Selective Morality (Santorum)

Jewish World Review ^ | May 5, 2003 | Avi Shafran

[moneyrunner]

Good find.

[SandRat]

And so, amid the loud sounds of indignation and condemnation, there might well be some quieter, more thoughtful, expressions of gratitude to Senator Santorum, for having forced us all to confront an uncomfortable but important societal issue: the meaning of morality.

This is so easy - - - - read the Torah or the Old Testiment of the Christian Bible. Both say the same thing - - everything that SEN. Santorum railed against is an abomination in the eyes of GOD.

Does anyone remember the story of why the great flood, then the story of why Lot had to leave his home town of Sodom, then all the stories of the evil, amoral, and unjust kings and their eveil doings? It's all there you just have to read it to know the SEN. is 100% right and should be defended to the MAX.

[ricpic]

The fact is that when you unmoor sexuality from it's ultimate purpose, reproduction, you end up with going nowhere, lost souls.

[Zavien Doombringer]

This is so easy - - - - read the Torah or the Old Testiment of the Christian Bible. Both say the same thing - - everything that SEN. Santorum railed against is an abomination in the eyes of GOD.

It's even in the New Testament, 1 Corinthians 6:9 - Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate(Homosexual,Transsexual), nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

[McBuff]

A part of the problem is that we don't respond to the heart of the issue. Individuals who engage in a behavior claim a protected identity and rights centered around that behavior and contrived identity. This is philosophically contrary to the basis of our constitutional freedoms. We are endowed with rights owing to OUR HUMANITY not a particular behavior. Individuals are free to identify themselves as they please, gay, homosexual, clown, pirate, cowboy, etc, however, our constitutional rights are established around our COMMON identity, i.e. HUMAN.

[shiva]

This is so easy - - - - read the Torah or the Old Testiment of the Christian Bible. Both say the same thing - - everything that SEN. Santorum railed against is an abomination in the eyes of GOD.

Not as easy as you think. These people don't believe in God. Most of them are atheists. Have you ever been to DU? Most of the folks in there are non-believers. Do you think Bill and Hillary believe in a power from above? The Torah and Bible will never be accepted by them. That's why they form their own churches where preachers,'tickle their ears'.

[Zavien Doombringer]

Good point, the NIV is a good tool, I prefer to use both with a concordance to get the full meaning. Sometimes it is good to see the rough translations. The meaning of the text is still embodied. I don't bother arguing with the Homosexuals, they have a rebrobate mind and refuse to ackowledge God.

Romans 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

[tahiti]

"Most Americans... believe that morality is important enough to legislate. While no law can actually prevent incest, for example, laws serve not only a practical purpose but an important educational one as well."

If the full force of the coercive state via morality laws is needed for "important educational" purposes to teach morality, then churches, mosques, and synagogues are abject failures at teaching morality.

I learned that incest was wrong and to avoid that type of behavior long before I knew it was illegal.

No law prohibiting murder is necessary for me not to kill a fellow citizen, unless in self-defense.

The point is, moral people do not need moral laws to act morally.

[Alouette]

moral people do not need moral laws to act morally.

But moral people need moral laws in order to prosecute immoral people who act immorally.

[He Rides A White Horse]

He's not going anywhere. This is yet another creepy Democrat attempt to 'unelect' somebody.

Oh well, I suppose I'll just have to vote for him again.

[He Rides A White Horse]

He's going places, and they want to launch a preemptive strike against his career.

I for one don't care to have my vote neutralized simply because some rabid left wingers demand it. Those days are coming to an end.

[He Rides A White Horse]

Sure, step down Senator Santorum. Step down when all the Democrats turn themselves in for treason.

[xm177e2]

For anyone who may have been in a wine-induced stupor over the entire week of Passover

Four cups will do that to you... well, four cups, two or three times a day...

[k2blader]

But if said libertarian is truly true, he or she would have to accept incest - intimate relations between a brother and his sister, for example, or a father and his adult daughter - as well as polygamous and polyandrous (multi-husband) arrangements, and bestiality (which has its advocates, like Princeton Professor Peter Singer) no less than homosexual relations.

Haa!

So far I have seen no "civil libertarian" who would admit to this.

[ThomasMore]

RSV—the politically correct version for National Council of Churches types

I think you mean the NRSV, Tony! The RSV is one of the better translations.

[Alouette]

But I'm still thinking for some reason the RSV (maybe both of those translations?) swapped the term "virgin" for "young woman" in the Isaiah passage

"For some reason"--the reason that comes to mind is that the Hebrew word in the Isaiah passage is ALMAH which means, "a young woman." The Hebrew word for virgin is BETHULAH which does not occur in that passage.