Man Dying of Child Support Enforcement

Mens News Daily ^ | May 30, 2003 | Roger F. Gay

[TheCrusader]

"Then pick your bride carefully, and stay married to her."

Great post, too bad you forgot to mention how a man stays married to a women bent of divorce in a nation that grants "no-fault" divorces upon request. The divorce rules are made to order for women in our system. Here's just one of hundreds of examples. A woman is filing for a divorce under the customary "no fault" law. She cannot afford a lawyer. The Courts in my state will give her one, for free. Now, her husband, equally poor, must go hire his own lawyer, as no such program is avialable to men. I will be only too pleased to list all the other easily proven examples of gender bias in divorce and child support cases. So thank you in advance for asking me.

[HiTech RedNeck]

Oh and liberals, in unison now: "IT'S FOR THE CHILLUN."

NO IT'S NOT FOR THE CHILLUN. IT'S FOR THE CONTROL FREAKS IN THE ALMIGHTY SOCIALIST LIBERAL STATE.

[RichardW]

My heart just bleeds for all these poor beaten down deadbeats. Their gross irresponsibility is so misunderstood. Such a terrible tragedy. Where is my crying towel?

[nothingnew]

How about my friend,who used to live in Colorado, who having divorced, was ordered to pay outrageous child support based on a salary he made years ago? He went back to NYC to regain his job as a printer, then lost that job on 9/13/01. The court stills orders him to pay the ridiculous amount.

The court is STACKED against honest men and good fathers, who try their best to comply with BS orders from weakling sissy judges.

I don't want to hear anymore about it. It's corrupt thru and thru.

FMCDH

[TheCrusader]

"If you make a baby, you do whatever it takes to raise that baby, all the way through."

Now, does this philosophy of yours include the mother staying with the father "through good times and bad", as pledged? Or is this just one of those feminist "male only" philosophies? Just curious.

Confucious say: "Woman who keeps knees together won't get prego". bonnnggggg

[Finny]

I've been looking down my nose at deadbeat dads and their whine-bag supporters for a lot longer than a day...

You sound to me just like lots of women, and some men I know, too -- they wear blinders, they see the narrow and carefully cropped picture that reinforces their false sense of security that they hold the moral high ground. There are very, very few real deadbeat dads, but millions of men who are stupidly, narrowly, falsely accused of being deadbeat deads by blindered twits who are too timid to see the light. The child support "solution" these twits promote has lead to much pain and suffering in children, especially male children. If women had something to lose in divorce, there would be far fewer divorces. But -- and this is what the sanctimonious "no tolerance for deadbeat dad!" twits refuse to see because it threatens them in some way -- the REALITY is that women have nothing to lose (except the hubby the don't want) and everything to gain. People who support this status quo are indirectly responsible for much unhappiness in kids.

[Ben Bolt]

Morality will never be legislated and you running to the FedGov for a solution will not work for you either . The problem is solved in the home .

[netmilsmom]

But I've been looking down my nose at deadbeat dads and their whine-bag supporters for a lot longer than a day...
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When you have been here a little longer, you will see. The media makes the men out to be constant bad guys. If the wife leaves this guy and he is BY LAW made to pay a certain amount even through medical problems, that is unfair. He didn't choose to leave, he should only pay what is fair.
I worked for a Psychiatrist. His wife left him and took his two kids. He fought 4 years for a settlement. Everytime they would agree she would want something more. He brother worked for one of the most powerful law firms in Cleveland. FINALLY they settled. You know what he got? No house, no cars, no motorcycle, no squat. He got his practice worth $15,000. She got everything else. Then he had to pay $5000.00 a month for child support and alimony. I knew, doing his books, this man didn't make that amount after expenses. You tell me that was fair.
He ended up folding the practice and moving into the private sector to prove he didn't make the money. I lost my job.
Yeah, this was really fair. And in the end she soured his kids on him so much, they had to be forced to see him. They liked me so would go to the office. She had it all. This is what men fight against. It isn't always his choice.

[netmilsmom]

He brother worked for one of the most powerful law firms in Cleveland
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Make that "Her" brother.

[marktwain]

ChemistCat, Perhaps you could consider reading before making moral pronouncements? Here is your synopsis:

I finally gleaned that he was engaging in a hunger strike to protest having to support his daughter, whom he had abandoned. A court ordered him to support her. Had he not left her, the court would never have gotten involved.

