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Senate unseals McCarthy transcripts
Sac Bee ^ | 5/5/03 | Frederic J. Frommer - AP

Posted on 05/05/2003 9:26:21 AM PDT by NormsRevenge

Edited on 04/12/2004 5:50:46 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

WASHINGTON (AP) - Pushing an anti-communist crusade that riveted America a half century ago, Joseph McCarthy manipulated his Senate hearings by calling witnesses he could intimidate and ignoring those likely to oppose him, newly released transcripts show.

Among the roughly 400 witnesses covered in transcripts of closed door meetings, made public Monday by the Senate, are composer Aaron Copland, New York Times journalist James Reston and Eslanda Goode Robeson, the wife of blacklisted singer-actor Paul Robeson. Some 4,000 pages of newly released documents also show that McCarthy was convinced that many writers, government officials and secretaries had access to classified information.


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From Reuters last night

Joe McCarthy Secret Hearings to Be Unveiled Monday

1 posted on 05/05/2003 9:26:22 AM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge
Cohn: In other words, as of today you don't have any firm thought?

Copland: I would be inclined to allow the faculty of the university to decide that.

Funny stuff. Some cool characters before that Committee.

2 posted on 05/05/2003 9:36:56 AM PDT by KellyAdmirer
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To: KellyAdmirer
Joe McCarthy was right.
3 posted on 05/05/2003 9:41:17 AM PDT by TheCrusader
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To: NormsRevenge
...Oshinsky said communists had indeed infiltrated the government during the 1930s and 1940s, but by the time McCarthy launched his investigation that had pretty much been stamped out...

Let's see, there are at least fifty admitted communists in the Congress today.

I notice that everyone critizes McArthy, but few admit that he was right about most of it.
He WAS an ass, though.
4 posted on 05/05/2003 9:41:44 AM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com
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Link to the Senate COMMITTEE ON GOVERNMENTAL AFFAIRS / PERMANENT SUBCOMMITTEE ON INVESTIGATIONS page for information now being "disclosed".

WARNING -- These are big files!!!


5 posted on 05/05/2003 9:52:42 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi .. Support FRee Republic)
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To: TheCrusader
A lot of people don't recall the Robert Kennedy worked on McCarthy's committee, McCarthy was godfather to Bobby's son Joe, and JFK called him as a "good american"...
6 posted on 05/05/2003 9:54:10 AM PDT by jd777
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To: NormsRevenge
Was McCarthy good or bad for the cause of anti-communism?
7 posted on 05/05/2003 9:54:48 AM PDT by 7beuties
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To: NormsRevenge
. . . in 1953 and 1954 at the height of the Cold War with the Soviet Union . . .

This guy can't even get well-known history correct. The Cold War had just barely begun. The term "Iron Curtain" was less than 10 years old. I think they phrase it this way in order to make it sound like the Cold War was a figment of the imagination of those affiliated with McCarthy.

McCarthy started his hearings using a list of over 100 people in government positions which had been identified as members of specific Communist cells. Most of these people worked in the Department of Agriculture. They ALL resigned when confronted.

These people had been fingered by Chambers and a black woman whose name I cannot remember. Both Chambers and the black woman confessed that they had been members of these Communist cells. Chambers went on to help Nixon convict Alger Hiss.

8 posted on 05/05/2003 9:58:49 AM PDT by the_Watchman
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To: NormsRevenge
Did McCarthy question Alger Hiss? I really would like to read that session, if it happened.
9 posted on 05/05/2003 10:00:26 AM PDT by Triple (All forms of socialism deny individuals the right to the fruits of their labor)
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To: jd777
Cohn and Bobby Kennedy actually came to blows over who was going to be the lead lawyer for the committee. One of them, I believe Cohn, sported a shiner for a while.
10 posted on 05/05/2003 10:01:10 AM PDT by the_Watchman
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To: 7beuties
Both - right message, wrong messenger.
11 posted on 05/05/2003 10:04:01 AM PDT by Chi-townChief
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To: NormsRevenge
Obviously this will give the anti-anti-Commies a few days of material.

