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FReepers Against Voter Fraud - (Preparing for 2004)
Various | May 25, 2003 | sweetliberty

Posted on 05/25/2003 8:11:17 AM PDT by sweetliberty

We are fast approaching election fraud season again and it is time to get prepared. This thread is a temporary one designed to solicit updates on election fraud in your states and regions that we may have the maximum number of resources to work with for the next "official" thread, which I hope to have up within a week or so. I am having some problems with graphics getting scrambled by my graphics server and am trying to get the problem resolved. In the meantime, since we are a frontpage link and the last thread is outdated, this one will serve in the interim.

Another thing I would like to do is to collect suggestions we can implement for heading off some problems before they occur. 2004 is an important election and the RATs are mad. They see some of the positive changes taking place and they don't like it one bit, so you can bet that they'll pull out all the stops. Besides the fact that this is a presidential election, there are also a number of democRAT seats in the House and Senate that will be vulnerable. We need to find ways to maximize out advantage in these states.

Brainstorm away FReepers!

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1 posted on 05/25/2003 8:11:17 AM PDT by sweetliberty
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To: Fish out of Water; hellinahandcart; Interesting Times; CPT Clay; Dog Gone; The Shrew; MeeknMing; ...
Voter fraud ping!

Please FReepmail if you want on or off my voter fraud ping list!

2 posted on 05/25/2003 8:13:45 AM PDT by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: sweetliberty
For California the solution is simple.

Require proof of US citizenship before voting!

3 posted on 05/25/2003 8:14:29 AM PDT by Amerigomag
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To: sweetliberty; Travis McGee
Travis, have you heard anything more about the touch screen voting machines that compare your fingerprints to the database of felons and parolees that are ineligable to vote? Maybe they can add the prints of those that are wanted felons and thse that have warrants for stuff like back child support?
4 posted on 05/25/2003 8:18:55 AM PDT by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig (Soccer Mom's flee the Rats for Bush in his flight suit: I call this the Moisture Factor. MF high!)
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To: Amerigomag
"For California the solution is simple.

Require proof of US citizenship before voting!"

Simple perhaps, but just try getting democRATs to agree to it. That's a whole different story.

5 posted on 05/25/2003 8:19:32 AM PDT by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: sweetliberty
Up With The Right!

Vote For Republicans!

GWB Is The Man!

The RATS Are In Disarray...Eradicate The Rodents!

Fire Democrats, Hire Republicans!

6 posted on 05/25/2003 8:21:24 AM PDT by blackie
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To: blackie
Remember those Chicago ballot boxes in the 1960 election!
7 posted on 05/25/2003 8:40:42 AM PDT by Ciexyz
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To: sweetliberty
South Dakota is the place to watch. Daschle is up and they have already gotten away with voter fraud there just a few months ago.
8 posted on 05/25/2003 8:42:52 AM PDT by Radix
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To: sweetliberty
Methinks you should store your graphics somewhere else. fotki.com is crawling (barely).
9 posted on 05/25/2003 8:46:03 AM PDT by upchuck (Contribute to "Republicans for Al Sharpton for President in 2004." Dial 1-800-SLAPTHADONKEY :)
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To: sweetliberty
In Florida Just focus on two counties(Palm Beach and Broward). The rest of the state has it right.
10 posted on 05/25/2003 8:46:47 AM PDT by darkwing104
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To: Radix
South Dakota is at the top of the list. The biggest problem they have there is not requiring any kind of identification to vote, or even to register, if I am not mistaken. Until that gaping hole is patched, our only real hope is that the office of the A.G. will be keeping a close eye on the goings on there.
11 posted on 05/25/2003 8:47:19 AM PDT by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: upchuck
We need enough voter fraud to insure Big Al Sharpton is the democRATic nominee for POTUS.

