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The Absurdity of 'Thinking in Language'
the author's site ^ | 1972 | Dallas Willard

Posted on 05/23/2003 3:59:51 PM PDT by unspun

The Absurdity of 'Thinking in Language'
This paper has been read to the University of Southern California philosophy group and the Boston 1972 meeting of the American Philosophical Association, as well as to the Houston meeting of the Southwestern Philosophical Society. Appeared in The Southwestern Journal of Philosophy, IV(1973), pp. 125-132. Numbers in "<>" refer to this journal.

Among the principal assumptions of major portions of philosophy in recent decades have been: (1) That philosophy somehow consists of (some sort of) logic, and (2) that logic is a study of and theory about (some sort of) language. There, of course, follows from these a third assumption: (3) That philosophy is a study of and theory about (some sort of) language--though this implication should not be taken as representing any phase of the historical development of recent philosophizing. Instead of listing these three points as assumptions, it would probably be more correct to regard them as categories or complexes of assumptions; or perhaps, more vaguely still, as 'tendencies' or proclivities of recent philosophical thinking. But precision of these points need not be put in issue here, as this paper does not seek any large-scale resolution of the problem area in question.

The aim here is to examine only one proposition which plays a role in the clearly existent tendencies referred to: Namely, the proposition that we think in or with language. I hope to show, first, that we do not always think in or with language; and then, second, that the very conception of thinking in or with language involves an absurdity. What implications this has for broader philosophical assumptions or tendencies will not be dealt with here, though the implications in question seem to me to be extremely important ones.

That human beings think in language is explicitly stated in such diverse places as ordinary newspapers, the more sophisticated popular magazines and journals, and serious discourse in the humanities and the social sciences, as well as in the technical writings of philosophers. To prove this broad range of consensus would be idle; but, in order to have the philosophical context clearly before us, we may give a few brief quotations. <126> 

     (1) Man, like every living creature, thinks unceasingly, but does not know it: the thinking which becomes conscious of itself is only the smallest part thereof. And, we may say, the worst part:--for this conscious thinking alone is done in words, that is to say, in the symbols for communication, by means of which the origin of consciousness is revealed. (Nietzsche, Joyful Wisdom, sub-sec. # 354)

     (2) Let no one be contemptuous of symbols! A good deal depends upon a practical selection of them. Furthermore, their value is not diminished by the fact that after much practice, we no longer really need to call forth a symbol, we do not need to speak out loud in order to think. The fact remains that we think in words or, when not in words, then in mathematical or other symbols. (Frege, Mind, Vol. 73, p. 156)

     (3) It is misleading then to talk of thinking as of a 'mental activity'. We may say that thinking is essentially the activity of operating with signs. This activity is performed by the hand, when we think by writing; by the mouth and larynx, when we think by speaking; and if we think by imagining signs or pictures, I can give you no agent that thinks. If then you say that in such cases the mind thinks, I would only draw your attention to the fact that you are using a metaphor, that here the mind is an agent in a different sense from that in which the hand can be said to be an agent in writing. (Wittgenstein, Blue Book, pp. 6-7)

     (4) ... The woof and warp of all thought and all research is symbols, and the life of thought and science is the life inherent in symbols; so that it is wrong to say that a good language is important to good thought, merely; for it is of the essence of it. (C. S. Peirce, Collected Papers, II, p. 129)

     (5) Words only matter because words are what we think with. (H. H. Price, Aristotelian Society, Suppl. Vol. XIX, p. 7)

     (6) Theorizing is an activity which most people can and normally do conduct in silence. They articulate in sentences the theories that they construct, but they do not most of the time speak these sentences out loud. They say them to themselves.... Much of our ordinary thinking is conducted in internal monologue or silent soliloquy, usually accompanied by an internal cinematograph-show of visual imagery.... This trick of talking to oneself in silence is acquired neither quickly nor without effort.... (Ryle, Concept of Mind, p. 27. See also pp. 282-83 and 296-97) <127>

     (7)This helps to elucidate the well-known difficulty of thinking without words. Certain kinds of thinking are pieces of intelligent talking to oneself. Consider the way in which I 'thinkingly' wrote the last sentence. I can no more do the 'thinking' part without the talking (or writing) part than a man can do the being graceful part of walking apart from the walking (or some equivalent activity). (J.J.C. Smart, Philosophy and Scientific Realism, p. 89)

These quotations will suffice to establish the context within which philosophers speak of thinking in language (or with language). Many other quotations could be added from the literature.1 It is not assumed here that the persons quoted all occupy the same position with reference to the relationship between thought and language. Yet it would be interesting to see what any of these thinkers, or others who suppose that human beings think in language, could save of their position from the critique which follows.

