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Psychiatric Association Debates Lifting Pedophilia Taboo
CNSNews.com ^ | 6/11/03 | Lawrence Morahan

Posted on 06/11/2003 2:18:54 AM PDT by kattracks

(CNSNews.com) - In a step critics charge could result in decriminalizing sexual contact between adults and children, the American Psychiatric Association (APA) recently sponsored a symposium in which participants discussed the removal of pedophilia from an upcoming edition of the psychiatric manual of mental disorders.

Psychiatrists attending an annual APA convention May 19 in San Francisco proposed removing several long-recognized categories of mental illness - including pedophilia, exhibitionism, fetishism, transvestism, voyeurism and sadomasochism - from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM).

Most of the mental illnesses being considered for removal are known as "paraphilias."

Psychiatrist Charles Moser of San Francisco's Institute for the Advanced Study of Human Sexuality and co-author Peggy Kleinplatz of the University of Ottawa presented conferees with a paper entitled "DSM-IV-TR and the Paraphilias: An Argument for Removal."

People whose sexual interests are atypical, culturally forbidden or religiously proscribed should not necessarily be labeled mentally ill, they argued.

Different societies stigmatize different sexual behaviors, and since the existing research could not distinguish people with paraphilias from so-called "normophilics," there is no reason to diagnose paraphilics as either a distinct group or psychologically unhealthy, Moser and Kleinplatz stated.

Participants also debated gender-identity disorder, a condition in which a person feels discomfort with his or her biological sex. Homosexual activists have long argued that gender identity disorder should not be assumed to be abnormal.

"The situation of the paraphilias at present parallels that of homosexuality in the early 1970s. Without the support or political astuteness of those who fought for the removal of homosexuality, the paraphilias continue to be listed in the DSM," Moser and Kleinplatz wrote.

A. Dean Byrd, vice president of the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality (NARTH) and a clinical professor of medicine at the University of Utah, condemned the debate. Taking the paraphilias out of the DSM without research would have negative consequences, he said.

"What this does, in essence, is it has a chilling effect on research," Byrd said. "That is, once you declassify it, there's no reason to continue studying it. What we know is that the paraphilias really impair interpersonal sexual behavior...and to suggest that it could be 'normalized' simply takes away from the science, but more importantly, has a chilling effect on research."

"Normalizing" pedophilia would have enormous implications, especially since civil laws closely follow the scientific community on social-moral matters, said Linda Ames Nicolosi, NARTH publications director.

"If pedophilia is deemed normal by psychiatrists, then how can it remain illegal?" Nicolosi asked. "It will be a tough fight to prove in the courts that it should still be against the law."

In previous articles, psychiatrists have argued that there is little or no proof that sex with adults is necessarily harmful to minors. Indeed, they have argued that many sexually molested children later look back on their experience as positive, Nicolosi said.

"And other psychiatrists have written, again in scientific journals, that if children can be forced to go to church, why should 'consent' be the defining moral issue when it comes to sex?" she said.

But whether pedophilia should be judged "normal and healthy" is as much a moral question as a scientific one, according to Nicolosi.

"The courts are so afraid of 'legislating someone's privately held religious beliefs' that if pedophilia is normalized, we will be hard put to defend the retention of laws against child molestation," Nicolosi noted.

In a fact sheet on pedophilia, the APA calls the behavior "criminal and immoral."

"An adult who engages in sexual activity with a child is performing a criminal and immoral act that never can be considered normal or socially acceptable behavior," the APA said.

However, the APA failed to address whether it considers a person with a pedophile orientation to have a mental disorder.

"That is the question that is being actively debated at this time within the APA, and that is the question they have not answered when they respond that such relationships are 'immoral and illegal,'" Nicolosi said.

Dr. Darrel A. Regier, director of research for the APA, said there were "no plans and there is no process set up that would lead to the removal of the paraphilias from their consideration as legitimate mental disorders."

