Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Psychiatric Association Debates Lifting Pedophilia Taboo
CNSNews.com ^ | 6/11/03 | Lawrence Morahan

Posted on 06/11/2003 2:18:54 AM PDT by kattracks

click here to read article


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-100101-150151-200 ... 251-276 next last

1 posted on 06/11/2003 2:18:55 AM PDT by kattracks
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: kattracks
The lunatics do indeed run the asylum.
2 posted on 06/11/2003 2:27:26 AM PDT by Smile-n-Win (The EU will break up any day, but the USA is here to stay!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: kattracks
In other words if you don't like the fact that you are mentally ill you can protest the APA (homosexuality 1973) and have it taken off.

That doesn't mean that they are not mentally ill. Homosexuals are still mentally ill.
3 posted on 06/11/2003 2:28:08 AM PDT by kuma
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Smile-n-Win
Kiddie Perverts are the next great civil rights cause.
4 posted on 06/11/2003 2:29:24 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: goldstategop
Not going to happen...no way,no how~!!
5 posted on 06/11/2003 2:31:27 AM PDT by MEG33
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: goldstategop
Then those oppressed Psychopathic-Homicidal Americans will be next.

"Hey, I like to have sex with fresh human corpses, don't tread on me motha!"
6 posted on 06/11/2003 2:34:02 AM PDT by Skywalk
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: kattracks
Isn't this argument exactly what Rick Santorum anticipated?
7 posted on 06/11/2003 2:41:15 AM PDT by TN4Liberty
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: kattracks
Chickenhawks need love too. Then killing.
8 posted on 06/11/2003 2:41:40 AM PDT by SevenDaysInMay
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: kattracks
Again, we don't for the most part blame someone these days for their alcoholism; we don't see it simply as a moral weakness," he added.

"We do believe that these people have a disease or a disorder, but we also recognize that in having it that it impairs their function, that it causes them suffering that they need to turn for help," Berlin said.

This guy is still a do-gooder, but at least he recognizes the fact that "doing good" does not necessarily have to entail helping bad people violate others' rights.

9 posted on 06/11/2003 2:48:09 AM PDT by Smile-n-Win (The EU will break up any day, but the USA is here to stay!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Smile-n-Win
Liberals don't believe in objective standards of right and wrong. I mean if adultery and perjury is ok... why not embrace pederasty? Indeed its not like they have a basis to argue against not sanctioning it other than a vague feeling the time's not right yet for it to gain public acceptance.
10 posted on 06/11/2003 2:51:21 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: kattracks
Does this come as a great surprise to anyone? As soon as we started seeing NAMBLA being defended as a legitimate organization, the handwriting was on the wall. What's next, proclaiming that children really have no rights because they are net yet deemed to be persons before the age of consent? We'd better beware the fate of Sodom.

" It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones." (Luke 17:2)

"Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven." (Matthew 18:10)

11 posted on 06/11/2003 2:59:34 AM PDT by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: kattracks
"Psychiatrists attending an annual APA convention May 19 in San Francisco proposed removing several long-recognized categories of mental illness - including pedophilia, exhibitionism, fetishism, transvestism, voyeurism and sadomasochism - from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM)."

And the trend continues to make all those exhibiting abhorrent mental disorders as normal.

The quality of life slides deeper into the mire.

Common cents? [sense] Why it's a penny, of course.

12 posted on 06/11/2003 3:16:05 AM PDT by G.Mason (Lessons of life need not be fatal)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: kattracks
Psychiatry is not a science, it's an agenda
13 posted on 06/11/2003 3:20:29 AM PDT by mict42
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: G.Mason
>>And the trend continues to make all those exhibiting abhorrent mental disorders as normal.

Worse, if you question it, you're immediately labelled as a Neanderthal Nazi. Try it sometime.
14 posted on 06/11/2003 3:43:52 AM PDT by FreedomPoster
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: kattracks
Psychiatrists attending an annual APA convention May 19 in San Francisco

Wonder how they picked that city.