The evening news will be about the American people standing firm against evil tax cuts, the incompetence of the US military, the greed of US corporations, and the absurdity of believing totalitarian collectivists have infiltrated all strata of US society.

Then, the press idiots will marvel at Fox's ratings.

12 posted on 05/05/2003 10:04:13 AM PDT by NativeNewYorker (Freepin' Jew Boy)
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To: 7beuties
It took quite a few years, but we did elect Ronald Reagan in 1980 and at least make a dent in the global politik. So, I would say Yes, he was good, imo.
13 posted on 05/05/2003 10:17:45 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi .. Support FRee Republic)
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To: the_Watchman
Cohn and Bobby Kennedy actually came to blows over who was going to be the lead lawyer for the committee,

If only Bobby had gotten the job, history would have been very different. Just a coincidence, I supposed, that after the Kennedys were killed there were no more Democrats of note who opposed communism, fought the mob and busted corrupt unions.

14 posted on 05/05/2003 10:18:15 AM PDT by DPB101
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To: NormsRevenge
Are these the published transcripts?
15 posted on 05/05/2003 10:19:50 AM PDT by yonif
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To: yonif
Just released, Yes.

This ought to put a dent in your college social life. ;-)

16 posted on 05/05/2003 10:22:22 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi .. Support FRee Republic)
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To: All
Link to Yahoo! News Full Coverage page re: Latest Developments in Congre$$. Currently has some links re: McCarthy transcripts featured.
17 posted on 05/05/2003 10:25:44 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi .. Support FRee Republic)
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To: DPB101
In the movie (an HBO production, I think) "Citizen Cohn", Roy Cohn is shown lobbying McCarthy for the Chief Counsel's job, then held by RFK.

Cohn's rationale was that with so many suspected communists' being Jews, it would be better -- as a shield from prospective charges of anti-semitism -- to have a Jew, rather than a Catholic, being the bad guy.

Don't know if that's true, but it seems plausible.

18 posted on 05/05/2003 10:28:53 AM PDT by Gurn
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To: DPB101
It is time for McCarthy to be rehabilitated. Because he was right. The commies were and are everywhere. Especially in the State Department and Hollywood.
19 posted on 05/05/2003 10:29:59 AM PDT by johnb838 (Understand the root causes of American Anger)
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To: NormsRevenge
Is this big news, that the Senator who was fighting Communism would choose to call only helpful witnesses to testify before public hearings? What should he have done? What do most lawyers do? Call the worthless witnesses who neither add nor detract from the case??

With this sort of thinking, I expect the whole process of Voir Dire to be thrown out. "Sir, is it not true that you actually moved to keep one or more potential jurors out of the jury box? Are you trying to rig this trial, sir?"

20 posted on 05/05/2003 10:31:50 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: NormsRevenge
My grandfather was investigated by this committee, but his accuser was a Democrat, not a Republican. He was his opponent for office in the Democrat primary for NJ state assembly. The only evidence that they had was that he was seen picking up a communist newspaper at a newstand and reading the headlines. They ruined his life, opened all his mail, talked to all his neighbors, visited his church and place of employment where he had held a top security clearance as the top tool and die maker for RCA. My grandmother said that they even attended his funeral in 1957, to make sure he was really in the coffin.
21 posted on 05/05/2003 10:33:17 AM PDT by Eva
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To: NormsRevenge
Still, Republicans succeeded in portraying Democrats as soft on communism, riding that message to political gains in 1952.
And they still are!!! Even though communism has been proven to be a flawed, failed system of government.
Jack

22 posted on 05/05/2003 10:39:37 AM PDT by btcusn
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To: NormsRevenge
Though never an open member of the Communist Party, she was a well-wisher to Socialist countries like the Soviet Union and China after its 1949 revolution.
23 posted on 05/05/2003 10:43:26 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: NormsRevenge
Eslanda Robeson


She was born into trouble, the illegitimate niece of Supreme Court Justice Benjamin Cardozo, the appointee of Herbert Hoover who shocked the nation by writing the majority opinions that upheld the Roosevelt New Deal's social legislation.