Some years ago, the APA considered the question of whether a person who had such attractions but did not act on them should still be labeled with a disorder.

"We clarified in the DSM-IV-TR...that if a person acted on those urges, we considered it a disorder," Regier said.

Dr. Robert Spitzer, author of a study on change of sexual orientation that he presented at the 2001 APA convention, took part in the symposium in San Francisco in May.

Spitzer said the debate on removing gender identity disorder from the DSM was generated by people in the homosexual activist community "who are troubled by gender identity disorder in particular."

Spitzer added: "I happen to think that's a big mistake."

What Spitzer considered the most outrageous proposal, to get rid of the paraphilias, "doesn't have the same support that the gender-identity rethinking does." And he said he considers it unlikely that changes would be made regarding the paraphilias.

"Getting rid of the paraphilias, which would mean getting rid of pedophilia, that would not happen in a million years. I think there might be some compromise about gender-identity disorder," he said.

Dr. Frederick Berlin, founder of the Sexual Disorders Clinic at the Johns Hopkins Hospital, said people who are sexually attracted to children should learn not to feel ashamed of their condition.

"I have no problem accepting the fact that someone, through no fault of his own, is attracted to children. But certainly, such an individual has a responsibility...not to act on it," Berlin said.

"Many of these people need help in not acting on these very intense desires in the same way that a drug addict or alcoholic may need help. Again, we don't for the most part blame someone these days for their alcoholism; we don't see it simply as a moral weakness," he added.

"We do believe that these people have a disease or a disorder, but we also recognize that in having it that it impairs their function, that it causes them suffering that they need to turn for help," Berlin said.

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To: kattracks
Either there is a natural law or there isn't. In the latter case, everything is permissible. Everything. Most Americans are afraid to face this hard dichotomy; acceptance of it requires either reform or a descent into hell. The APA, however, is simply following the argument to its (il)logical conclusion.
61 posted on 06/11/2003 5:47:34 AM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: kattracks
"And other psychiatrists have written, again in scientific journals, that if children can be forced to go to church, why should 'consent' be the defining moral issue when it comes to sex?" she said.

Hmmmmmm, putting it in those terms...

BUGGER A BABY = CHURCH SUNDAY SCHOOL

How could anyone disagree?
62 posted on 06/11/2003 5:50:19 AM PDT by carlo3b (http://www.CookingWithCarlo.com)
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To: jazzlite
I was molested as a child by a stranger in our home.

Any tips for protecting my two girls? I never leave them alone with any male. And I have yet to let them go into a friend's house without being under a trustworthy mother's supervision.

63 posted on 06/11/2003 5:51:17 AM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: kattracks
Conditions of our descent:

a) Busting wide open
b) Carried in a hand-basket
c) Sliding down on a greased pole
d) All of the above
64 posted on 06/11/2003 5:56:46 AM PDT by AD from SpringBay
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To: TN4Liberty
I have always said that when Homosexuality is accepted as a normal part of culture then Pedophilia would be next.

The fact that they would even consider this is very sad!

65 posted on 06/11/2003 5:57:19 AM PDT by jgrubbs
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To: mongrel
Thesis: Legitimize pedophilia. Antithesis: That's too extreme. Synthesis: Okay than we'll just legitimize a little thing like gender identity confusion.

Good points, all.

Part of my problem with this sort of thing is, I am a scientist (a REAL scientist) and I find it hard to "legitimize" anything in psych., etc. as remotely "scientific". The way my mind works is, I automatically view all this hoopla as folks piddling around trying to validate their opinions (under duress of sociopolitical activism, no less). That's all this is-- a sociopolitical exercise. Nothing scientific, or even academic, about it.