Uneasiness about the conception of thinking in or with language has been expressed by a number of writers, but only over limited aspects of it.2 Here we shall consider arguments which purport to call the conception into question entirely and in principle. First, consider a reason for rejecting the view that we always think in language. It consists in the fact that thinking often occurs without the production, manipulation, or perception of sense-perceptible signs, without which there is no use of language. Such occurrences often provoke offers of 'A penny for your thoughts.'

Thinking: Whatever we may decide to call them, and however it is that we are conscious of them, there are intentional states of persons, more or less fixed or fleeting, which do not require for their obtaining that what they are about or of be perceived by, or be impinging causally upon, the person involved. In order to think of3 Henry the Eighth, <128> of the first auto one owned, of the Pythagorean theorem, or of the Mississippi River, it is not required that they should disturb my nervous system. Such states (t-states) of persons are often called 'thoughts', especially in contrast with 'perceptions', and being in such a state is one of the things more commonly called 'thinking'. One no more needs to be going through a change of such states in order to be thinking, than he needs to be changing his bodily position in order to be sitting or lying or sleeping. Rarely if ever--as is alleged in the case of mystic contemplation--are these t-states unchanging. Usually they flow, at varying rates, intermingled with person states of many sorts, governed by such transitional structures as inference, goal orientation, objective structures given in perception or in other ways, and elemental association of 'ideas', among others. In what follows, we shall use 'thinking' to cover both the single t-state and the flow of such states, without regard to how intermingled with other person states.

Language: Sense perceptible signs or symbols are an essential constituent of language. It is always false to say that language is present or in use where no signs are present or in use. And, whatever else a sign may be, it is something which is apprehendable via its sensible qualities. That is, it is something which can be either seen, heard, felt, tasted or smelled. Moreover, the use of language requires some level of actual sensuous apprehension of the signs which are in use on the occasion. (Confusion or distortion of this sensuous feedback can render a subject incapable of writing or speaking; and, of course, without perception of the sign-sequences emitted, one cannot understand the person emitting language.)

Now cases can be produced almost at will where thinking occurs without language being present or in use. This, of course, is something which everyone--including the proponent of thinking-in-language--very well knows. It is these cases which, together with the assumption that we always think in language, create what in (7) was called "the well-known difficulty of thinking without words." If, as in (3), "thinking is essentially the activity of operating with signs," then when there are no signs--and when, consequently, the means by which we produce, manipulate, or perceive signs are not functioning--we do have a difficulty. In fact, a difficulty so severe that it amounts to a proof that thinking is not essentially the activity of operating with signs, and that often we think entirely without language. One cannot operate with signs where there are no signs. <129> 

As the above quotations indicate, the most common move made to save 'thinking in language' at this point is the shift to 'silent soliloquy,' as in (6), or to 'pieces of intelligent talking to oneself,' as in (7). These are latter-day shades of John Watson's 'sub-vocal language.' Of course one can talk to oneself or write to onself. But talking and writing to oneself require the production and perception of sensuous signs just as much as talking and writing to another. The realization of this is what drives the thinking-in-language advocate to silent soliloquy or to nonvocal speaking--the written counterpart of which would be invisible writing. That is, they are driven to flat absurdities. A silent soliloquy--that is, silent speaking--is precisely on a par with a silent trumpet solo, for example, or silent thunder. A poet may say:

       Heard melodies are sweet, but those unheard

            Are sweeter; therefore, ye soft pipes, play on;

       Not to the sensual ear, but, more endeared,

            Pipe to the spirit ditties of no tone;...

               (Keats, Ode to a Grecian Urn)

But there are in fact no unhearable melodies, no ears other than the "sensual," no ditties of no tone.

