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A vast cavern is the stage for tests to find the 'God particle'
The Times ^

Posted on 06/09/2003 6:11:13 AM PDT by andy224

Atlas holds key to scientists' map of Universe By Mark Henderson A vast cavern is the stage for tests to find the 'God particle'

SCIENTISTS have taken a step closer to finding the “God particle” that is thought to shape the Universe. In a concrete cavern 130ft deep and bigger than the nave of Canterbury Cathedral, they will mimic the high-energy conditions that existed fractions of a second after the Big Bang to study a beam of energy a quarter of the thickness of a human hair.

The vast Atlas cavern, which was completed last week at Cern, the European nuclear physics laboratory on the Franco-Swiss border, will house parts of a giant atom-smasher that is expected to solve the most elusive riddle in physics.

When the £1.5 billion Large Hadron Collider (LHC) is switched on in 2007, it will determine once and for all whether the Higgs boson, a mysterious fundamental particle held to give matter its mass, really exists. If the machine finds the boson, proposed by Professor Peter Higgs of Edinburgh University in 1964, it will prove that the Standard Model for the nature of the Universe is correct. If not, the maxims of modern physics will be thrown into disarray.

The boson was nicknamed the “God particle” by the Nobel laureate Leon Lederman for its centrality to the cosmos. Although it will be so small that its presence can only be calculated, not seen, the search for it requires some of the largest and most advanced scientific instruments designed.

The LHC itself is a ring 17 miles (27km) in circumference, buried up to 100m (330ft) underground, through which streams of protons will be bent by the world’s most powerful magnets and smashed into each other at close to the speed of light.

The new cavern, which will house the Atlas detector for tracking the Higgs and other particles, is 40m (130ft) deep, 55m (180ft) long and 35m (115ft) wide.

However, the proton beam that runs through both devices measures just 10 microns in diameter: less than a quarter of the thickness of the average human hair. Roger Cashmore, a British physicist and Cern’s director of research, said: “It is an astonishing feat of engineering. The consultants were on the verge of saying it was impossible to build. But the Atlas cavern is finished, the biggest of its kind in the world, and these experiments are going to tell us whether we’re right about the Universe.”

The current best guide to the nature of the Universe is the Standard Model, an elegant theory that describes how most particles and forces interact. The Higgs boson is its missing keystone: without it, there is no good explanation for why matter has mass and therefore exists.

According to the theory, the Universe is permeated by a field of Higgs bosons, which consist of mass but very little else. As particles move through the field, they interact with it like a ball dropped into a tub of treacle, getting slower, stickier and heavier. Their ultimate mass depends on the strength of the interaction.

Though mathematics predicts its existence, the Higgs boson has never been detected. It is so heavy that the biggest atom-smashers, Cern’s Large Electron-Positron collider (LEP) and the Tevatron at Fermilab in Illinois, have been unable to generate the high energy collisions needed to reveal it, although they have found hints that it is probably there. This is where the LHC comes in. It is 70 times as powerful as the LEP and seven times stronger than the Tevatron, covering all the energy values at which the Higgs might exist. If it is there, it will find it.

What is more, if the “God particle” proves to be a false deity, the LHC will unlock the secret of what is out there instead. “If it doesn’t find the Higgs, it will find what substitutes for it,” Dr Cashmore said.

Jim Virdee, Professor of Physics at Imperial College, London, and a leading Cern researcher, said: “There has to be something else, beyond what we have found already, that explains mass. We believe it’s the Higgs, but Nature may be smarter than us. Either way, the results will tell us what is the right road.”

The atom-smasher will accelerate protons so close to the speed of light that they become 7,000 times heavier than normal. The beams are bent into a circle by superconducting magnets, cooled by liquid helium at -271.4C, almost a degree colder than outer space.

When the protons collide, they are destroyed in a huge burst of energy. This energy coalesces into very heavy particles, one of which scientists hope will be the Higgs.

As the boson is unstable, it will quickly decay, scattering a characteristic signature of smaller particles and energy. These will be picked up by the LHC’s eyes — the Atlas and a sister detector — which surround the collision points.