15 posted on 06/11/2003 3:46:40 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: HiTech RedNeck
San Faggotsco? Somehow it seems a fitting place for the APA to lift the stigma from various categories of mental deviancy.
16 posted on 06/11/2003 3:47:59 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: SevenDaysInMay
You know, you put bluntly exactly what happens. People become desensitized to what is and then the aberration is racheted up a knotch to allow the acceptance of a further crime and pedophilia is a crime against children. This disorder has an aggressor and a victim so it is not a mutually agreed to activity. Perhaps the psychiatric association counts among it's members a number of persons who practice or would like to practice pedophilia. Any normal person who has and loves helpless little children could never accept this crime against them. I am a trained RN..I was molested as a child by a stranger in our home..He was certainly not mentally ill..He was a respected member of the community and a talented, skilled professional person. I told my Mother and she saw to it that he was booted out never to return..He dropped dead at the age of 52 but God only knows how many children he molested who did not having loving mothers to turn to. During my clinical psychiatric nurses training, I saw hospitalized children who had suffered molestation and it was HEART BREAKING. This Association is not anything if not EVIL. I get more and more upset as I think about this. Our freedoms absolutely must draw a line somewhere. We are NOTHING in this nation if we do not protect our children!!
17 posted on 06/11/2003 3:56:52 AM PDT by jazzlite
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: kattracks
"And other psychiatrists have written, again in scientific journals, that if children can be forced to go to church, why should 'consent' be the defining moral issue when it comes to sex?" she said.

Satan is at work in these people. This is outrageous.

18 posted on 06/11/2003 4:08:25 AM PDT by gcraig
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: kattracks
Every last one of these f***ing nutcases should be locked in a crazy ward.
19 posted on 06/11/2003 4:09:39 AM PDT by Lazamataz (POLICE TAGLINE DO NOT CROSS POLICE TAGLINE DO NOT CROSS POLICE TAGLINE DO NOT CROSS POLICE TAGLINE D)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: gcraig
"And other psychiatrists have written, again in scientific journals, that if children can be forced to go to church, why should 'consent' be the defining moral issue when it comes to sex?" she said.

I missed this line. I don't believe in Satan per se, but evil is widely-spread and ingrained in our society.

20 posted on 06/11/2003 4:11:04 AM PDT by Lazamataz (POLICE TAGLINE DO NOT CROSS POLICE TAGLINE DO NOT CROSS POLICE TAGLINE DO NOT CROSS POLICE TAGLINE D)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: kattracks
yes, Let's change the definitions of "normal" behavior. Then we can all be part of a "if it feels good do it society"! The truly sick people are in charge in the mental ward!!!!
21 posted on 06/11/2003 4:16:30 AM PDT by D. Miles
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: kattracks
Someone can't understand whether they're a boy or a girl, and that's NOT abnormal?
22 posted on 06/11/2003 4:20:04 AM PDT by jimt
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: kattracks
While obviously "normalizing" pedophilia is crazy (no pun intended), would removing it from the DSM-IV actually help court cases against pedophiles? It would still be illegal, and this could remove the mental-illness defense.

Burgulary is illegal and socially condemned. but a taste for it is not listed as a mental illness and can't be used for defense (though they certainly try a bunch of other avenues).

Just a thought,
LQ
23 posted on 06/11/2003 4:20:53 AM PDT by LizardQueen
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Lazamataz
Every last one of these f***ing nutcases should be locked in a crazy ward.

The "crazy ward" already exists. It's called "progressive, post-modern America" and it was built by feel-good liberals with the implicit support of the "ain't nobody's business if ya do" libertarians.

24 posted on 06/11/2003 4:21:18 AM PDT by Kevin Curry
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: jazzlite; All
I think we're over-reacting. Nothing in the article even suggests that the APA is actually going to remove pedophilia from DSM-IV, and I bet that a poll of all APA members would show that the overwhelming majority (like 99%) are against the change. There is nothing wrong with debate, which often stimulates and focuses the mind and redefines the issues, and that's exactly what the APA was doing at this point in time.