What those who speak of silent discourse have in mind is, no doubt, the fact that interlaced with our thinking of or about things is a great deal of imaging of linguistic entities. (This is especially true of academics or intellectuals in general, because of their great concern with expression of thought. Probably an adequate phenomenology of thinking would exhibit great contrast between them and other classes of persons precisely at the relation between thinking and degree of activity in imaging linguistic entities and events.) But imaging a word is not using a word, any more than imaging a horse is using a horse. Moreover, imaging a word, phrase, or sentence is not producing or perceiving a word, phrase, or sentence any more than imaging a horse is producing or perceiving--or otherwise 'having'--a horse. To image a linguistic sequence is not to have it in a special sort of place--the mind--nor is it to have a special sort of linguistic sequence. To image is to exemplify a certain sort of thinking or intentional state, and a sort which does have interesting relationships with other kinds of thinking. But there is no reason at all to suppose that all kinds of thinking necessarily involve or are accompanied by this kind of thinking (imaging) directed upon language segments. And if there were, it still would not follow that all thinking requires language, since this kind of thinking about language segments is not itself language at all. Nor does it require any <130> language present in order for it to come to pass, since intentional inexistence applies to mental events when language segments are the objects, as well as when sticks and stones and animals are.

Having considered a reason for rejecting the proposition that human beings always think in language, let us now consider whether they ever do. In fact, the difficulty is not, as Smart (above) and others have thought, in seeing how one can think without language, but in seeing how one would think with it. Thinking with or in language must consist in doing something with symbols, and so necessarily involves doing something to them--e.g., producing, altering, or perceiving them. If we would do something with the knife (e.g., cut the bread), we must do something to the knife, (e.g., clasp it in our hands). But, as we have seen, thinking occurs where nothing at all is being done to or with signs, there not being any signs in these cases. The power or act of having or changing t-states--that is, the power or act of thinking--is, then, not a power or act of having or altering linguistic symbols. (It is not, in fact, a power of doing anything with or in anything at all. The profound difference in kinds of powers and acts involved here is what Wittgenstein calls attention to in the last sentence of (3) above.) Thought is, of course, practical, in that it exercises an influence upon, or makes some difference in, the world of sense particulars. But it alone is not capable of acting with the sorts of particulars used in linguistic behavior as its immediate instruments. It is just this incapacity which makes it impossible for the advocates of thinking-in-language to give any account of the mechanisms or the 'how' by which the words in which we, allegedly, think are produced, manipulated, and gotten rid of--though they must be produced (or stored and hauled out), manipulated, and, in some sense, gotten rid of, if we are to think with and in them as our tools or instruments.

Merely to ask the question of how, in detail, this is done in the course of thinking reveals, I believe, the absurdity of 'thinking in language'. Mere thinking can do nothing to signs which might be used in a language, and hence it can do nothing with such signs, or in the act of modifying the conditions of such signs. It is absurd to suppose that one can do x with y without in some way bringing about a change in the condition, state, relations, or properties of y. It is this and only this that I put by saying that it is absurd to suppose that one can do something with y while doing nothing to y.

If it is replied that, of course, the mind or thought does not do these things, but that when we write, speak, hear, see, and otherwise relate to actual words in the actual employment of language, we then are thinking, with bodily parts managing the symbols involved, then it <131> must be pointed out that, while we may indeed also be thinking in such cases, we are not simply thinking. The total event here, to which language certainly is essential, is not thinking. Correct use of language can even occur, as has been pointed out by Wittgenstein, without the occurrence of any peculiarly relevant t-states. On the other hand, thinking does occur without the use of hands, mouth, ears, eyes, fingers in any appropriately relevant manner. Hence, what can only occur by the use of these is not the same as thinking, though it may somehow involve or influence thinking.

Smart remarks in (7) that, when he thinkingly wrote the sentence, "Certain kinds of thinking are pieces of intelligent talking to oneself," he could "no more do the 'thinking' part without the talking (or writing) part than a man can do the being graceful part of walking apart from the walking." This may be true of thinkingly writing the sentence (whatever that means). But it does not follow that one cannot think that certain kinds of thinking are pieces of intelligent talking to oneself without the use of language, though Smart clearly thinks that it does. Of course one cannot thinkingly write without writing. But that is nothing to the point of whether or not we can and do think with or without words. Also, the comparison to graceful walking is not apt. We do, as above shown, sometimes think without words or symbols, while no cases of grace without behavior are known.

