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To: logos; betty boop; unspun
Thank you so much for your wonderful post!

The universe was "created," or willed into being by Someone or Some Thing

or

The universe came into existence through some as yet unidentified cataclysmic cosmic accident.

Those are the only available options for the beginning of our universe.

I would like to add that under the various multi-universe theories all that is being accomplished is moving the point at which there was a beginning. IOW, there is always a beginning.

577 posted on 06/09/2003 2:38:09 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl
I would like to add that under the various multi-universe theories all that is being accomplished is moving the point at which there was a beginning. IOW, there is always a beginning.

Reminiscent of "ancient astronauts." ;-)    (astro-naught)

582 posted on 06/09/2003 3:02:33 PM PDT by unspun ("Do everything in love.")
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To: Alamo-Girl
I would like to add that under the various multi-universe theories all that is being accomplished is moving the point at which there was a beginning. IOW, there is always a beginning.

Unless, of course, time doesn't mean what we assume it does.

585 posted on 06/09/2003 3:32:19 PM PDT by js1138
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To: Alamo-Girl
Some religions, versions of Hinduism or some American Indian religions, hold that the universe has existed forever, no beginning at all.
598 posted on 06/09/2003 8:24:21 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Alamo-Girl; logos; unspun; Phaedrus
...there is always a beginning....

You would think this point would be obvious from common sense and experience. But people are often led to distrust such things today.

Other than the two possibilities cited, there is a third, one that has been entertained by the classical Greeks and others, including certain scientists. Which is that the universe itself is eternal, having no beginning and presumably no end. But it seems to me that such a universe would probably be pretty pointless -- an infinity of randomness. Which is the polar opposite of specific creation.

If I might express it that way. Good night and may you have sweet dreams!

601 posted on 06/09/2003 9:47:04 PM PDT by betty boop (When people accept futility and the absurd as normal, the culture is decadent. -- Jacques Barzun)
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