Here is the relevant paragraph from the article:

Dr. Chang's experience is one that has been repeated many times across the country over the past fifteen years. Sheriff's deputies literally kicked in the door to his apartment and arrested him at gunpoint - weeks after he had made necessary payments. Employees at the Middlesex County Child Support Department had refused to help weeks earlier after his employer had missed a child support payment and miscalculated another. His employer is charged with making payments after deducting them from his pay, a common practice since the early 1990s. Dr. Chang points out that his employer is generally cooperative with the agency, but had made errors after an end-of-year payroll conversion. He contacted the child support agency and sent the money himself, but that didn't stop the violent enforcement action weeks later.

Where do you get any sense that Dr. Chang abandoned his daughter?

Dr. Chang is protesting the Jack Booted Thug tactics of a police state that punishes him after he has done the right thing.

From your other posts, I expect better. This issue has been so well used by the OldDominantLiberalMedia to beat up men, that I might expect people to be taken in by all the propaganda, I suppose.

[gcruse]

"If you don't abort, you must support."

I have no sympathy for dead beat parents.

[netmilsmom]

PLEASE, reread the article. He paid!

[dozer7]

"Joined yesterday, and I can't wait to see what else I can find to "discuss"! But I've been looking down my nose at deadbeat dads
and their whine-bag supporters for a lot longer than a day..."

Rave on have heard it all before. Very few men get custody of the children, less than 10%. I had custody of my three sons and still payed child support. They grew up just fine in a single parent household ran by a man. Do some serious statistics research. Define for me a deadbeat and then provide me with the statistics that support the argument that they are the norm.

regards

[666beast]

sounds like any man, any where, who for whatever reason, is separated from a woman with his kid...is a deadbeat.

lots of manhaters on the board today. bitter and vicious bloodsucking leeches. i hope they all end up miserable as they have tried to manipulate a no-work life for themselves in this country.

[netmilsmom]

One of the finest men I have ever known was deserted by his wife who cleaned out the house but left him with three kids. He was a computer guy, always a little unkept and then you saw how darling he kept his kids. Everyone knew all the effort went into them.
When his oldest was 10 she developed an inoperable brain tumor. He combed the internet, to no avail. The sweet angel passed with her Daddy by her side.
The kicker to the story? She was given a trip to Disney World by Make A Wish and the mother tried to talk her into taking her and the new boyfriend instead of Dad. The b!tch.

BTW, I want my daughters to be rocket scientists. My five year old wants to take her sister to be the first women on Mars. She wants to design the rocket!

[Hot Tabasco]

The child support system via Friend of the Court is a typical government abomination!

I am a pension specialist for my company and I know of several individuals who are now victims of the system. One who is an employee who was forced to pay child support (which he willingly did) for a daughter for at least a year following her enlistment in the military.

Another individual who is only receiving approx. $895.00 permanent and total disability benefit who has to pay $800.00 to the mother of his children and he now has custody of both of them!!!! This has been going on for over a year and a half now and the worst part is he couldn't afford an attorney to get this straightned out.

Fortunately, last month he met an atty. who was willing to help him out free of charge......

The Friend of the Court is your typical bloated, overrated government system that has no accountability to anyone whatsoever.

[garbanzo]

It takes two to make a baby, and both should be responsible for caring for it.

As much as I hate to inject this issue here - women have the choice to decide if they want kids. In today's society, it's hard to fault guys for not wanting to pay for a woman's personal choices.

[snowstorm12]

Oh yeah women who file for divorce file for absolutely no good reason. They're all trying to bankrupt the ex because they're gold diggers. Yeah right!

If you don't want to take the risk. Don't marry don't have children. Nothing in life is risk free.

I don't think men understand what it's like to be a female. If men think they have it hard. Women have it 10 times harder.

[sweetliberty]

Oh give me a break. A woman makes her choice when she lays down. A guy can zip it up and the choice becomes his. You cannot put it all on the woman. You may consider murder a choice. I do not.

[garbanzo]

You may hold that opinion (and I'm considering birth control as well) but them's the facts. The whole concept of paternal child support was based on the idea that the woman had little choice but to have the child and that the man had a moral responsibility based less on biology than on the fact of being responsible for the "damage" he inflicted on the woman. Add to this the fact that in premodern ages a single woman had few economic options. Now both of the conditions are moot - women can do most types of work men do and they have a wide range of choices regarding their reproductive lives and men are simply responding to those facts on the ground.