Now it is very certainly true that some processes clearly involving thinking as described above depend for their occurrence upon linguistic behavior and the sensible signs which it involves, for example, the processes of learning algebra or the history of the Basques, or learning how to counsel emotionally upset persons. But it is to be noted that these are not themselves processes of thinking, but rather are extremely complex processes involving all kinds of events and entities other than language and other than thinking--e.g., feelings, perceptions, buildings, other persons, days and nights, books, and so on. None of these processes is a process of thinking; and for that reason alone it is invalid to infer from them that thinking is linguistic behavior, or that one thinks with language. What is essential to things or events of a certain sort must be shown essential to them taken by themselves, not in combination with many other things. With reference to the involved processes in question, it might be more appropriate (though it would still be wrong) to say--as some have said in recent years--that we live in or with language. Nevertheless, it is certain that some kind of dependence relation--probably similar to feedback mechanisms--exists between linguistic processes and their sensuous signs, on the one hand, and certain sequences of t-states on the other. What, exactly, this relation <132> of dependence is continues to be veiled by, among other things, a priori assumptions about what thinking and language must be and do. One such assumption is that which holds thinking essentially to be an operation with signs or symbols, or doing something with--or in--linguistic processes or entities.

The view that we (necessarily) think without language is, today, regarded as so outlandish as not to merit serious consideration. But this is not due to a lack of arguments to support it. My object here has been to focus upon certain arguments purporting to show the absurdity of thinking in language. The main points in these arguments are: Thinking does occur without any accompanying language whatsoever, and thus shows itself not to be a power or act of managing linguistic signs, once it is clear what such a sign is. Thinking, as distinct from behavioral processes involving it, can do nothing to signs or symbols, and hence can do nothing with them.


NOTES

  1. See for example, Ramsey's Foundations of Mathematics, p. 138, and Kneale's remarks in Feigl and Sellars, Readings in Philosophical Analysis, p. 42. Return to text.
  2. See S. Morris Engel, "Thought and Language," Dialogue, Vol. 3, 1964, 160-170; Jerome Shaffer, "Recent Work on the Mind-Body Problem," American Philosophical Quarterly, Vol. II, 1965, esp. p. 83; R. Kirk, "Rationality Without Language," Mind, 1967, pp. 369-368; G. Ryle, "A Puzzling Element in the Notion of Thinking," in Studies in the Philosophy of Thought and Action, P. F. Strawson, ed., (Oxford: 1968), pp. 7-23. Interesting remarks on the issues here are also found in Bruce Aune's Knowledge, Mind and Nature, chap. VIII and H. H. Price's Thinking and Experience, Chap. X.  See also Wm. James, "Thought Before Language; A Deaf Mute's Recollections," Mind, Vol. I, 1892; and see Wittgenstein's comments on this in Philosophical Investigations, No. 342. Return to text.
  3. I use only think here, for simplicity; but think that and other structures of such intentional states (and sequences thereof) might also be mentioned. Specifically, I would also wish to hold that instances of thinking that, in the sense of inferring or puzzling something out, occur in the absence of appropriate linguistic entities or activities. Return to text.


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To: RightWhale
Einstein thought in pictures, he said. For an autistic person he sure made a lot of lucid contributions in many fields.

Virtually everyone thinks in pictures. The confusion comes from two sources, in my opinion. (1)Some people make the transfer to words so rapidly, that they believe--erroneously--that they are actually thinking in words. Yet even as fast as these people make the transfer, the process is still enormously slower than working with the images without the words.

(2)Since we all require words to communicate with other people, even those who verbalize more slowly, still fall into the trap of trying to make the transfer into words as rapidly as they are able. Thus they still stultify their perception.

Generally, women make the transfer more rapidly than men. Most women are, in fact, unable to even realize that they are making a transfer, and will actually argue that they don't. One of the effects of this 'faster on the draw verbalization' that anyone can notice is at a party, where if the girls are keyed up, and not deliberately frustrating the tendency--as old fashioned Moms would have taught them to do--the guys have difficulty getting a word in. (I have always believed that this phenomenon was behind the proper Victorian tendency to divide the sexes, after a dinner, into separate rooms--whether or not cigars were the excuse.)

William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site

221 posted on 05/24/2003 2:02:43 PM PDT by Ohioan
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To: Ohioan
It is rather pompous to assume that someone who believes he is thinking in words is actually not. Do you base your assumption on the way you think?

As I mentioned in post 215/216 human beings are quite subjective in their analyses of the process of thought.

A great example of someone who might think extensively in words is a schizophrenic. Indeed, one of the key symptoms of his condition is an inability to shut down or control the constant barrage of "talking in his head."

222 posted on 05/24/2003 2:13:08 PM PDT by TaxRelief
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To: Ohioan
Virtually everyone thinks in pictures

A more precise term is ... concepts.