That being said, removing pedophilia from DMS-IV might prove insignificant for several reasons. First, lots of behaviors are not specifically defined in the the DMS-IV, but that doesn't make the behavior any less deviant. Examples include homocide, rape, burglary, arson, assault, fraud, tax evasion, etc. Second, if pedophilia is not a mental illness under DSM-IV, then it is no longer subject to the insanity defense or similar defenses that try to excuse behavior on account of mental illness, and the perps will no longer get sentenced to mental health therapy because if pedophilia is not a mental disease, there is no sense wasting tax dollars on a mental cure. Just lock the sicko's up.

25 posted on 06/11/2003 4:21:41 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: jimt
I'm afraid... if you haven't watched TV lately, you wouldn't understand. I confess I don't understand either why people have hangups about what sex they are supposed to be.
26 posted on 06/11/2003 4:21:57 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: jazzlite
sounds scary at first, but reading the entire article, doesn't sound like anything will change. A bit alarmist.
27 posted on 06/11/2003 4:22:37 AM PDT by nuconvert
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: Labyrinthos
Nothing in the article even suggests that the APA is actually going to remove pedophilia from DSM-IV, and I bet that a poll of all APA members would show that the overwhelming majority (like 99%) are against the change.

If these people are not VERY careful they will see a repeat performance of the weasely skullduggery that took homophilia out of their book. I.e. a late night vote with almost nobody there except the activists.

28 posted on 06/11/2003 4:25:38 AM PDT by drlevy88
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: LizardQueen
It would still be illegal, and this could remove the mental-illness defense.

Mental illness has NEVER been a defense to a charge of child molestation. On the contrary, the peculiar nature of the mental sickness of pedophilia (e.g, as evidenced by the extremely high recidivism rate) has always been used to ENHANCE punishment because long confinement has been considered the only practical way to keep the sickos away from children.

29 posted on 06/11/2003 4:26:47 AM PDT by Kevin Curry
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: Labyrinthos
Second, if pedophilia is not a mental illness under DSM-IV, then it is no longer subject to the insanity defense or similar defenses that try to excuse behavior on account of mental illness, and the perps will no longer get sentenced to mental health therapy because if pedophilia is not a mental disease, there is no sense wasting tax dollars on a mental cure. Just lock the sicko's up.

Wrong. See post #29.

30 posted on 06/11/2003 4:28:47 AM PDT by Kevin Curry
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: kattracks
Homosexual activists have long argued that gender identity disorder should not be assumed to be abnormal.

My nomination for the Most Conflicted Statement of the year. Wonder what the reaction of any of these Honorable Doctors would be if they barged in and found "Uncle" Ben diddling their little boy, or little girl?

31 posted on 06/11/2003 4:30:45 AM PDT by William Terrell (People can exist without government but government can't exist without people)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Smile-n-Win
And other psychiatrists have written, again in scientific journals, that if children can be forced to go to church, why should 'consent' be the defining moral issue when it comes to sex?" she said. this is the defining quote... it is not just the lunatics but rather the spawn of Hell running the ABA and the debate.
32 posted on 06/11/2003 4:32:25 AM PDT by epluribus_2
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: William Terrell
Gender identity disorder and pedophilia are 2 different things - the gender thing is when a man feels like he's a woman trapped in a mans body or vice versa.

LQ
33 posted on 06/11/2003 4:32:57 AM PDT by LizardQueen
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: Kevin Curry
It's called "progressive, post-modern America" and it was built by feel-good with the implicit support of the "ain't nobody's business if ya do" libertarians.

Near as I could tell this thread didn't have anything to do with libertarians until you brought them up. I gotta ask, was your mother frightened by a libertarian while you were in the womb? You are like the creationists trying to change every thread they can into an argument in favor of creationism (which btw is either the the third or fourth biggest pile of horse hocky known to modern society)

On one hand you libertarian bashers say that libertarians will never be able to do anything because of their numbers ie there are so few of them, and on the other you blame all of the ills of society on them. Which is it?