The detectors, which stand 22m (72ft) and 15m (49ft) tall respectively, are “giant microscopes” built like onions, with several layers of instruments that track particles and measure energy.

The experiments will generate enormous quantities of data, much of it unwanted. “Colliding two protons is like colliding two oranges,” Dr Lyn Evans, director of the LHC project, said. “You’ll occasionally get a collision between two pips, the interesting bits, but you’ll get a lot of pulp. We need to reject an enormous amount of data to pick out the important bits.” Professor Virdee said that the data generated in one second was the equivalent of what all the world’s telecommunications generated in one year.

Even if this wealth of information proves the existence of the Higgs boson, the LHC will continue to serve scientific knowledge for decades.

“Let’s say we have the Higgs,” Dr Cashmore said. “I’d feel warm and content for a few microseconds, then I’d be asking new questions. Why does it affect different particles in different ways? “It would be spectacularly good to find it — I’m not trying to knock it — but it will pose a whole new set of problems. If we are an inquisitive society, these are the things we ought to be doing."


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: blackholes; crevolist; higgsboson; stringtheory
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To: jwalsh07
If you mean, were they firmly in place in the universe? then yes, if the laws of physics indeed match physical reality, then yes, they have been in place, and will continue to be so until the end of this universe.

161 posted on 06/09/2003 6:32:34 PM PDT by Aric2000 (If the history of science shows us anything, it is that we get nowhere by labeling our ignorance god)
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To: Moonman62
Above you seem to be saying that there is still some sensitivity to initial values even with inflation. Is that correct?

No, the point is that Inflation pulls the density to the critical value, so that by the time the Inflationary epoch is over, the density is pegged to it.

Part of your confusion is caused by my sloppy wording, "close to the Big Bang". The end of the Inflationary epoch is much closer to the Big Bang than the energy explored by the LHC. The energy density at the time of inflation is comparable to the grand unification scale, way up there.

162 posted on 06/09/2003 6:36:30 PM PDT by Physicist
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To: longshadow
Well done! I couldn't have said it better myself.
163 posted on 06/09/2003 6:38:29 PM PDT by Physicist
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To: Physicist
Darn, I thought you were talking about my 148...
164 posted on 06/09/2003 6:40:31 PM PDT by Aric2000 (If the history of science shows us anything, it is that we get nowhere by labeling our ignorance god)
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To: Aric2000
Whoops 149, sorry...
165 posted on 06/09/2003 6:41:10 PM PDT by Aric2000 (If the history of science shows us anything, it is that we get nowhere by labeling our ignorance god)
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To: Aric2000
LOL, no they appeared as we made them up...

Apparently so.

How about this one. Has dark matter been obeserved in our galaxy?

166 posted on 06/09/2003 6:42:05 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07; Physicist
Don't ask me, ask physicist, but I believe the answer is no, but in order for the conservation of energy law to apply, it must exist.

Is that correct physicist?
167 posted on 06/09/2003 6:44:38 PM PDT by Aric2000 (If the history of science shows us anything, it is that we get nowhere by labeling our ignorance god)
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To: Physicist
Well done! I couldn't have said it better myself.

[Blush] You're too kind... [blush....}

I did leave the details of demonstrating that gravitational fields have negative energy, and elucidating the space-filling with matter machanism, to you.

Oh, yes, you can also explain what drives the Inflationary expansion (all that unstable false vacuum stuff and the repelling effect that occurs....)

168 posted on 06/09/2003 6:45:45 PM PDT by longshadow
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To: Aric2000
Eyes boggling, brain exploding placemarker.

If PH can manage to read Guth's book on Inflationary Cosmology without his head exploding, you handle the concepts, too.

