Bad Jurors: 114 And Counting

the sierra times ^ | 4/24/03 | Carl F. Worden

[runningbear]

Bad Jurors: 114 And Counting

Bad Jurors: 114 And Counting

By Carl F. Worden

114 and counting: That's the number of men released from death rows in the United States in the past 12 years, after DNA forensic science proved they could not have committed the crimes the jurors said they did.

I've just been tallying up the responses to my article, "Laci Peterson's Murderer: A Look Back At The Zodiac", in which I presented facts that bring into question the seemingly "given" guilt of husband Scott Peterson.

Now, it isn't that I believe Scott Peterson is innocent or guilty. That is not the issue. The problem is that, based upon the facts known in the public realm today, there is no way I could send Scott Peterson to a lethally injected death, because as a responsible citizen and potential juror, I am required to assume innocence unless proven guilty to the extent that there is simply no question about it.

46% of the respondents to my article disagree with that "stupid" legal principle. (Several used the term, "stupid" to describe my article) Without actually coming out and writing it, they believe it better to let one innocent man hang, than for ten guilty to go free. According to them, the circumstantial evidence against Scott Peterson is so overwhelming that, if they had the opportunity, they would vote guilty and sentence him to death today, and based only on the existing evidence known to the general public.

That's the kind of citizens and jurors we've got to choose from nowadays: They are completely immoral, irrational, angry and vicious and just want to see someone most likely to have done it, killed. Scott Peterson's guilt doesn't need to be proved beyond a reasonable doubt; close is good enough, and the problem with that attitude is what constitutes real evidence of a person's guilt in their tiny little minds. That alone should scare the bejeebers out of 54% of you! You don't ever want to be in the same shoes as those 114 innocent men that these jurors flippantly condemned to death. These jurors are a people devoid of wisdom and of principle and they are extremely dangerous sitting in judgment of others to the extent of being criminally negligent.

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A bill about unborn children entangles Peterson murder case in thick of abortion debate

A bill about unborn children entangles Peterson murder case in thick of abortion debate

DAVID CRARY, AP National Writer Monday, May 19, 2003

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(05-19) 00:17 PDT (AP) --

Adding fuel to the already fierce debate over abortion, Republicans in Congress are evoking the Laci Peterson murder case as they try to enact the first federal law to endow a fetus with legal rights separate from the expectant mother.

Laws similar to the federal bill already are on the books in more than half the states, and with Republicans in control of both chambers of Congress, the federal measure has a good chance of passing.

President Bush has pledged to sign the act, which sponsors have renamed "Laci and Conner's Law" in honor of Laci Peterson and her unborn son. Laci's husband, Scott Peterson, has been charged with double murder by prosecutors in California, which has a fetal homicide law.

"In the Peterson case, I've heard no one go on radio or TV and say there shouldn't be an indictment for the death of that child," said Sen. Mike DeWine, R-Ohio, the act's chief Senate sponsor. "The fact is there are two victims -- it's a fiction to say there aren't."

Abortion-rights activists counter the gruesome murder case is being exploited callously as part of a broad strategy to undermine the Supreme Court's 1973 Roe v. Wade decision legalizing abortion.

Read literally, the pending Unborn Victims of Violence Act is not an anti-abortion measure. It explicitly exempts abortion while making murder or injury of an unborn child a separate offense during the commission of certain existing federal crimes.

Abortion-rights groups nonetheless are alarmed that Congress might, for the first time, recognize a fetus as a potential victim independent of the expectant mother.

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Coroner finishes examination of Laci Peterson's remains

Coroner finishes examination of Laci Peterson's remains

Chronicle Staff Report Friday, May 16, 2003

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Medical examiners have finished their examination of Laci Peterson's remains, as well as those of her unborn child, but are not releasing the details of the autopsies.