Sharpton/Hillary! 2004

12 posted on 05/25/2003 8:48:19 AM PDT by upchuck (Contribute to "Republicans for Al Sharpton for President in 2004." Dial 1-800-SLAPTHADONKEY :)
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To: sweetliberty
Go down to your local recorders office and ask to go through all the voter registration forms to confirm that they are accurate. You can weed out the dead people, the people who've moved etc. Its called cleaning up the voter rolls, and it is a good project for good citizens who want to help.
13 posted on 05/25/2003 8:49:16 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: upchuck
Yeah, Fotki is definitely crawling this morning. Normally it is pretty good and I just paid for another year, so I guess I will work with it.
14 posted on 05/25/2003 8:50:08 AM PDT by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: sweetliberty; .45MAN; FreedomPoster; Guillermo; RobFromGa
Thanks for the ping.

In GA it will be interesting to witness the results of the lawsuit brought by Jihad Cindy McNinney supporters who are still whining about the "racist, white Republicans" who *legally* crossed over to vote in a *Black Female Democrat* (Denise Majette) during last year's primary.

What's in store here in the Peach State for 2004? Hopefully, I'll be back in FL before that, educating the Palm Beach County voters on how to vote! :-)
15 posted on 05/25/2003 8:59:34 AM PDT by dansangel (America - love it, support it, or LEAVE IT!)
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To: dansangel
You think she's whining now? I don't think you've seen anything compared to the fever pitch of the whine that will be emitted from RATs all over the place when Republicans turn out in force to legally vote for Al Sharpton in the RAT primaries, especially given that many will have to temporarily register as democRATs to do it so not only will it tamper with the results in their primaries, but it will fog up the voter registration rolls to their confusion. Doubtless they will squeal about the unfairness of the evil Republicans without ever once considering the dastardly unfairness of their own tactics. They can dish it out but they sure can't take it. There is a certain satisfaction in the thought of beating them at their own game though.
16 posted on 05/25/2003 9:08:36 AM PDT by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: sweetliberty
No Ideas but I post this as a service to all who may have one of the criminal class come to their door. (Please feel free to adapt it to local circumstances

The Garage Grilling
Joe Soucheray

Which section of the paper do you read first ?
(If they answer the Editorial or Metro section, thank them for their time and move them on to the next house)

Can the Government solve most of our problems ?
(If they answer yes, thank them for their time and move them on to the next house)

Have you ever attended the Hubert H. Humphrey Institute of Public Affairs ?
(If yes, thank them for their time and move them on to the next house)

In thirty words or less, why are you running ?

Do you believe in limiting the growth of Government to the Personal Income Index ?

If you could have dinner with anyone who has ever lived, who would it be ? (Jesus and Ghandi are excluded)

What is the difference between Macro and Micro Economics ?
Other than Karl Marx, Name one economist.

If you have held a public office, how long have you served, and name your five best accomplishments.

In the early 1930s, when Winston Churchill warned Europe about Hitler and the German war machine, people thought that he was crazy. Would you let people think that you were crazy if you believe that you're right ?

Would you take a pay-cut to solve our budget problems ?

Have you ever sued anyone ?

Would you ever euphumize Unemployment Compensation into "reemployment insurance" ?

Will you limit yourself to less than four terms in office, and be willing to sign a public proclamation saying so ?

Please quote one line from the movie Caddyshack. (If they cannot, the movie Stripes is an acceptable alternative.)
17 posted on 05/25/2003 9:14:45 AM PDT by Valin (Age and deceit beat youth and skill)
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To: sweetliberty
This is another example of the Republicans beating up on the little guy.

The democrats have, for years, provided income to folks who might not otherwise have gainful employment. In Florida, alone, the democrats pumped millions into the Jamaican and Haitian communities by employing newcomers to our country to vote for democrats and used incentives to pay each voter, every time he voted.

In St. Louis, Gephardt's organization pays poor black families bonuses every other year for the number of living and dead folks they can put on the voter rolls. And, in Texas, California, and New Mexico, newly arrived wetbacks can earn good money "motor votin' for the dems." In South Dakota, native American, tribal precinct captains can purchase much fire water with what the dems pay them to register dead and living Indians and casting their votes.