;-)

169 posted on 06/09/2003 6:49:39 PM PDT by longshadow
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To: jwalsh07
Either that, or there are a whole lot more blackholes out there then we think, and they must be HUGE!!!
170 posted on 06/09/2003 6:49:41 PM PDT by Aric2000 (If the history of science shows us anything, it is that we get nowhere by labeling our ignorance god)
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To: longshadow
Thank you for that vote of confidence, I will wrap my head in duct tape and read it...;)
171 posted on 06/09/2003 6:50:59 PM PDT by Aric2000 (If the history of science shows us anything, it is that we get nowhere by labeling our ignorance god)
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To: VadeRetro
"Right Wing Prof is opus'ed and gone? ALS and conservababblerJen are still able to delete threads by wandering in, pooping in the punchbowl, and screaming in faces? This really bites bad!"

smart move
especially since HE and YOU got 2 threads deleted, and don't make me post the links to prove it.

where did he poop out his opus?
172 posted on 06/09/2003 6:51:43 PM PDT by ALS ("No, I'm NOT a Professor. But I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night!")
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To: Consort
Most people don't know any math above arithmetic.

Well, there you are. Most people weren't qualified to enter Plato's Academy, either. The arithmetic of those days was puny: they didn't have the zero. The zero was invented in India and adopted by the Arabs, and didn't reach Europe until 800 AD or so. But their math was pretty good even if not common.

173 posted on 06/09/2003 6:51:48 PM PDT by RightWhale (gazing at shadows)
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To: Aric2000
OK, how about this one. What percentage of dark matter occupies the universe compared to normal matter, proton and neutron stuff?
174 posted on 06/09/2003 6:56:40 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Consort; All
Does Godel's proof mean we cannot ever understand the universe?

It's a fairly safe bet that common formal logics presently contain no flaws. Amusingly enough, Aristotalian logic had two flaws in Aristotle's development of the forms of syllogism, up until they were caught around the turn of the last century.

I've been amused by the various informed takes on Godel's Proof we've seen here, but think no one's quite answered the original question comprehensively, as yet, in my opinion.

To show that Godel applies to the universe in general, as a complete cover, you have to, first of all, demonstrate that the universe cannot be described completely using continuous formal systems, such as Euclidean geometry, or calculus. Godel's proof applies to formal systems that are discrete, not continuous. As best anyone knows, continuous systems have complete cover: all true statements are provable--all false statements are disprovable.

I have my opinions about whether Godel's limitations apply to the universe, or not, but no one, to my knowledge, has submitted a proof either way, and I suspect no one ever will.

Second of all, you have to show that not understanding a thing, is the same as not being able to prove a thing. From use-cases, it would seem to be the case that we can understand many things pretty well, absent proof. Bear in mind that what Godel's proof demonstrates is that there can be true statements that are unprovable. If it's true, it could have meaning, and be understandable, whether you can prove it or not.

175 posted on 06/09/2003 6:57:09 PM PDT by donh (u)
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To: RightWhale
You make my case. And none of what you just posted supports your previous post, which stated:

"Math is something men have, it defines man."

176 posted on 06/09/2003 6:59:56 PM PDT by Consort
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To: ALS
especially since HE and YOU got 2 threads deleted, and don't make me post the links to prove it.

I'd like to see that.

177 posted on 06/09/2003 7:00:35 PM PDT by donh (u)
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To: donh
freepmail me then

I'm not gonna let these clowns get another one yanked
178 posted on 06/09/2003 7:02:31 PM PDT by ALS ("No, I'm NOT a Professor. But I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night!")
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To: longshadow; Physicist
Now, for the really cool part: whenever new space is created, it gets permeated by the existing gravitational fields, which means the negative energy associated with those fields is decreasing (meaning increasing negatively).

Doesn't gravity travel at the speed of light?

179 posted on 06/09/2003 7:07:20 PM PDT by AndrewC
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To: jwalsh07; Physicist
Prior to t=0 the Laws of Physics were already firmly in place?

We can only know the laws of physics that apply to our own Universe. Since our cosmological theories say that time came into existence along with the rest of Universe, the expression "prior to t=0" has no meaning, as there is no "before" before time existed, just as there is no place "south" of the south pole.

So in that sense, you've asked what is technically an ill-formed question; for which there is no answer because the question assumes facts contrary to the theories you are expecting to provide the answer.

If you are interested in pursuing the matter further, you should consult a genuine physicist, like "physicist."

180 posted on 06/09/2003 7:08:22 PM PDT by longshadow
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