The results of their investigation will be turned over to prosecutors in the next few days, said Jimmy Lee, spokesman for the Contra Costa County coroner's office. Lee said the agency will adhere to a judge's order not to disclose its findings to anyone other than the Stanislaus County district attorney.

Peterson's body and that of her unborn son were discovered last month along the Richmond shoreline. Peterson, 27, was 7 1/2 months pregnant when she disappeared from Modesto just before Christmas. Her husband, Scott Peterson, 30, was arrested April 18 and charged with two counts of murder.

Police have not said what evidence they believe connects Scott Peterson to the slayings, nor have they disclosed how or where they think Laci Peterson died.

Scott Peterson has pleaded not guilty. He is being held at the Stanislaus County jail without bail.

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Divers searched San Francisco Bay Friday.

FBI Divers Part of Underwater Peterson Search

FBI Divers Part of Underwater Peterson Search

Divers searched San Francisco Bay Friday.

The PIXPage Staff

Specially-trained divers from New York joined Bay Area investigators Friday in another search for clues in the Laci Peterson case.

The team was working in the waters of the San Francisco Bay, just east of Angel Island and south of Brooks Island -- not far from where Peterson's body was found.

Investigators from Modesto, Marin, Contra Costa, and San Mateo joined the divers from New York City's FBI office, who are trained in underwater evidence recovery. Modesto police were heading up the search, but they would not comment Friday.

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Lofgren: GOP Using Peterson To Push 'Right Wing' Agenda

Lofgren: GOP Using Peterson To Push 'Right Wing' Agenda

POSTED: 11:49 a.m. PDT May 18, 2003 UPDATED: 11:57 a.m. PDT May 18, 2003

WASHINGTON -- Adding fuel to the already fierce debate over abortion, Republicans in Congress are invoking the Laci Peterson murder case as they try to enact the first federal law to endow a fetus with legal rights separate from the expectant mother.

Laws similar to the federal bill already are on the books in more than half the states, and with Republicans in control of both chambers of Congress, the federal measure has a good chance of passing.

President Bush has pledged to sign the act, which sponsors have renamed "Laci and Conner's Law" in honor of Laci Peterson and her unborn son. Laci's husband, Scott Peterson, has been charged with double murder by prosecutors in California, which has a fetal homicide law.

"In the Peterson case, I've heard no one go on radio or TV and say there shouldn't be an indictment for the death of that child," said Sen. Mike DeWine (news, bio, voting record), R-Ohio, the act's chief Senate sponsor. "The fact is there are two victims — it's a fiction to say there aren't."

Abortion-rights activists counter the gruesome murder case is being exploited callously as part of a broad strategy to undermine the Supreme Court's 1973 Roe v. Wade decision legalizing abortion.

Read literally, the pending Unborn Victims of Violence Act is not an anti-abortion measure. It explicitly exempts abortion while making murder or injury of an unborn child a separate offense during the commission of certain existing federal crimes.

Abortion-rights groups nonetheless are alarmed that Congress might, for the first time, recognize a fetus as a potential victim independent of the expectant mother.

"This is one of their strategies — to ascribe legal rights to the fetus separate from the woman," said Kate Michelman, president of NARAL Pro-Choice America. "Their intent is to do whatever they can to contribute to the ultimate goal of overturning Roe v. Wade and taking away a woman's right to control her reproductive life."

Twice since 1999, the Unborn Victims act......

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Investigators in Peterson Case Continue Search in San Francisco Bay

Investigators in Peterson Case Continue Search in San Francisco Bay

Law enforcement divers returned waters of San Franciso Bay on Saturday to search for more clues in the Laci Peterson murder case, however it is not clear what, if anything, they have found.

Police will not say specifically what they are looking for but did confirm it is related to the Laci Peterson murder investigation.

Published reports said that not all of Laci Peterson's remains were found, and that they may have been wrapped in plastic and held down by heavy material.