Before I got all riled up about NAMBLA roaming the streets looking for whom it may devour, I reminded myself that the age-of-consent issue is one that will preclude the legalization of pedophilia, as far as the law is concerned. At least for a while. With these recent attempts by PP et al. to do away with parental consent requirements for medical procedures like teen abortions, e.g., one has to wonder, however. I am still recovering from last night's beans and Stoli but I think that for some reason, activists of all stripes are working to make children out to be autonomous in matters of sex and reproduction, two areas in which even the most mature of us have a hard time negotiating in life. Just something that has been knocking around in my head lately, trying to understand what I see as a trend...

66 posted on 06/11/2003 5:58:03 AM PDT by maxwell (Well I'm sure I'd feel much worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation...)
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To: mict42
Psychiatry is not a science, it's an agenda

Well Said!

67 posted on 06/11/2003 6:00:50 AM PDT by Fiddlstix (http://www.ourgangnet.net)
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To: kattracks
In previous articles, psychiatrists have argued that there is little or no proof that sex with adults is necessarily harmful to minors. Indeed, they have argued that many sexually molested children later look back on their experience as positive, Nicolosi said.

"And other psychiatrists have written, again in scientific journals, that if children can be forced to go to church, why should 'consent' be the defining moral issue when it comes to sex?" she said.

There are some very sick psychiatrists out there!

68 posted on 06/11/2003 6:00:54 AM PDT by jgrubbs
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To: LizardQueen
I really have trouble seeing this happening. Beyond the whole "disorder" issue, one of the big reasons that it's a crime is because children are considered to be incapable of informed consent.

I can see a big push by the pedophiles to get age of consent lowered nationwide. Currently, Canada has it at 14, and I can see it being pushed for in the US.

The main targets of gay pedophiles are young teens, rather than pre-adolescants. (The push for lowering consent still further will come later)

Consider the madness that has the US considering that a young person does not have the maturity to drink alcohol responsibly until 21, yet is mature enough to cast a vote for President at 18, and is mature enough to have sex which involves risk of pregnancy or a fatal disease at an even younger age

69 posted on 06/11/2003 6:06:44 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (Java/C++/Unix/Web Developer looking for next gig)
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To: kattracks
In previous articles, psychiatrists have argued that there is little or no proof that sex with adults is necessarily harmful to minors. Indeed, they have argued that many sexually molested children later look back on their experience as positive, Nicolosi said.

Of course many of these molested children are living fulfilled lives suffering from Same-sex Attraction Disorder in some facet of the homosexual lifestyle.

Remember that 'homosexuals' do not reproduce, they recruit.

70 posted on 06/11/2003 6:25:30 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: SauronOfMordor
That brings up an interesting point. Isn't pedophilia, strictly speaking (at least in hetero terms, leaving aside gays for a moment) an unhealthy (ie sick) sexual interest in pre-adolescent children? An interest in adolescent teens under the age of 18 is more socially unacceptable than it is a deviant desire - show me a healthy male who isn't at least somewhat sexually aroused by a healthy 15 year old girl.
71 posted on 06/11/2003 6:28:58 AM PDT by -YYZ-
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To: William Terrell
from the article:
Homosexual activists have long argued that gender identity disorder should not be assumed to be abnormal.

The problem (for them) is that GID is easily treatable and has a pretty good cure rate. If it's not a mental illness why can it be cured?

you->My nomination for the Most Conflicted Statement of the year. Wonder what the reaction of any of these Honorable Doctors would be if they barged in and found "Uncle" Ben diddling their little boy, or little girl?

Why, they'd join in of course. Sexual deviants are as sexual deviants do. (the truth of the matter is that they probably sponsored the activity as "Indeed, they have argued that many sexually molested children later look back on their experience as positive" and they didn't want their children to miss out.)

I agree with scientology in one and only one area. (most) Psychiatrists are not to be trusted. (I guess even a broken clock is right twice a day)

72 posted on 06/11/2003 6:31:34 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: jwalsh07
And other psychiatrists have written, again in scientific journals, that if children can be forced to go to church, why should 'consent' be the defining moral issue when it comes to sex?" she said.

I wonder what Linda Nicolosi's "disorder" is. Whatever it is, it is a threat to the public square.