That family relationship meant Eslanda was half Jewish. She called herself, openly and defiantly, Eslanda Cardozo Goode. Defiantly, because her other half was black. Although you couldn't tell it. Eslanda -- Essie, as she preferred to be known -- could and did, when necessity demanded, pass for a white woman
24 posted on 05/05/2003 10:46:23 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: NormsRevenge
McCarthy was right. A great American, he knew the Entertainment Industry was ridden with Communists and leftists, he knew the Educational Institutions and government agencies were ridden with communists and socialists - and they still are.

Remember Alger Hiss??? Released records from the Soviet Intelligence indicated he WAS a spy for them.

McCarthy was a patriotic American who was the first in a long series of patriotic Americans, like Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan, Barry Goldwater, Bush I's Vice-President (the name escapes me), Newt Gingrich, and Bush II who have been slimed by the leftists who infect our television screens and movie theaters, dictate the propagandist ciricula in our universities and schoolrooms, manipulate public opinion in the mass news media, and infiltrate some government agencies like the State Department.
25 posted on 05/05/2003 10:54:50 AM PDT by ZULU
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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com
"..there are at least fifty admitted communists in the Congress today."

I wasn't aware of that - can you provide specifics. I've had my doubts about Sens. Allen and Warner for some time now.

26 posted on 05/05/2003 10:55:34 AM PDT by familyofman
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To: Triple
I know he tried to get William Bundy to testify. Bundy contributed to Hiss's defense. But DCIA Dulles made sure Bundy could get out of the contry. McCarthy even wrote an angry letter to Dulles...

How you like them apples...

27 posted on 05/05/2003 10:57:52 AM PDT by jd777
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To: TheCrusader
Joe McCarthy was right.

Substitute the word "Communism" for "Al Qaeda" and conduct the same hearings today and NOBODY would have a problem with it (except the accused of course).

28 posted on 05/05/2003 10:59:05 AM PDT by Aloysius
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To: 7beuties
"Was McCarthy good or bad for the cause of anti-communism?"

Neocoms have a way with turning anti-communism around to suit their purposes. Anti-communism becomes McCarthyism. McCarthyism becomes associated with any anti-liberal stance.

Neo-coms have perfected stigma, conservatives have abandoned it.

"Those who control language control minds." Look at the textbook situation and the state of education in the U.S.

yitbos

29 posted on 05/05/2003 10:59:31 AM PDT by bruinbirdman (Buy low, sell high)
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To: ZULU
Bush I's Vice-President (the name escapes me),

Dan Quayle

30 posted on 05/05/2003 11:03:37 AM PDT by Aloysius
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To: familyofman
I think he means "socialists".
31 posted on 05/05/2003 11:03:37 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: johnb838; Gurn; NormsRevenge
Great stuff! From NormsRevenge link (reply #5, Volume #5) THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 18, 1954