On Friday, divers from Contra Costa and Marin counties and an FBI dive team from Washington worked from five boats in the Bay. Search teams used side-scan sonar to search for evidence, then sent divers to investigate any items of interest

The search area was just south of the Richmond Marina and Point Isabella, where the bodies of Laci Peterson and her unborn son Connor were found in April.

Scott Peterson, 30, is facing two counts of murder in the deaths of his wife and unborn son. Laci Peterson was 27 years old and eight months pregnant when she disappeared on Christmas Eve.

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Scott Peterson's Jailhouse Letters

Scott Peterson's Jailhouse Letters

Fri May 16, 7:27 PM ET

The PIXPage Staff

Scott Peterson (news - web sites) is writing letters to Laci's family and friends.

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[runningbear]

a compilation of bits of news on the Laci Peterson Murder case. Monday is still a little slow of online news from Sunday's Bay search.

[Lazamataz]

114 and counting: That's the number of men released from death rows in the United States in the past 12 years, after DNA forensic science proved they could not have committed the crimes the jurors said they did.

I admit it.

I committed all those crimes.

[runningbear]

pinging on some of the events you might of missed over the weekend...;o)

[runningbear]

pinging on some of the events you might of missed over the weekend...;o)

[toothless]

OJ did a couple of them.

[runningbear]

pinging on some of the events you might of missed over the weekend...;o)

[Lazamataz]

OJ did a couple of them.

We were a team.

[runningbear]

RG:

Saki

SAKI

;o)

[Chad Fairbanks]

Hey, stop beings sucha glory hound - you know you had help... ;0)

[runningbear]

LOL.... gee, how many sparkies would that be?....;o)/humor continuing....

[3D-JOY]

Is it not more correct to report that the new evidence is in many cases NOT proof of guilt since it is often indefinite?

With this lack of proof, time passed, and death of witnesses, it is often not INNOCENSE PROVED...it is just not possible to go back and do it over again! They are then released!

I have a problem with the blanket statement that all were NOT GUILTY of the crimes.

[runningbear]

more on KPIX news

Bay Search Has 'Certain Objectives' in Peterson Case

Bay Search Has 'Certain Objectives' in Peterson Case

Divers searched San Francisco Bay Friday.

Tony Russomanno

As investigators wrapped up an underwater search Friday in the Laci Peterson case, Modesto police remained vague about the details.

Divers searched the area in the San Francisco Bay near where Peterson's body was found. But the only thing anyone directly connected with the search would say is that police have "certain objectives."

"The fact that they're suddenly re-dredging the bay again for the third time makes me wonder possibly do they have some information that there's something else there," said criminal defense attorney Maureen Baldwin.

There may be a weapon, or a weight used to hold down Laci Peterson's body.

"Part of the reason for putting a body in the bay is to obscure the cause of death," said San Francisco coroner Boyd Stephens. "So the way to resolve that is to spend the time and effort and pick up any trace evidence that's present."

But it's not like finding and picking up evidence on land. The divers are working in zero visibility. A technique commonly used was seen last year in a search for evidence in a creek by the Santa Clara County Sheriff's Department dive team.

"We use a tether line and we have up to four divers," said Lt. Dale Unger, dive team commander. "We're basically feeling hand to hand, crawling on the ground hand to hand, and if it's a body they were trying to find that by bumping into him."

Human remains found in the water could help determine the time of death. San Francisco coroner Boyd Stephens placed donated cadavers in different parts of the Bay in the 1970s to see how changes in tides and water temperature affected decomposition and how long it took the bay's small marine life to attach itself to bones.

"Those can be pretty good markers," Stephens said.

But the search's "certain objectives" mentioned by police may not be an object at all. It may be an attempt to block a charge of police bias against Scott Peterson. Baldwin says Peterson's attorney may be attempting to show that police did not look for evidence that could clear Peterson.

"Sometimes an attorney may play a card, may make a suggestion and see whether or not the police follow up on it," she said.

EXCERPTED........

