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The Islamic Game plan

Posted on 05/18/2003 7:08:07 AM PDT by judicial meanz

I keep hearing that Islam is a religion of peace from elected officials and the big media, but I fail to see it. With the United States and Israel constantly under attack by Islamic radicals, that argument fails to hold water.

What puzzles me more is the lack of ability on the part of the State Department to draw a line between the terrorism that the United States experiences and the terrorism Israel experiences at the hand of Islamic terrorists, and realize it part and parcel of the same line of Islamic theology that has been announced for centuries.

What we fail to realize is the American and Israeli ends of this conflict are fully linked, and have been for decades, and even centuries. The Islamic attempts to conquer the world are not news that began in our lifetime.

When we examine the timeline of Islamic conquest, we can see that since its inception, Islam has been a religion of conquest, forced conversion, and death to the few who have stood against it.

This timeline illustrates this point:

632 AD- Islamic jihadists conquer Yemen 632AD- Invasion of Abyssynia ( Ethiopia) . Islamic jihadist forces repelled. 633 AD- repeated Islamic military campaigns subdue the desert tribes of Arabia(Saudi Arabia) 635 AD- Islamic armies attack and conquer Damascus(Syria) 637- Persians(Iranians)defeated at battle of Qadisiyya by Islamic forces 637 AD-fall of Iraq 638 AD- Jerusalem falls 639 AD- Syria falls to Islamic forces 640 AD- Egypt falls into ISlamic hands, Coptic Church destroyed 688 AD- Fall of Carthage, 688 AD Islamic followers build the Dome of the Rock on the former site of the Temple of Solomon, the holiest site in Judaism and Christianity. 702 AD- Berbers in Africa captured adn converted 705-708 AD- Occupation of North Africa 711-713 AD- Capture of Spain and Portugal by Arab expansionists 715-717 AD- Afghanistan,central Asia, and the northern limit of the Caspian Sea and much of Northern India captured by Arab forces. 718 AD- Islamic forces attack France 725 AD- Islamic armies institute a seige of Toulouse, raid Burgundy and Rhone. 732 AD- Bordeaux comes under seige, and Islamic armies advance to Poitiers, where they are soundly defeated by Charles Martel.

750 AD to circa 11th Century- Period of Islamic stagnation that ends with the crusades. The crusades once again provoke the Islamic forces to conquest.

11th Century AD- Islamic forces penetrate Africa south of the Sahara 12-14 AD- islamic occupation of northern India 14-16th Centuries AD- Islamic forces conquer Indonesia 15th Century AD- Constantinople falls. 1683 AD- Battle of Vienna, Austria. Deciusive loss for Islam 1804- Islamic Forces conquer Nigeria 20th Century- Britain conqers and partitions the majority of the Middle East in the wake of WWI. 1948- Islamic self rule is re-initiated in former British colonies, as well as the founding of the Nation of Israel 1979-Present- Modern Islamic revival, and the beginnings of the War on Terror. Soviet invasion of Afghanistan begins the Islamic Muhjadeen uprising. Ayatollah Khomeini overthrows the Shah of Iran, institutes Islamic law in Iran 1982-84 AD- Attacks on US forces In Beirut, Israeli Invasion of Lebanon to stop Islamic attacks 1980's- Hostage kidnappings in Lebanon 1990's - large scale terrorist attacks against American and Israeli targets by Islamic terrorists, Persian Gulf war 2000-USS Cole attacks 2001- World trade Center attacks 2001- Afghan War 2003- Iraqi War

The Modern Islamic Revival

When we Americans think of Ayatollah Khomeini, we often think of him as an old dead man falling out of a casket in Iran on an old television clip. We seldom realize he mapped the course of the current War on Terrorism as far back as the 1940's.

Outside of our caricature of him as a naive, overwrought, emotional fanatic with stone age ideas, we seldom realize he was one of the most astute Islamic scholars of his time, and possessed a razor sharp intellect. His teachings reflect the mentality of the modern Islamic revival.