Mr. Cohn. Mr. Gragis, were you ever employed at the Federal Telecommunications Laboratory?
Mr. Gragis. Yes, sir.
Mr. Cohn. And did you work there from 1945 to 1950?
Mr. Gragis. Yes, roughly that.
Mr. Cohn. Did you work on any government work while you were there?
Mr. Gragis. Yes.
Mr. Cohn. Mr. Gragis, were you at that time a member of the Communist party?
Mr. Gragis. Not for the full length of that time, but for a good period of the time.
Mr. Cohn. You were a member of the Communist party?
Mr. Gragis. Yes.
Mr. Cohn. During what years were you a member of the Communist party?
Mr. Gragis. Say from about 1946 to very early in 1950.
Mr. Cohn. You were a member of the party from 1946----
Mr. Gragis. To rather early in 1950.
Mr. Cohn. I see. Were any of the other people working at the Federal Telecommunications Laboratory members of the Communist party?
Mr. Gragis. Some.
Mr. Cohn. Can you furnish us with their names?
Mr. Gragis. Yes, I can. Harry Hyman, Al Shadowitz, Ruth Levine, Jack Saunders.
The Chairman. I did not get the second name.
Mr. Gragis. Saunders.
The Chairman. The one after Harry Hyman.
Mr. Gragis. Shadowitz.
Mr. Cohn. Did you know Ernest Pataki?
Mr. Gragis. Yes.
Mr. Cohn. Was he a party member?
Mr. Gragis. Yes.
Mr. Cohn. How about Frank McGee?
Mr. Gragis. Yes.
Mr. Cohn. Leo Kantrowitz?
Mr. Gragis. Yes.
Mr. Cohn. Andy Castros?
Mr. Gragis. Yes.
Mr. Cohn. Did you ever attend any Communist meetings at Harry Hyman's home?
Mr. Gragis. Quite a number of times.
Mr. Cohn. At Hyman's home?
Mr. Gragis. Yes.
Mr. Cohn. How about at Pataki's home?
Mr. Gragis. Quite a few times.
Mr. Cohn. Did you ever have any at your own house?
Mr. Gragis. Yes. But that was not at 25 Collector Lane. That was when I lived in the city.
Mr. Cohn. And while attending these cell meetings with people from the Federal Telecommunications Laboratory, were there ever any discussions of revolution and specifically of ``State and Revolution'' by Lenin?
Mr. Gragis. Yes. Frank McGee was the leader of the educational discussion.
Mr. Cohn. He was the leader?
Mr. Gragis. Yes.
Mr. Cohn. And had he been employed at the Federal Telecommunications Laboratory?
Mr. Gragis. Yes.
Mr. Cohn. Mr. Chairman, this Mr. Gragis obviously is a most cooperative witness, and he is taking a very honorable approach to this. I was wondering, rather than asking him anything more, if Mr. Buckley could talk to him later in the afternoon or tomorrow, and then possibly we would have Mr. Gragis later. I think that is it. Mr. Buckley will work along with you, Mr. Gragis, and we will keep in touch with you that way. We certainly want to thank you for taking this attitude.
Mr. Gragis. If I might just say one word----
Mr. Cohn. Surely.
Mr. Gragis [continuing]. I wish to say this, that when I was separated from the company, FTL, I spent a good number of years thinking on just what I should do and before I read in the papers about Fort Monmouth or anything about FTL, I had come to the conclusion that I should voluntarily go to the FBI and I did. I gave them a complete history of myself for about twenty years back.
The Chairman. How long ago did you do that?
Mr. Gragis. That was around June of last year, I believe. Now, I might be wrong, but I think it is around then, June or maybe July.
The Chairman. I think the country owes a rather deep debt to people who have made a mistake and who are willing to rectify it as well as they can by going to the FBI or to the committee and give then that information. I know your job is an unpleasant one. It would be much easier for you to come in and refuse to testify and that sort of thing. I would like to thank you very, very much for the help not only that you have given to the committee but for the help that we understand you have also given to the FBI.
Mr. Gragis. May I say another thing?
The Chairman. Certainly.
Mr. Gragis. I have another fear now, too, and that is this: Although I went to the FBI, I knew that my appearance before them would be kept in the strictest confidence. Because I have appeared here now I have a fear that should I be publicized or anything, that some of these subversives might make my life miserable at home with my wife or daughter . . .