223 posted on 05/24/2003 2:37:13 PM PDT by thinktwice
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To: TaxRelief
It is rather pompous to assume that someone who believes he is thinking in words is actually not. Do you base your assumption on the way you think?

In part, yes. But it is the way everyone thinks, whether they want to argue the point or not. If your wife comes home and describes an event that happened at work, or at a store, or at her hair dresser's, with her impressions, etc.., do you really believe that her analysis of the event started verbally? How could it? The start is in the dynamic moving images that she is relating to you via the medium of language. But it had to start with those images. However fast she may make the verbal transfer, the event, related, started with images and other sensory impressions.

Incidentally, whether you consider me pompous or not, I little care. But I did want to commend you on your post #215. It is a reasoned position, which I would have acknowledged earlier, had I not already posted a second response here, before I read it.

William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site

224 posted on 05/24/2003 2:38:58 PM PDT by Ohioan
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To: thinktwice
A more precise term is ... concepts.

Actually not. A concept, even non-verbal, is still secondary to perception--which really would be a more precise term, because we have perceptions that are not visual or pictorial. A concept is something that arises out of our crunching of perceptions.

I was not really trying to be that precise, however; just make the general point that verbalization, while the key to most communications, is not necessarily the key to unlocking the maximum analytic power of the human mind. Some pictures, after all, are not worth a thousand words; it would take millions to describe what you can see in a second.

William Flax

225 posted on 05/24/2003 2:46:47 PM PDT by Ohioan
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To: TaxRelief
one may reasonably calculate that there would be very slim odds of two humans thinking exactly the same way.

While "proving" things in upper division math classes, it was interesting to observe that legitimate proof methods differed substantially, from student to student, in "proving" the same mathematical relationships.

I differ, therefore, with your inference that humans cannot reach similar conclusions given the same facts.

When humans come to agreement about newly discovered "facts," a concept is born; and the word describing that concept will end up in dictionaries.

Dictionaries -- The epistemological treasure chest used to describe human concepts -- "truths," so to speak, for those concepts based in reality.

226 posted on 05/24/2003 2:56:22 PM PDT by thinktwice
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To: Alamo-Girl
If consciousness existed separate from the brain, that would make the existence of a greater consciousness follow, in other words, God. And so, if a means b, then b means a.

There seems to me to be more evidence for God than evidence to distinguish between a physical and non-physical source for the consciousness. 'Course that expands the field of non-physical believers only slightly.

227 posted on 05/24/2003 3:03:37 PM PDT by William Terrell (People can exist without government but government can't exist without people.)
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To: Consort
Time travel is relatively simple and at the same time very difficult. The ability to travel in time is based on science which relies on the definition of just what time is.

In a classical example of time, time is and was the exact center of mass of the universe. prior to the universe as we know it, the universe was a point of mass infinitesimally small. The exact center of mass was a point called time. When the universe exploded, based upon external forces as some would propose ie the hand of God, the point called time was put in motion, always maintaing itself as the center of mass of what was the original universe plus the additional force introduced by God.

The line transcribed by associating all the points of the center of mass has been defined as the time line. This line is not linear, quite the contrary, it twists and turns. If you could approach any point on the line, you would experience the universe as it existed at that point in time.

Time travel can only be accomodated by travelling back in time for it is there that the time line exists, not in the future. There are additional limitations and anomolies which must be considered. Let me know if you are interested and I will provide you with further information to help your understanding of this phenomenom.

228 posted on 05/24/2003 3:11:30 PM PDT by fifteendogs
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To: Under the Radar
In order to prove that i am telepathic, I need to have some else who is also telepathic. Then I would be able to tell what was being transmitted to me and the other telepath could document what I was sending to them. I haven't met any other telepaths here.
229 posted on 05/24/2003 3:20:05 PM PDT by fifteendogs
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To: Ohioan
the key to unlocking the maximum analytic power of the human mind ...

... is to base one's epistemology upon axiomatic concepts -- facts about reality which cannot be analyzed; primary facts such as existence, identity and consciousness; the "givens" -- and to rigorously build one's power-knowledge-base to analyze data based on those axiomatic concepts.

230 posted on 05/24/2003 3:20:59 PM PDT by thinktwice
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To: FITZ
When I learned to speak english, I spoke no other language.
231 posted on 05/24/2003 3:21:41 PM PDT by fifteendogs
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To: LibKill
I can only experienc your thoughts if you transmit. I do not have to "listen" to your thoughts if I do not want to.
232 posted on 05/24/2003 3:23:36 PM PDT by fifteendogs
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To: thinktwice
Your point is absolutely correct, but not relevant to the point I intended to convey. Let me clarify:

The reference to "thinking the same way" does not refer to one incident or one type of incident. Taking this conclusion out of context from the entire post or the entire thread changes its meaning completely.