[Lazamataz]

LOL.... gee, how many sparkies would that be?....

I wonder if that is a new rating system: "He rated 4 sparkies and a lethal injection!"

[Lazamataz]

I disagree. If there is DNA collected that shows that someone ELSE committed the crime in question, then that is definitive proof that the suspect did not commit the crime.

In fact, *I* committed the crime we are talking about -- whichever one that is.

I done 'em all.

[Lazamataz]

Hey, stop beings sucha glory hound - you know you had help... ;0)

I promise never to turn "states evidence" on you.

[7thson]

That is good. 114. Out of how many. How many people did DNA find did do the crime? What is the percentage. If it was 114 out of 120, I would say we have a big problem. If it is 114 out of 100,000, then I say that while there may be a problem, it is not a big problem.

[runningbear]

New search in Laci Peterson case

the defense team w/client

RICHMOND, Calif., May 16 — Police divers were back in the waters of San Francisco Bay Friday, looking for more evidence in the Laci Peterson murder case. The search followed a judge’s decision to seal the autopsy reports pending a May 27 hearing.

Snip it

[3D-JOY]

I thought the DNA question was only that it did not prove the "STATES" case.

In most cases it did not show another person was guilty.(?)

One piece of evidence "out of place" after all this time and "reasonable doubt" arrises and re-trying the case is not possible.

Maybe I did it! Not you. Were we together? LOL

[FreePaul]

I doubt that the 114 number counts any of the Houston crime lab cases that were the results of both sloppy testing and downright lying at trials. Number will probably be in the hundreds since it has been going on for years.

[oceanperch]

Here is an old story back in the news.


Diane Downs case changed lives of many in Oregon
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PORTLAND - Twenty years ago Monday,

Elizabeth Diane Downs drove up to a

hospital in Springfield with her three
dying children in her car, the start

of a case that riveted Oregonians and

changed the lives of a doctor, a

detective, a judge, a writer, a lawyer
and Downs herself.

Emergency room Dr. John Mackey

remembers the horn blaring outside the
ER door of McKenzie-Willamette

Hospital in Springfield and the woman

with a bullet wound in her left

forearm exclaiming, "Somebody just

shot my kids."

The woman was Downs, a 27-year-old

Postal Service worker and divorcee who
had moved to Oregon from Arizona only

a couple of months before. In the car

were her 7-year-old daughter, Cheryl;

her 8-year-old daughter, Christie; and
her 3-year-old son, Danny.

"To see these three kids moribund in a
car that pulls up outside your door .

. . ," Mackey begins. "Initially we

didn't know how many there were. I was
just horrified - there's another one -

it was just too horrifying."

Nothing could be done for Cheryl, shot
twice in the back. Surgeon Steven

Wilhite stopped the internal bleeding


and miraculously saved Christie, shot

twice in the left chest. Danny, shot

near the spinal cord survived, but is

paralyzed from mid-chest down.

It was the first homicide case Lane

County detective Doug Welch had ever

faced. His task that night was to

interview Downs, who told her story in
clipped fashion.

She and the children had visited a

friend in the Marcola area, northeast

of Springfield. On the way back, she

said, a shaggy-haired man appeared out
of the darkness. She stopped and got

out of her car, keys in hand, to see

if he needed help. He demanded her car
and opened fire on her children, then

on her, when she refused.

The detectives pressed for

information; if a desperate killer was
on the loose in the rural countryside,
they needed all the details they could
get.

"It was probably an hour, maybe a

little more, into the interview . . .

when I began to have some serious

doubts about her story," Welch said.

"Her demeanor was really odd. She was

not nearly as interested in talking

about the suspect, than in talking

about her boyfriend in Arizona and

what a great lover he was, and how she
missed him."

Welch and detectives Kurt Wuest and

Richard Tracy took on the

investigation. They established a

motive: Downs wanted her children out

of the way to reunite with the Arizona
boyfriend, who didn't want kids.