Has anyone yet seen a democrap effort to have matricula cards accepted as proper ID at the polls? If not, I guarantee, it's coming, if not publically, then by stealth.

18 posted on 05/25/2003 9:25:06 AM PDT by Tacis
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To: Tacis
"Has anyone yet seen a democrap effort to have matricula cards accepted as proper ID at the polls?"

No. Their style is more along the order of abolishing the requirement of any ID at all. It discriminates against the poor and minorities don't you know?

19 posted on 05/25/2003 9:27:51 AM PDT by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: Amerigomag
You know they don't even require photo ID to vote here, right?

I offered it to a poll worker once to see what would happen, and he flipped out.

Apparently, it's illegal to check photo ID, and he was worried someone would take my showing him it the wrong way.

The best part about all this is that my photo ID has my old address in Northern California on it.

Voter fraud is built into the system here, but at least we managed to avoid same-day voter registration last time out.
20 posted on 05/25/2003 9:40:01 AM PDT by TheAngryClam (This space for rent.)
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21 posted on 05/25/2003 9:51:09 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (Bu-bye Dixie Chimps! / Check out my Freeper site !: http://home.attbi.com/~freeper/wsb/index.html)
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To: sweetliberty
I am from Missouri. The 2000 Elections were unreal !
Polling areas that were predominantly democrat were left open until midnight. We need watchers at all polls. However there were complaints made and ignored by judges.
Remember Missouri voted for the dead guy Carnahan and then gave the office to the evil Jean Carnahan who never ran or was qualified.
Missouri democrats are evil and corrupt. They went into the skid row areas and bribed the homeless to vote. Well the list of their election crimes goes on and on !
My local T.V. news is already campaigning for democrats and bashing President Bush every chance they get.
(CBS kctv5 news in Kansas City) They blocked my email so I couldn't write any more protest about their bais and politcal attacks against President Bush.
22 posted on 05/25/2003 9:53:25 AM PDT by OREALLY
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To: OREALLY
Sounds very much like Arkansas. The electoral RATS here are just plain evil. After the last election when we actually had some poll watchers, they screamed bloody murder and actually formulated a bill to try and ban pollwatchers. Thanks to FReeper efforts, it failed, but it was very touch and go there for awhile. Unfortunately, our Republican governor seems to only exist as a rubber stamp for RAT policies. He seems to have no real power. The latest legislative travesty was the passage of more obscene taxes in one of poorest and already most overtaxed states in the country, and the people have no say about it. Our job is to shut up and pay....and pay....and pay.
23 posted on 05/25/2003 10:17:26 AM PDT by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: sweetliberty
Doubtless they will squeal about the unfairness of the evil Republicans without ever once considering the dastardly unfairness of their own tactics. They can dish it out but they sure can't take it.

Amen, sister. You are so right.

Dead? No problem! Line right up and vote here.

Republican? Now wait just a gol'darned minute. No, you can't come in here, it's a dimocrap precinct! No fair! Wahhhhhhhh!

24 posted on 05/25/2003 10:50:03 AM PDT by dansangel (America - love it, support it, or LEAVE IT!)
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To: sweetliberty
BUMP
25 posted on 05/25/2003 11:05:53 AM PDT by TLBSHOW (the gift is to see the truth)
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To: TheAngryClam
{at least we managed to avoid same-day voter registration last time out}

Last year, the CA same-day voter registration ballot lost by a landslide despite the cheerleading from the press. No doubt the RATS will try again in the future. You can count on it. I heard CA is trying again to allow "undocumented" residents obtain driver licenses.