73 posted on 06/11/2003 6:32:28 AM PDT by Torie
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To: kattracks
In 1973, the American Psychiatric Association removed homosexuality from its list of disorders.
74 posted on 06/11/2003 6:35:33 AM PDT by jgrubbs
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To: maxwell
"WTF? Those are some "learned journal articles" that I would like to see."

Well, sure. Often a molested child or teenager responds maladaptively to the trauma of molestation, building a structure of defenses that rests on the premise that he is "gay" and this is a good thing to be. He *has* to maintain that the molestation was a positive experience, or the whole house of cards comes tumbling down.

If he ever realized that his so-called "sexual orientation" wsa nothing more than a maladaptive response to a terrible trauma, what would he be? Just somebody who had something terrible done to him and let it lead him into disordered sexual behavior.

As long as he can keep his defenses in place, he's a member of a "community," of a self-anointed elite, a morally superior soldier in the front lines of the war against repression and bigotry--I mean, "everybody knows" that "gays" are more sensitive, artistic, creative, intelligent, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

Who would want to give all that up just to be a poor schmuck who suffers from same-sex attraction disorder because he was molested?

It's not surprising that many whose entire self-image centers on their homosexual behavior would in memory recast the molestation that precipitated their disorder as an "awakening," a "learning experience," as the first time they "knew what they were" and knew there were others "like them."

Nor, sadly, is it surprising that many of the nutbars who make up the APA would buy into that crap.

But "scientific journals?" Yeah, like Hustler Magazine is a religious tract.
75 posted on 06/11/2003 6:41:40 AM PDT by dsc ("Holistic" is only part of a word.)
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To: kattracks; .45MAN; AKA Elena; al_c; american colleen; Angelus Errare; Antoninus; aposiopetic; ...
How much longer, Oh Lord?!?
76 posted on 06/11/2003 6:54:02 AM PDT by Polycarp (Free Republic: Where Apatheism meets "Conservatism.")
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To: Torie
And other psychiatrists have written, again in scientific journals, that if children can be forced to go to church, why should 'consent' be the defining moral issue when it comes to sex?" she said.

I wonder what Linda Nicolosi's "disorder" is. Whatever it is, it is a threat to the public square.

This article reads like Nicolosi supports removing these "mental illnesses", but she also authored "A Parent's Guide to Preventing Homosexuality" I would think she would be against this. Here is a Web site with more information about her and links to the National Association of Research and Therapy of Homosexuality website

http://www.gospelcom.net/cgi-ivpress/author.pl/author_id=1313

77 posted on 06/11/2003 7:01:31 AM PDT by jgrubbs
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To: gcraig
"And other psychiatrists have written, again in scientific journals, that if children can be forced to go to church, why should 'consent' be the defining moral issue when it comes to sex?" she said."

Ummm...because listening to religious speech is in no way comparable to having sexual acts perpetrated on one's body?

Is she really that stupid? Or does she just think her audience is that stupid?

She needs to try a simple thought experiment. Offer her the choice of somebody unattractive forcing her to perform sexual acts she doesn't like, or of listening to some religious speech for an hour.

That one is really a no-brainer.
78 posted on 06/11/2003 7:04:01 AM PDT by dsc ("Holistic" is only part of a word.)
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To: maxwell
"I reminded myself that the age-of-consent issue is one that will preclude the legalization of pedophilia, as far as the law is concerned. At least for a while."

But for how long? England, I'm sure you know, just lowered the age of consent for buggering a boy from 18 to 16.
79 posted on 06/11/2003 7:07:42 AM PDT by dsc ("Holistic" is only part of a word.)
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To: -YYZ-
show me a healthy male who isn't at least somewhat sexually aroused by a healthy 15 year old girl.

This is why I supervise the activities of my almost-15-year-old daughter

80 posted on 06/11/2003 7:13:05 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (Java/C++/Unix/Web Developer looking for next gig)
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