This is a direct quote:

" In order to achieve the victory of Islam in the world, we need to provoke repeated crises, restored value to the idea of death and martyrdom.If Iran has to vanish, that is not important. The important thing is to engulf the world in crises. Those who are called to export the revolution will lose their unhealthy desire for comfort and will attain the maturity needed to fulfill their mission. The road to Jerusalem goes through Kerbala( in Iraq) "

Ayatollah Khomeini, 1984

Ayatollah Khomeini was going into Islamic schools, Universities, and theological seminaries teaching this point of view, as well as the five point agenda below, as far back as 1948:

Stage 1) Iran must become an Islamic Theocratic state Stage 2) Iraq must become an Islamic Theocratic state Stage 3) Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Syria, Egypt, have to become Islamic Theocratic states. Stage 4) Jerusalem must be re-taken and the Jewish people destroyed Stage 5) The other nations of the world must be conquered and subjected to Theocratic islamic rule.

If we look at the overview, the three goals of Islam are:

1) Annexation of Jerusalem, and destruction of the jewish people. 2) Destruction of Chrisianity and all other faiths 3) Conquest of all nations worldwide.

To most muslims, the failure to achieve these objectives means the failure of Islam, and conversely, the failure of Allah. This is an unimaginable blasphemy to them.

This article is based extensively on two books.

references:

"The False Prophet", Ellis Skolfield, Fish House Press, 2001 "Islam Reviewed, 2nd Edition", M. Ali, Fish House Publishing, 1999


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To: judicial meanz
Ok, I'll accept your thesis, I too think Islam is trying to conquer the world. What affect would taking out all their holy sites (with extreme prejudice) have on their world outlook?
22 posted on 05/18/2003 5:14:02 PM PDT by Former Proud Canadian
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To: cardinal4
I like President Bush, but

I take issue with issues and this was one of the first that I have a BIG problem with him on. CFR was another.
23 posted on 05/18/2003 5:18:14 PM PDT by TLBSHOW (the gift is to see the truth)
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To: umgud
"Not all Muslims actively persue such ideals"

Not all Americans join the service and go to war.

"The American Muslims and many around the world condemmed 9-11, but, but, but, but, but said we provoked or caused it and while they didn't agree with it, they could certainly understand why the perps did it."

The important thing is to engulf the world in crises.


"As Islam grows in America, so too will conflict."

When Islam is weak, it keeps a low profile.
When it gets strong, it attacks all non-muslims.


24 posted on 05/18/2003 5:29:11 PM PDT by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get)
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To: judicial meanz
I don't believe for a second that Islam is a religion of peace.

If a Islamic army started killing all the non-muslims in, let's say, New York, you can bet the "peaceful" muslims would join in.

If for nothing else, self preservation.
25 posted on 05/18/2003 5:33:11 PM PDT by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get)
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To: garden center and nursery
Your tagline's a 10x.

Uhhh? I'm not parsing this. HeLp?

-Jay

26 posted on 05/18/2003 6:07:04 PM PDT by Jay D. Dyson (When the smoke cleared, the terrorist was over there...and over there...and over there...)
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To: Former Proud Canadian
What affect would taking out all their holy sites (with extreme prejudice) have on their world outlook?

If past history is any guide, they went into a two hundred year collective depression after Charles Martel whipped them in France.
27 posted on 05/18/2003 7:50:30 PM PDT by judicial meanz (Audaces Fortuna Juvat)
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To: TLBSHOW
"So now the question remains....WHY?"


All I can do is speculate, but I believe it has a little to do with the Islamic States and oil embargos. Another feasible reaon is to prevent an outright regional war.

Its a politically pragamatic solution, a morally bankrupt policy, and it sure isnt even near the truth.