At first they had only their

suspicions. They had no murder weapon,
and the only known witnesses were

badly injured children.

Two months after the shootings, Welch

and Wuest met with Downs for what came
to be known as the "hardball

interview," when Downs' story changed.
Now she claimed that the shaggy-haired
man knew her, called her by name.

Downs became increasingly hostile as

the detectives challenged the

inconsistencies.

When the case finally came to trial,

in front of Judge Gregory Foote and

using then-revolutionary forensic

evidence, emotions were high.

Downs faced a count of murder, two

counts of attempted murder and two

counts of first-degree assault.

The case began in May 1984 and lasted

six weeks, with 500 pieces of

evidence.

Christie Downs, by then 9, was the

state's key witness. She had spent

much of the past year meeting with a

psychologist, Carl Peterson. At his

suggestion, she wrote the name of the

person who shot her and Cheryl and

sealed them in envelopes.

On the witness stand, Peterson opened

the envelopes. "My mom," the notes

inside said.

Finally, a jury convicted Downs of all
charges. She was sentenced to life in

prison plus 50 years.

Author Ann Rule attended much of the

trial, then wrote a book about the

Downs case called "Small Sacrifices."

Rule, who lives in Seattle, is now a

true-crime institution with 20 books

to her name and three in the works.


"That book sold enough so that since

then I've never had to really worry

about bills," Rule says. "It was my

crossover book from hanging on by my

fingernails."


Downs also kept herself in the news.

In 1987, Downs scaled the razor-wire

fence at the Oregon Women's

Correctional Center in Salem and

escaped. She was caught 10 days later;
she'd been in a house a half mile from
the prison, sleeping with one of the


men who lived there.

She is now at the Valley State Prison

for Women in Chowchilla, Calif. It's a
maximum-security prison, with an

electric fence around the perimeter.

California law prohibits the release

of much information, such as her work

assignments, behavior or visitors.

Her two children were adopted by

Joanne and Fred Hugi, the prosecutor

who put their mother away.

Christie and Danny, who now goes by

Dan, are 28 and 23, respectively. Both
graduated from college and are

employed. Last year, Christie married

the son of a former police officer.

Rule says the Hugis adopted Christie

and Dan for the most basic reason:

They loved them.

"I think they bonded with those kids

from the first night," she says. "They
never particularly planned to have

children. They saw those kids, and

that was it."

[Lazamataz]

I think the biggest crime in humanity's existence -- the one that most deserves the death penalty -- is the formatting of the article you posted.

[MaggieMay]

Good Morning to you both. In that picture you posted runningbear, Scott must have fired off a big stinker, everyone but Scott looks like their about ready to pass out from the smell.

[RGSpincich]

Perfect! LOL!

Notice the likeness?

This thread is going to the dogs

[runningbear]

Hey, what was that Trade Corp address I gave ya? Check this story out, is that the addy?

I'm at work so I don't have that info...;o(

Fire engulfs downtown offices

[runningbear]

LOL....

[runningbear]

heehee....;o)

[Howlin]

The boats are out bright and early today.

[Publius6961]

Bad Jurors?

What kind of moron would blame the jurors?
OK maybe some juries... but all of them?

I would be curious of one other itty bitty omitted fact:
How many of the 114 were previously accused of murder?

[paulklenk]

MORE LACI PLEASE! I JUST CAN'T GET ENOUGH NEWS ON LACI!

WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR?! MORE LACI PLEASE!

[oceanperch]

It was the magic not me.

[jae471]

Food for thought:

In cases where the evidence is the strongest, a death penalty is less likely to be handed down.

First of all, good evidence will lead down the plea-bargin route, where the (guilty) defendant is likely to confess in exchange for life in prison.

Secondly, securing a jury conviction against an innocent person is more likely to lead to a death penalty because the defendant is "unrepentant" in the minds of the jury.