There seems to a pattern brewing with the RATS. Minnesota and Idaho allow same day voter registration. Latino groups in those states are lobbying for driver licenses for "undocumented" residents. Meanwhile, TN and NC allow "undocumented" residents to obtain driver licenses. The RATS in those states are pushing for same day voter registration. Anyone see a pattern here?
26 posted on 05/25/2003 11:21:50 AM PDT by Kuksool
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To: sweetliberty
I would like to be kept up on what's happening with any poll watching efforts in which I can take part. Are you planning on formulating a strategy that we can implement nationwide? If so, people with video cameras at the polls would be a great idea.
27 posted on 05/25/2003 11:33:39 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken.)
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To: OREALLY
{Missouri democrats are evil and corrupt. They went into the skid row areas and bribed the homeless to vote. Well the list of their election crimes goes on and on!}

This sure explains why the MO Senate race last year was so close (Talent beat the Widow by 50-49). On election night, Talent was leading the Widow by a good margin until the votes in St. Louis came in. It then became too close for comfort. I guess the RATS underestimated many fraudulent votes to create.

28 posted on 05/25/2003 11:38:44 AM PDT by Kuksool
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To: ovrtaxt
Poll watchers using cameras is going to depend on the laws which vary from state to state. It was suggested awhile back that we have lots of "interested parties" stationed at the polls with pen type cameras so's to keep the hollering about voter intimidation down to a minimum. Kinda hard to be intimidated by something you are unaware of. I don't know the quality of pictures these cameras take. Perhaps someone has had some experience with them or could make recommendations. The idea behind this is to get evidence of such things as busloads of people going from polling site to polling site (photos of license plates as well as voters). Of course, short of actually following them around, this would require having people at different precincts.
29 posted on 05/25/2003 11:40:09 AM PDT by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: Ciexyz
Yep, the dead will rise to vote again. :)
30 posted on 05/25/2003 12:18:30 PM PDT by blackie
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To: Tacis
In St. Louis, Gephardt's organization pays poor black families bonuses every other year for the number of living and dead folks they can put on the voter rolls.
That's because the DNC is strongly in touch with the necrofilc community.

Has anyone yet seen a democrap effort to have matricula cards accepted as proper ID at the polls?
Now don't give them any ideas!

31 posted on 05/25/2003 12:42:30 PM PDT by Valin (Age and deceit beat youth and skill)
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To: sweetliberty
In Washington, 2004 our RAT governor, Gary Locke, and one RAT Senator, Patty "Moron" Murray, are up for re-election. Should be interesting to see what results from these turkeys, especially Gary Locke being first Chinese governor. He'll be locking in the votes of the Orientals. Wonder if he'll gather some of those questionable Chinese that Gore managed elicit money from since both have Seattle and the rest of King County locked up?
32 posted on 05/25/2003 1:09:32 PM PDT by lilylangtree
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To: sweetliberty
Please add me to ping list
33 posted on 05/25/2003 1:16:03 PM PDT by not-alone
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To: sweetliberty
COUNT ME IN.

BTW, what can be done about bringing to justice the horrendous fraud concerning the military in 2,000.

Given all the support for the military, given the 2004--it seems like A VERY TIMELY THING TO BEAT THE DRUMS AND CYMBALS ABOUT???
35 posted on 05/25/2003 1:57:37 PM PDT by Quix (MAY BIBLE CODE DIGEST IS UP AT biblecodedigest.com)
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To: sweetliberty
FReepers can help by going to their local Election Boards and asking to be poll workers on Election Day. Here in Metro Louisville KY the Jefferson County Board of Elections puts the call out every election for poll workers. The pay's not bad either; here it's $105. They always turn away registered Demo-RATS because there's too many of them working the polls already but they beg for registered Republicans. The number of 'RATS and Republicans working each poll location is supposed to be equal here. Our balloting system is the "fill-in-the-oval" type that gets fed into a computerized counting machine: very hard to intoduce fraud into the system. FReepers get out there and work the polls!!!!
36 posted on 05/25/2003 1:58:37 PM PDT by BlueOneGolf (3rd Infantry Division. "Rock of the Marne!")
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To: BlueOneGolf
Here the RATS do their darndest to prevent Republicans from working in any capacity. Hey, when is there a FReeper meeting in Louisville? I may be up there in a couple of weeks. We have a family reunion in Somerset on the 7th, but my dad lives in Louisville. I'd love to meet some more Kentucky FReepers.
37 posted on 05/25/2003 2:23:55 PM PDT by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: sweetliberty
States should require identification before voting, and should clean up their voter registration rolls.
38 posted on 05/25/2003 2:27:09 PM PDT by gitmo (THEN: Give me Liberty or give me Death. NOW: Take my Liberty so I can't hurt Myself.)
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To: BlueOneGolf
They always turn away registered Demo-RATS because there's too many of them working the polls already but they beg for registered Republicans. The number of 'RATS and Republicans working each poll location is supposed to be equal here.