28 posted on 05/18/2003 7:55:57 PM PDT by judicial meanz (Audaces Fortuna Juvat)
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To: TLBSHOW
Well, I had a problem with CFR as well, but not this issue. The President cant talk bad about muslims publicly, although he might agree with us. The pres has to maintain some semblance of diplomacy...
29 posted on 05/18/2003 8:01:54 PM PDT by cardinal4 (The Senate Armed Services Comm; the Chinese pipeline into US secrets)
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To: judicial meanz
750 AD to circa 11th Century- Period of Islamic stagnation that ends with the crusades. The crusades once again provoke the Islamic forces to conquest.

Interesting telescoping of a fascinating period.
It leaves out a good amount of the colorful means Islam had of expanding.

And the impression that the crusades provoked an awakening of the brutal Muslim means of expansion is humorous.
The Crusades were a response to muslim brutalities: typically defenseless towns were razed, totally destroyed. Women and children taken for the slave markets, and men and other "useless" persons killed on the spot.

Grab any of the dozen books available to fill in these gaps.
Fascinating reading.

30 posted on 05/18/2003 8:42:05 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Californians are as dumm as a sack of rocks)
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To: judicial meanz
Islam is not a religion of peace. Bush is wrong on this one
31 posted on 05/18/2003 8:44:18 PM PDT by Michael2001
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To: McGavin999
Define Religion.
32 posted on 05/18/2003 8:46:21 PM PDT by Cool Guy (In God We Trust.)
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To: judicial meanz
When will Western leaders publicly discuss what they already know: That Islam is a phony religion, and ridicule the extremist homicide bombers notion of 72 virgins waiting for them in Paradise, as just one absurdity.

When will a credible journalist or politician ask someone from CAIR or other Islamic extremist group if they truly believe that Allah will provide 72 virgins to an individual who murders innocent people in cold blood?

And if that fundamental tenant of Islam is a hoax, then how can they believe anything about their religion?

33 posted on 05/18/2003 9:16:05 PM PDT by StopGlobalWhining (Vote Bush '04 - Extend "assault weapons" ban - Support Open Borders - S-517 US Kyoto)
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To: cardinal4
use your brain, that God gave you, to question things! I think it's plainly obvious even to a 5 year old that Islam is evil, pure evil.
34 posted on 05/18/2003 9:17:47 PM PDT by MatthewViti
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To: judicial meanz
I keep hearing that Islam is a religion of peace from elected officials and the big media, but I fail to see it. With the United States and Israel constantly under attack by Islamic radicals, that argument fails to hold water.

Allow me to explain...those terrorists are but a tiny handful of Muslims...the rest are totally peaceful and love America and all the Jews like brothers. Just a handful are not very nice. Like the 40,000 in Iraq who gathered to hear their Iman call for terror acts against America...like I said just a "handful".

Do you understand now? You must have missed Peter Jennings. Please watch regularly to learn the truth. Now, move along.

35 posted on 05/18/2003 9:34:38 PM PDT by montag813
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To: McGavin999
When Islam is practiced as a religion, it is protected by US law. However, when it wanders into the political, it is no longer protected.

Therein lies the conundrum; Islam can never be practiced as "just" a religion.

The religious and the military/political are homogenized into an unseperable poison mix.
There is no arabic word for "country". Only dar al harb, the to be conquered, dar al Islam, the world of Islam.

Something of Islam might evolve into a religion, but as it stands now, and as it has existed for 1400 years, a religion-only Islam is literally an impossibility.

36 posted on 05/18/2003 10:21:49 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Californians are as dumm as a sack of rocks)
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To: Publius6961
Your point is very well taken. I only did a general reading, and I will take your advice to heart.

I wasnt trying to say that the Crusades provoked the Islamic frenzy to resume expansion, but I can sure see how I wrote that to make it look like I did. That was simply an error.

The Pope actually called the Crusades to prevent further Islamic expanision.

Thanks for the correctons!
39 posted on 05/19/2003 5:01:23 AM PDT by judicial meanz (Audaces Fortuna Juvat)
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