[Beck_isright]

"OJ did a couple of them.

We were a team."

So the glove was yours....hmmmm

[oceanperch]

I never relized how many State prisons you guy have.

Avenal State Prison (4)
Level 2
PO Box 39, Avenal, CA 93204
(559) 386-0587 Personnel x5082

California Correctional Center (2)
Levels 1, 2, 3
PO Box 790, Susanville, CA 96130
(530) 257-2181 Personnel x1154

California Correctional Institution (5)
Levels 1, 2, 4
PO Box 1031, Tehachapi, CA 95831
(661) 822-4402

California Institution for Men (3)
Level 1
PO Box 128, Chino, CA 91710
(909) 597-1821 Personnel x2264

California Institution for Women (2)
Levels 1, 2, 3, 4
PO Box 6000, Corona, CA 91718
(909) 597-1771 Personnel x5254

California Medical Facility (17)
Levels 1, 2, 3
PO Box 2000, Vacaville, CA 95696-2000
(707) 448-6841 Personnel x3154

California Men's Colony (8)
Levels 1, 2, 3
PO Box 8101, San Luis Obispo, CA 93409-8101
(805) 547-7900 Personnel x7946

California Rehabilitation Center (1)
Level 2
PO Box 1841, Norco, CA 91760
(909) 737-2683 Personnel x2145

California Substance Abuse Treatment Facility & State Prison (7)
Levels 2, 3, 4
PO Box 7100, Corcoran, CA 93212
(559) 992-7100

California State Prison, Corcoran (18)
Levels 1, 2, 4, SHU
PO Box 8800, Corcoran, CA 93212-8309
(559) 992-8800 Personnel x5098

California State Prison, Los Angeles County (9)
Levels 1, 2, 4
44750 - 60th St West, Lancaster, CA 93536-7620
(661) 729-2000

California State Prison, Sacramento (21)
Levels 1, 4
PO Box 29, Represa, CA 95671
(916) 985-8610 Personnel x5333

California State Prison, Solano (3)
Levels 2, 3
PO Box 4000, Vacaville, CA 95696-4000
(707) 454-3249 Personnel x5552

California State Prison, Wasco (3)
Levels 1, 3
PO Box 8800, Wasco, CA 93280-8800
(661) 758-8400

Calipatria State Prison (2)
Levels 1, 4
PO Box 5001, Calipatria, CA 92233-5001
(760) 348-7000 Personnel x5200

Centinela State Prison (2)
Levels 1, 3, 4
PO Box 731, Imperial, CA 92251
(760) 337-7900 Personnel x5224

Central California Women's Facility (3)
Levels 1, 2, 3, 4, COND
PO Box 1501, Chowchilla, CA 93610-1501
(559) 665-5531 Personnel x5040

Chuckawalla Valley State Prison (2)
Level 2
PO Box 2289, Blythe, CA 92226
(760) 922-5300 x5210

Correctional Training Facility (4)
Levels 1, 2
PO Box 686, Soledad, CA 93960-0686
(831) 675-2411 Personnel x2247
Deuel Vocational Institution (3)
Levels 1, 3
PO Box 400, Tracy, CA 95378-0400
(209) 835-4141 x4564

Folsom State Prison (2)
Levels 1, 2
PO Box 71, Represa, CA 95671
(916) 985-2561 Personnel x4533

High Desert State Prison (2)
Levels 1, 3, 4
PO Box 400, Standish, CA 96128
(530) 251-5100 Personnel x5631

Ironwood State Prison (3)
Levels 1, 3
PO Box 2229, Blythe, CA 92226
(760) 921-3000 Personnel x5403

Mule Creek State Prison (7)
Levels 1, 3, 4
PO Box 409099, Ione, CA 95640
(209) 274-4911 Personnel x5814

North Kern State Prison (4)
Levels 1, 3
PO Box 567, Delano, CA 93216-0567
(661) 721-2345 Personnel x5325