(same day testimony of Leo Kantrowitz)

Mr. Cohn. We just had a witness in here who said that while you were working at the Federal Telecommunications Laboratory, you were a member of the Communist party. Were you?
Mr. Kantrowitz. I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that under the Fifth Amendment a person may not be compelled to bear witness against himself.
Mr. Cohn. Are you a member of the party today?
Mr. Kantrowitz. I refuse to answer that question on the same ground.
Mr. Cohn. Were you a member of the party while working at Zenith on Monday?
Mr. Kantrowitz. I refuse to answer that question on the same grounds. . .

32 posted on 05/05/2003 11:11:08 AM PDT by DPB101
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To: familyofman
"I wasn't aware of that - can you provide specifics. "

Progressive (neocom) Caucus

yitbos

33 posted on 05/05/2003 11:12:29 AM PDT by bruinbirdman (Buy low, sell high)
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To: btcusn
Still, Republicans succeeded in portraying Democrats as soft on communism, riding that message to political gains in 1952. And they still are!!! Even though communism has been proven to be a flawed, failed system of government.

I heard the GOP wanted to make the jump from red baiting to race baiting, but the Democrats already had that racket sewed up.

34 posted on 05/05/2003 11:13:50 AM PDT by skeeter (Fac ut vivas)
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To: Eva
"My grandfather was investigated by this committee, but his accuser was a Democrat, not a Republican. He was his opponent for office in the Democrat primary for NJ state assembly. The only evidence that they had was that he was seen picking up a communist newspaper at a newstand and reading the headlines. They ruined his life..."

McCarthy was partly right, but some people apparently think the innocent lives destroyed by his crusade were necessary collateral damage. That's crap.

It might be stupid to be a communist or a socialist, but in the U.S. it's not illegal -- not unless you're selling or giving away secrets that damage our security.
35 posted on 05/05/2003 11:25:46 AM PDT by kegler4
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To: kegler4
In the case of my grandfather, the damage was intentional. Democrats followed the politics of personal destruction even then. His real crime was that he refused to vote the party line.
36 posted on 05/05/2003 11:30:37 AM PDT by Eva
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To: the_Watchman
I think they phrase it this way in order to make it sound like the Cold War was a figment of the imagination of those affiliated with McCarthy.

The woman who insists on calling herself Queen Latifah voiced this same belief (that the Cold War was a hoax) on the View and did not have it explained to her that the Soviets were infiltrating countries, killing their own citizens, and arming for war and dominance. They propelled us into the space age.

37 posted on 05/05/2003 11:33:31 AM PDT by weegee (NO BLOOD FOR RATINGS: CNN let human beings be tortured and killed to keep their Baghdad bureau open)
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To: johnb838
The commies were and are everywhere.

They certainly were all over this Florida presidential ballot:


38 posted on 05/05/2003 11:38:01 AM PDT by weegee (NO BLOOD FOR RATINGS: CNN let human beings be tortured and killed to keep their Baghdad bureau open)
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To: TheCrusader
}Joe McCarthy was right

Of course he was. But both CNN and Public Radio ran McCarthy reports this weekend which just happened to ignore this fact.

39 posted on 05/05/2003 11:38:47 AM PDT by DensaMensa (He who controls the definitions controls History. He who controls History controls the future.)
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To: *Communist Subversion
Linking...

Communist subversion list

40 posted on 05/05/2003 11:43:16 AM PDT by weegee (NO BLOOD FOR RATINGS: CNN let human beings be tortured and killed to keep their Baghdad bureau open)
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To: NormsRevenge
Should be interesting to cross reference this stuff with the Venona transcripts.
41 posted on 05/05/2003 11:49:07 AM PDT by ikka
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To: TheCrusader
After 50 years, Was McCarthy Right?
42 posted on 05/05/2003 11:49:33 AM PDT by weegee (NO BLOOD FOR RATINGS: CNN let human beings be tortured and killed to keep their Baghdad bureau open)
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To: TheCrusader
Yeah, but his tactics sucked.

