU? Most of the folks in there are non-believers. Do you think Bill and Hillary believe in a power from above? The Torah and Bible will never be accepted by them. That's why they form their own churches where preachers,'tickle their ears'.

8 posted on 05/05/2003 6:11:26 AM PDT by shiva
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To: TonyRo76
Good point, the NIV is a good tool, I prefer to use both with a concordance to get the full meaning. Sometimes it is good to see the rough translations. The meaning of the text is still embodied. I don't bother arguing with the Homosexuals, they have a rebrobate mind and refuse to ackowledge God.

Romans 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

9 posted on 05/05/2003 6:12:29 AM PDT by Zavien Doombringer (If I keep my eyes on Jesus, I could walk on water - Audio Adrenaline)
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To: Alouette
"Most Americans... believe that morality is important enough to legislate. While no law can actually prevent incest, for example, laws serve not only a practical purpose but an important educational one as well."

If the full force of the coercive state via morality laws is needed for "important educational" purposes to teach morality, then churches, mosques, and synagogues are abject failures at teaching morality.

I learned that incest was wrong and to avoid that type of behavior long before I knew it was illegal.

No law prohibiting murder is necessary for me not to kill a fellow citizen, unless in self-defense.

The point is, moral people do not need moral laws to act morally.

10 posted on 05/05/2003 6:42:00 AM PDT by tahiti
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To: tahiti
moral people do not need moral laws to act morally.

But moral people need moral laws in order to prosecute immoral people who act immorally.

11 posted on 05/05/2003 6:45:31 AM PDT by Alouette (Why is it called "International Law" if only Israel and the United States are expected to keep it?)
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To: Alouette
He's not going anywhere. This is yet another creepy Democrat attempt to 'unelect' somebody.

Oh well, I suppose I'll just have to vote for him again.

13 posted on 05/05/2003 9:49:54 AM PDT by He Rides A White Horse
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To: Alouette
He's going places, and they want to launch a preemptive strike against his career.

I for one don't care to have my vote neutralized simply because some rabid left wingers demand it. Those days are coming to an end.

14 posted on 05/05/2003 9:55:57 AM PDT by He Rides A White Horse
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To: Alouette
Sure, step down Senator Santorum. Step down when all the Democrats turn themselves in for treason.
15 posted on 05/05/2003 10:00:45 AM PDT by He Rides A White Horse
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To: Alouette
For anyone who may have been in a wine-induced stupor over the entire week of Passover

Four cups will do that to you... well, four cups, two or three times a day...

16 posted on 05/05/2003 10:01:44 AM PDT by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: Alouette
But if said libertarian is truly true, he or she would have to accept incest - intimate relations between a brother and his sister, for example, or a father and his adult daughter - as well as polygamous and polyandrous (multi-husband) arrangements, and bestiality (which has its advocates, like Princeton Professor Peter Singer) no less than homosexual relations.

Haa!

So far I have seen no "civil libertarian" who would admit to this.

17 posted on 05/05/2003 10:05:49 AM PDT by k2blader (Reason is our soul's left hand, Faith her right. - John Donne)
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To: TonyRo76
RSV—the politically correct version for National Council of Churches types

I think you mean the NRSV, Tony! The RSV is one of the better translations.

18 posted on 05/05/2003 10:14:56 AM PDT by ThomasMore
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To: TonyRo76
But I'm still thinking for some reason the RSV (maybe both of those translations?) swapped the term "virgin" for "young woman" in the Isaiah passage

"For some reason"--the reason that comes to mind is that the Hebrew word in the Isaiah passage is ALMAH which means, "a young woman." The Hebrew word for virgin is BETHULAH which does not occur in that passage.

20 posted on 05/05/2003 10:56:48 AM PDT by Alouette (Why is it called "International Law" if only Israel and the United States are expected to keep it?)
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