Northern California Women's Facility (3)
Levels 2, 3
PO Box 213006, Stockton, CA 95213-9006
(209) 943-1600

Pelican Bay State Prison (21)
Levels 1, 4, SHU
PO Box 7200, Crescent City, CA 95532-7200
(707) 465-1000 Delegated Testing Office x5535

Pleasant Valley State Prison (2)
Levels 1, 3
PO Box 8500, Coalinga, CA 93210
(559) 935-4900
R. J. Donovan Correctional Facility (5)
Levels 1, 3
480 Alta Road, San Diego, CA 92179
(619) 661-6500

Salinas Valley State Prison (7)
Levels 1, 4
PO Box 1020, Soledad, CA 93960-1020
(831) 678-5500 Personnel x5584

San Quentin State Prison (6)
Levels 1, 2, COND
San Quentin CA 94964-1086
(415) 454-1460


Sierra Conservation Center (2)
Levels 1, 2, 3
PO Box 497, Jamestown, CA 95370
(209) 984-5291 x5356


Valley State Prison for Women (3)
Levels 1, 2, 3, 4
PO Box 99, Chowchilla, CA 93610-0099
(559) 665-6100 Personnel x5536

[RGSpincich]

Without actually coming out and writing it, they believe it better to let one innocent man hang, than for ten guilty to go free.

Another pyschic writer. To make his point he creates a pretend bunch of people that he can villify. Sorry Charlie, most everyone has said they need to see more evidence before starting the fatal drip. Typical Sierra Times article.

He goes on to accuse jurors in the cases he cites as being immoral and "flippantly" renedering death sentences. I'd say he's the one with the disregard for the truth. Wonder how many of those jurors he actually talked to before he sentenced them?

[kegler4]

Not a big problem? In the most recent Virginia case DNA proved beyond a doubt that a man who had been on death row for years and had come within hours of execution was not guilty. Innocent. And if I remember correctly it was one of those pesky procedural delays that actually kept him from being put to death. My guess is that he thought that was a VERY, VERY big problem.

[kegler4]

OK, so maybe in some cases it just showed that the evidence that convicted them was false, not that they were necessarily innocent. So what? I thought that in our system you were supposed to be convicted on the evidence, not just on "Oh, he seems like a bad guy or he's committed crimes in the past."

[Devil_Anse]

Think of all the electricity that's been saved!

[Devil_Anse]

YOU make a very, very, very excellent point!!!

[RGSpincich]

Different address. BUT now that you mention it, that downtown address did originally come from the Sec of State website. That website now shows the invalid warehouse address. At some point during all of this he took the time to update the address to a more recently vacated location.

[3D-JOY]

I am not complaining about the release!

I would like a better "statement of reason" for the release than a TOTAL innocense of ALL the persons released.

The reasons for failure to try the case again, with the new evidence as part of the defense, would serve the public better in most cases.

I bet it would be interesting to talk to the Police Officers in each case.

[Devil_Anse]

Hmmm. Did the person who phoned in the tip sound kind of short of breath?

[3D-JOY]

Thanks for showing understanding of my point!

It is not an easy concept to put forth and still be careful of the right of the accused to a fair trial and the public to a right of protection from the guilty.

It will be interesting to see if the pattern of recidivism of these folks is ever published.

[7thson]

Again, 114 out of how many? What is the percentage. You can say that 114 children died from swallowing a part from a toy. But again, 114 out of how many?

[Lazamataz]

Think of all the electricity that's been saved!

I prefer to kill death-penalty sentencees by the use of static electricity.

(scuffing rubber-soled shoes on a polyester carpet furiously)

[Lazamataz]

You can say that 114 children died from swallowing a part from a toy. But again, 114 out of how many?

All 114?

[Lazamataz]

This thread is going to the dogs

And curiously, I am here.

Funny how those two events seem to coincide.