The same is true in new york 2 workers at each poll but the prob is they have some really old liberal republicans working the polls.I'll have to dig out my election law book and see if were allowed observers .

A good idea would be placards and T-shirts posted and worn by a freeper saying "This poll is being observed by the free republic!".

Then arm them with a vid cam in case someone objecs to the rights of a fair election.

39 posted on 05/25/2003 2:36:28 PM PDT by SirTaurus
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To: gitmo
Couldn't agree more. Problem is, in states such as Arkansas where you pretty much have RATs in control of everything, right down to the dog pound (whose residents probably vote) it is pretty hard to implement any effective changes, however smple and obvious those changes may be. Here, ID IS required and the RATs and black KKK NAACP polling coaches were still squealing like stuck pigs whenever a poll watcher would challenge the poll workers about requesting it. Think about it. Who is it that ALWAYS throws the fits when any real election reform is proposed? Hint: it ain't the Republicans.
40 posted on 05/25/2003 2:40:59 PM PDT by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: sweetliberty
Thanks for the ping & bttt
41 posted on 05/25/2003 2:58:42 PM PDT by firewalk
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To: SirTaurus
We need to post some of the information on the laws in various places. Let us know what you find out and get links if you can. The urban areas in New York (Hillary central) is a hotbed of fraud. A lot of registered New York voters who live in Florida in the winter have a tendency to vote twice as well. Not sure how to deal with that.

Seems to me that with the technology we have that allows businesses and government to track every American no matter where we are or what we do, that we could come up with a fraud proof standardized voter "smart card". The idea would be for every voter to provide valid ID to register to vote after which each voter would be issued a card which would be presented at the polls. The smart card technology would prevent voting more than once AND voting in the wrong place.

42 posted on 05/25/2003 3:09:01 PM PDT by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: sweetliberty
BUMP!
43 posted on 05/25/2003 4:55:50 PM PDT by dansangel (America - love it, support it or LEAVE it!)
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To: sweetliberty
Ah'm affered mah brain broke!
44 posted on 05/25/2003 5:10:59 PM PDT by Budge (God Bless FReepers!)
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To: sweetliberty
First and foremost, we have to ensure that every military absentee ballot is counted. Everywhere.
45 posted on 05/25/2003 5:23:03 PM PDT by jackbill
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To: sweetliberty
Time to start thinking again.

I think Oregon may use the mail in ballots again. There needs to be a double check that in no way do two ballots go to the same address unless a thorough check is done.

For example, husband AND wife

But not husband AND dog

In my case, I know ballots came for mother AND son
But not for mother AND cat

I don't know about the logistics of this, but it is just a thought.
46 posted on 05/25/2003 6:49:28 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: sweetliberty
bump
47 posted on 05/25/2003 8:41:15 PM PDT by quietolong
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To: sweetliberty
Bump!
48 posted on 05/25/2003 10:41:28 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: sweetliberty; nicmarlo
One thing that might help is to make up a ping list for each state and use it when we post an article in a particular state. That will make it come home to those in that state. I will be willing to bet we will get more response that way. I can just ask them to tell us not to ping them with active voter fraud info in their state. How many will ask to be removed?...my guess is not very many!

I can e-mail you the lists after many hours of getting them together. That way you can use them also. Nic will need a list too. What do you all think?
49 posted on 05/25/2003 10:55:58 PM PDT by TheLion
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To: TheLion
I have worked on doing some ping lists like that. It takes a lot of time. But yes, I agree that it is a good idea as long as they are not used too often.
50 posted on 05/26/2003 4:50:01 AM PDT by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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