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Should illegal aliens get driver's licenses?
Townhall.com ^ | May 13, 2003 | Phyllis Schafly

Posted on 05/13/2003 4:27:39 PM PDT by UnklGene

Should illegal aliens get driver's licenses? Phyllis Schlafly (archive)

May 13, 2003

The hottest controversy in state legislatures today regards allowing illegal aliens to obtain driver's licenses. Americans were shocked to discover that most of the 19 hijackers on 9/11 carried driver's licenses from Virginia, Florida or New Jersey.

A driver's license is the pass to board a plane, as well as the license to a drive car. It confers a sort of quasi-citizenship and, as described by one illegal alien in Texas, "The driver's license ends up becoming our pass to be in this country."

Since 9/11, 21 states have enacted new legislation to make it harder to get driver's licenses, and legislation has been introduced in another 22 states. Even in Idaho, State Sen. Cecil Ingram told a public hearing, "This has turned out to be a bigger problem than I thought."

The states embarrassed by the 9/11 hijackers have gotten the message. Virginia passed a bill to stop issuing driver's licenses to illegal aliens, and Florida and New Jersey passed legislation to coordinate driver's licenses with immigration visas.

New Jersey, where driver's licenses have been made of paper and do not require a photo, has long been the target of document fraud and counterfeiters. The state is now converting to state-of-the-art digitized driver's licenses with a dozen covert and overt security features, including a mandatory photo, bar code, hologram and digital signature.

Peter Gadiel, whose 23-year-old son James died in the World Trade Center attack, has traveled from Connecticut to Virginia, Maryland, North Carolina and Tennessee to support beefed-up identification laws. Twenty states do not require applicants to prove they are legally in the United States.

Tennessee, another state known to be casual about issuing driver's licenses to illegal aliens, is considering a measure that would require driver's license applicants to present a document showing they are legally in this country. A Tennessee legislative committee also heard testimony about the need to tighten driver's license rules from April Gallop, a survivor of the 9/11 attack on the Pentagon.

Minnesota is trying to address the controversy through rule-making by the Department of Public Safety. The proposed rule would require visitors to present documents to prove they are in the country legally, and the license would expire when their visas expire.

Georgia would seem an unlikely state for immigration controversies, but an estimated 435,000 Hispanics live in Georgia, a 300 percent increase over 1990, according to the U.S. Census. A lively, big group showed up at a hearing in Gainesville from the town of Hall, where at least 19 percent of the population is Hispanic and 85 percent of those are not citizens.

Georgia has been wrangling over a bill that would allow driver's licenses to be obtained by illegal aliens who come only from the "Free Trade Area of the Americas," i.e., from Canada, Latin America and some Caribbean islands.

Among those who spoke against the proposed legislation was retired Col. A.R. "Mac" MacCahan (whose Army unit lost 206 of 212 men fighting in the Korean War). He asked, "What part of illegal don't you understand?" Others ask, why reward people who have committed at least three felonies: illegal entry into the U.S., purchasing fraudulent documents to get a job and misrepresenting the legality of those documents at the workplace?

Kentucky was once one of the easiest states for illegal aliens to get a driver's license. That changed after a 1998 incident in which the Immigration and Naturalization Service arrested a vanload of illegals from Russia who had traveled from New York to Louisville to get driver's licenses.

After that, Kentucky reinstituted a policy of requiring that noncitizens applying for licenses take a written test. County Circuit Clerk Tony Miller said, "We try to be helpful. We offer that test in 21 languages," but Miller didn't explain how it promotes safety to license drivers who can't read the road signs.

Arizona and Mississippi have killed bills to make it easier for illegal aliens to get a driver's license. California Governor Gray Davis has twice vetoed a bill to allow illegal aliens to obtain driver's licenses, but the legislature is still debating this issue.

INS public affairs officer Garrison Courtney identified one of the biggest problems: "If they were illegal when they came here, it's very difficult to determine who they really are because they've created illegal IDs for themselves."

The Seattle Times reported that one U.S. Department of Justice raid discovered piles of cash totaling $95,262, plus $10,000 worth of computer equipment and specialty papers that had been used to print 800 fake driver's licenses, green cards, work permits, Mexican birth certificates and Social Security cards.

Many are concerned about the danger from issuing licenses to terrorists who might use trucks loaded with gasoline or other hazardous materials in the same way that hijackers used commercial airliners on 9/11.

The U.S. Transportation Department reported last year that we lack sufficient safeguards, particularly from the many states that do not require applicants to prove they are legally in the country.

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KEYWORDS: driverslicense; id; illegalimmigration; phyllisschafly
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To: madfly
No! No driver's license for illegals.
61 posted on 05/14/2003 3:58:54 PM PDT by SCalGal (Pinged 3 times)
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To: SCalGal
Sorry!

Gee, this thread is 24 hours old, and I didn't get pinged until post #49 :(

Thanks Joe!

62 posted on 05/14/2003 4:04:00 PM PDT by madfly (pingers need pings too :()
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To: tbpiper
Here in Florida, they don't need a license. They don't even need insurance, just a good pair of running shoes when they cause an accident. They don't need health insurance 'cause the overburdened hospitals have to treat them. They don't even need a green card.