If he'd questioned me like that I would have told him:
"Senator, it is not possible that I would have more contempt, than for person to abuse their position the way in which you are abusing yours."
43 posted on 05/05/2003 11:51:25 AM PDT by G Larry ($10K gifts to John Thune before he announces!)
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To: DPB101
I suspect that when this logo is unfurled:

...it really says this:


44 posted on 05/05/2003 11:52:11 AM PDT by weegee (NO BLOOD FOR RATINGS: CNN let human beings be tortured and killed to keep their Baghdad bureau open)
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To: NormsRevenge; ikka
Would be handy to have this in a searchable format to compare with other documents. Some incredible information in these transcripts (I'm on #5, it is the smallest file).

William Morgan MD testified that his boss at the CIA, Horace S. Craig, told him "conclusions had been drawn that Senator McCarthy's influence was the most important factor in negating the influence of U.S. activities abroad".

Senator Potter. I would like to go back to where this man Craig stated that he felt that Senator McCarthy should be liquidated. I'd like to place the date of this. When did it happen?
Dr. Morgan. It happened in September.
Senator Potter. September of what year?
Dr. Morgan. Last year, 1953.
Senator Potter. He stated in essence that this man should be liquidated, referring to Senator McCarthy?
Dr. Morgan. It may be necessary.
Senator Potter. And that there are madmen----
Dr. Morgan. For a price willing to do the thing.

45 posted on 05/05/2003 12:23:48 PM PDT by DPB101
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To: G Larry
"Yeah, but his tactics sucked. "

Stalin's tactics sucked.

yitbos

46 posted on 05/05/2003 12:24:17 PM PDT by bruinbirdman (Buy low, sell high)
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To: NormsRevenge
from the John Birch Society -- The Real McCarthy Record
47 posted on 05/05/2003 12:40:38 PM PDT by slowry
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To: TheCrusader
Joe McCarthy was right.

He may have been right in the abstract, but he went after popular figures and did so in a way that disgusted ordinary Americans. In so doing, he discredited honest conservatives, led to the election of Kennedy and Johnson, and probably Carter and Clinton.

The most underestimated American President of my lifetime was Eisenhower, who cooked this turkey in his own grease. Although I agree that communists had infiltrated the government, I cannot think of a single good thing that came out of the McCarthy hearings.

48 posted on 05/05/2003 12:56:19 PM PDT by js1138
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To: NormsRevenge
Apropos Robert Kennedy and Joe McCarthy: McCarthy was very popular in "flyover country" and Joe Kennedy took note of the fact, ingratiating himself and the family into Joe's inner circle. (E.g., KKT, the daughter of RFK who ran for governor of Maryland last year had McCarthy for her godfather!) Bobby got a job as Joe's co-counsel, working alongside Roy Cohn.

A rivalry soon simmered between those two and it got nasty. Joe fell for one of the Kennedy girls, I think the one that later married that twit-Brit actor. Joe McC. went to Joe K. and asked for her hand.

This created a huge dilemma for the scheming Kennedy: on the one hand, he'd have loved to have the intermarriage of the ambitious Kennedys with the wildly popular McCarthy; on the other, there was a religious problem: while both Joes were Catholic, McCarthy was divorced & remarried, a major no-no in those days that would have portended trouble among Catholics in the event of a run by a Kennedy nationwide.

In the end, Joe K. refused Joe McC. The latter didn't take it well, and eventually RFK was given the gate. Roy Cohn came smugly to the fore and the rest, as they say, is history. This is one of those facinating "what-if" situations.

P.S. -- to show you the incestuousness of Washington, know ye that Dick Morris is Roy Cohn's nephew!

49 posted on 05/05/2003 12:59:05 PM PDT by Snickersnee (Where are we going? And what's with this handbasket???)
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To: johnb838
It is time for McCarthy to be rehabilitated. Because he was right. The commies were and are everywhere. Especially in the State Department and Hollywood.

Read here an excerpt from "Reagan's War -- The epic story of his 40-year struggle and final triumph over Communism"

50 posted on 05/05/2003 1:08:40 PM PDT by slowry
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