The main point of the post was:

Because every human being thinks, each individual is naturally biased by the way he (or she) personally experiences intellect and emotion. Furthermore, since thought ...is universally experienced... there is currently no person who is impartial enough to determine what processes* "people" use to think.


*processes can include: thinking in words, pictures, symbols, thinking on an intuitive level, subconsciously, consciously.

233 posted on 05/24/2003 3:35:37 PM PDT by TaxRelief
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To: D-fendr
reason/logic requires the subject to be limited

Logic, law, and word are nearly the same in the root. Logos, legis. All of these apparently are from the Indo-European lex-, to gather. We're gathering. There is no limit except our ability to learn and gather; mende- learn, mathematikos, learning. It's what we do, we are men, women, learners, gatherers.

234 posted on 05/24/2003 3:35:52 PM PDT by RightWhale (Theorems link concepts; proofs establish links)
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To: thinktwice
You are making the exact opposite assumption from my point. Wise men may refer to axioms, because those axioms pass muster in a non-verbal scan of available data. To accept them purely as a` priori assumptions, and then engage in verbal constructions from those assumptions, is correctly characterized in Poe's comment on the Utilitarians (Poe Ridicules British Utilitarians).

Verbal constructs, however closely they may approximate reasoning from real data and observation, are inevitably flawed.

William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site

235 posted on 05/24/2003 3:39:27 PM PDT by Ohioan
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To: unspun
I haven't the faintest idea of what you have written here. I guess you have demonstrated "The absurdity of thinking in Language".
236 posted on 05/24/2003 3:42:57 PM PDT by fifteendogs
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To: fifteendogs
In a telepathic environment, history is based on facts, pure and indisputable facts.

This is a simplistic view and incorrect. Null mappings or incomplete mappings between two or more contexts will break any semblence of perfect subjective symmetry. Mathematically speaking, the only way to have the same subjective impression of any event among multiple minds is if they are absolutely identical. Even receiving identical experiences for their entire existence in a different order or temporally shifted will break the symmetry.

It is mathematically intrinsic to the type of representational system used in the brain that "perfect understanding" or identical subjective impressions is impossible. Never mind the fact that transaction theory does not allow us to truly guarantee the synchronization of "indisputable facts" even in the case of identical minds; a synchronization protocol that can make facts "indisputable" is not possible, and all approximations of it will necessarily break the symmetry.

In other words, "hive minds" of perfect and identical understanding are actually mathematically impossible. Telepathy is just a different, and perhaps more efficient, transport for the same basic protocol.

237 posted on 05/24/2003 3:46:02 PM PDT by tortoise
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To: fifteendogs
You mean that two part essay? Huh. It wasn't easy to write -- maybe that was an indication it needed further work. I suppose I'll look into that some day.

(Not assuming that would come before we can just get along with telepathy. Did you mean to say that you believe we'll evolve it? Or be granted it by aliens? Not sure what you meant either.)

238 posted on 05/24/2003 3:47:27 PM PDT by unspun ("Do everything in love.")
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To: Ohioan
Tobacco is an aid to conservation. American Indians knew this. When tobacco was introduced to Europe it aided the assimilation of men in polite company where with its aid they could keep up with the women conversationally. Women, of course, did not smoke as a rule.

This is also behind the current attempt to ban tobacco. It takes away the equalizer and allows natural competition. In this sense it goes counter to the social movement towards equality and demonstrates that the movement is inherently hollow, idealistic, and has other motives than what is stated. Also in this sense it is brother to the movement toward banning firearms. They are going back to the pre-industrial age, perhaps back to a rustic age where living was precarious, want was universal, and violence excessive.

239 posted on 05/24/2003 3:48:42 PM PDT by RightWhale (Theorems link concepts; proofs establish links)
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To: unspun
Mankind will evolve to using telepathy instead of the spoken or written word. It will make it easier to convey ones thoughts. I am sure that in the future I will be able to understand what you were saying in your earlier post. Hopefully you will live long enough to experience telepathy. No mistakes, no misunderstandings. You literally speak your mind.
240 posted on 05/24/2003 3:54:36 PM PDT by fifteendogs
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