You are describing California! They get everything free here, and they can buy any fraudulent license or birth certificate or insurance card they want, everything's for sale. We get to pay the bills.

63 posted on 05/14/2003 4:05:20 PM PDT by janetgreen
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To: madfly
LOL, we're slipping, to not have pinged you!
64 posted on 05/14/2003 4:10:18 PM PDT by SCalGal (Pinged 3 times)
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To: UnklGene
Make them get a driver's license to ensure they know the rules of the road and can prove insurance coverage. If they are citizens of the U.S., bring a passport or a notarized birth certificate...as U.S. citizens are required to do. If they are not citizens, issue a clearly different appearing license (red striped borders) so they can't use it to illegally apply for services.

I suggested the red striped borders as this is the marking for employee ID cards issued to foreign nationals at my place of employment.

The Motor Voter nonsense is completely unchecked at this time. Non-citizens can register and there is no check to prevent it.

65 posted on 05/14/2003 4:12:38 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: FITZ
giving them a state driver's license implies they're legal residents and they are not

Not really - I hold a valid Texas drivers license, legally, and I'm not even a U.S. resident.
66 posted on 05/14/2003 4:14:08 PM PDT by Dont Tread On Me Eh?
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To: UnklGene
Why not they vote the democratic ticket and we pay for their hospital bills...hell why not.. they don't have to fight for this country or pay for the free ride in any way give em all brand new cars and vacations too what the hell...
67 posted on 05/14/2003 4:32:25 PM PDT by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: UnklGene
CRIMINAL INVADERS should have no rights.
All money spent to catch and deport them
should be charged to their country.
68 posted on 05/14/2003 4:56:04 PM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (CCCP = clinton, chiraq, chretien, and putin = stalin wannabes (moore is goebbels))
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To: expatpat
My view is that we should set up a registered Guest Worker program to handle the need on both sides for Mexican workers in this country. They would not be illegal and should be able to get drivers licences. All others are illegals and should not have any rights associated with citizenship, including licenses and tuition breaks. >>>>

Yeah right, Let's fill the USA with mexican's *only* ???

You must be on "the fox's" payroll....
69 posted on 05/14/2003 5:02:52 PM PDT by txdoda ("Navy-brat")
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To: UnklGene
Certainly not.
70 posted on 05/14/2003 5:05:01 PM PDT by Commander8
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To: UnklGene
Not only is it insulting to the citizens who have to pay higher insurance rates and taxes to float the illegals, it's an outright slap in the face to legal immigrants who try extremely hard to play by the rules.
NOW I'm for a national ID system just to protect us from our elected representatives' insatiable lust for votes. Retina scan & thumbprint digitally embedded. Chip rendered unreadable if tampered with.
71 posted on 05/14/2003 6:00:44 PM PDT by NewRomeTacitus (New circle in Hell where lawyers & corrupt pols chase dollars and never catch them.)
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To: UnklGene
After that, Kentucky reinstituted a policy of requiring that noncitizens applying for licenses take a written test. County Circuit Clerk Tony Miller said, "We try to be helpful. We offer that test in 21 languages,"

Kentucky? LOL!

72 posted on 05/14/2003 6:02:32 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: UnklGene
NO

73 posted on 05/14/2003 6:06:01 PM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK (***You have the right to say what you want ! We have the right not to listen !***)
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To: UnklGene
Should illegal aliens get driver's licenses?

"Is this a trick question?"
That's one of a number of responses that a sane American would make.
74 posted on 05/14/2003 6:09:57 PM PDT by VOA
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To: tbpiper
Now that's not very considerate. Here in Florida, they don't need a license. They don't even need insurance, just a good pair of running shoes when they cause an accident. They don't need health insurance 'cause the overburdened hospitals have to treat them. They don't even need a green card.

From sea to shining sea....The government is allowing this epic invasion to continue, year after year, decade after decade......

While our so called leaders continue their endless little debate, about what to do!

This will eventually choke us off.....

75 posted on 05/14/2003 6:12:30 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: txdoda
Yeah right, Let's fill the USA with mexican's *only* ??? You must be on "the fox's" payroll....

You're pretty free with accusations. My post was designed to bring some order to the situation, some way to limit the immigration and control it. You think the present system is better?

76 posted on 05/14/2003 6:13:30 PM PDT by expatpat
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To: janetgreen
Yeah, the Mayonaise Festival is big here too. Why anyone would want to comemorate the sinking of a shipload of mayonaise is beyond me. Perhap my spanish is a bit rusty. It is Sinko de Mayo, isn't it?
77 posted on 05/14/2003 6:17:33 PM PDT by tbpiper
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To: madfly
Should illegal aliens get driver's licenses?

a word........NO!!! enough said.

78 posted on 05/14/2003 6:31:44 PM PDT by Madcelt
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To: madfly
Should illegal aliens get driver's licenses?

Simple answer, nope.

79 posted on 05/14/2003 6:44:28 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: UnklGene
why not? certainly we need the money.

if they're driving, they need to be registered and insured.

why sit around and wait for other countries' matriculation cards? isn't that a violation of our sovereignty?
80 posted on 05/14/2003 6:46:16 PM PDT by liberalnot (what democrats fear the most is democracy.)
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