34 posted on 06/11/2003 4:33:38 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your enemy, and Bush is no conservative)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: epluribus_2
it takes a village to steal the souls of your children.
35 posted on 06/11/2003 4:33:40 AM PDT by epluribus_2
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: Kevin Curry
long confinement has been considered the only practical way to keep the sickos away from children.

Its the only way next to a bullet, gurney or gallows.....

36 posted on 06/11/2003 4:34:18 AM PDT by cardinal4 (The Senate Armed Services Comm; the Chinese pipeline into US secrets)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: RJayneJ
"it takes a village to steal the souls of your children."

I nominate this for quote-of-the-day
37 posted on 06/11/2003 4:35:03 AM PDT by drlevy88
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies]

To: LizardQueen
Again, if pedophilia is no longer considered by the medical community to be a mental disorder, it will be harder to keep the sickos locked up for long periods of time. Do you think that is a good idea?
38 posted on 06/11/2003 4:35:40 AM PDT by Kevin Curry
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies]

To: from occupied ga
Libertarians are DIRECTLY complicit in the moral destruction of this nation. They are, to paraphrase Edmund Burke, good men who see evil and do nothing.

If the shoe pinches, wince.

39 posted on 06/11/2003 4:37:56 AM PDT by Kevin Curry
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: kattracks
An alternative title for this article could be, "Psychiatric Association Vastly Overrates Its Importance in Determining Criminal Behavior" Like anyone other them them thinks that they define normalcy.
40 posted on 06/11/2003 4:37:59 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your enemy, and Bush is no conservative)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: MEG33; goldstategop
Not going to happen...no way,no how~!!

It is coming, just like they say it is. The APA will remove it as a disorder, and then it will cease to be a criminal act. Perhaps not in our lifetime, but in our children's lifetime.

The fearful thing about this whole thing is that, once the common man has lost all reason to have faith in the establishment, such as trusting that laws are just, what will prevent him from resorting to "homemade" solutions to his problems? If he cannot look to the laws of our states to save his children from predators, he must resort to his own forms of justice to keep them safe.

41 posted on 06/11/2003 4:39:51 AM PDT by Under the Radar
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: Kevin Curry
Libertarians are DIRECTLY complicit in the moral destruction of this nation. They are, to paraphrase Edmund Burke, good men who see evil and do nothing.

Which is it? Are there too few to matter or are they driving the nation to moral decay with their evil philosophy of "live and let live?"

42 posted on 06/11/2003 4:41:32 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your enemy, and Bush is no conservative)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 39 | View Replies]

To: Kevin Curry
I don't care what gets them locked up, personally, as long as its for as long as possible. I wasn't advocating removal of it from the psych book, by the way - just speculating on possible benefit.

If there's one thing that really galls me it's the constant use of the insanity defense for everything from jaywalking to murder. Sometimes people are just BAD, not "ill".

But if a mental tag is what's needed to keep them locked up longer than so be it.

LQ
43 posted on 06/11/2003 4:42:01 AM PDT by LizardQueen
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies]

To: Under the Radar
I know sex with a child is not going to be legal in my lifetime.
44 posted on 06/11/2003 4:43:09 AM PDT by MEG33
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 41 | View Replies]

To: Kevin Curry
Mental illness has NEVER been a defense to a charge of child molestation. On the contrary, the peculiar nature of the mental sickness of pedophilia (e.g, as evidenced by the extremely high recidivism rate) has always been used to ENHANCE punishment because long confinement has been considered the only practical way to keep the sickos away from children.

I wish what you were saying is true, but unfortunately, it is not, at least from my experience as an attorney for a not-for-profit agency that contracts with the local court system and probation department to provide post-conviction mental health evaluation and therapy to pedophiles and other sexual deviants. From my first hand observations, the insanity defense is sometimes used, but rarely successful. Nevertheless, the use of the defense wastes prosecutorial resourses and the threat of the defense becomes a factor when plea bargaining some cases. In addition, despite the extremely high recidivism rate, "first-time offenders" (meaning no prior convictions) are often sentenced to probabtion or short jail sentences upon the condition that they stay away from children and attend group and individual mental health therapy provided by agencies such as the one that I represent.

45 posted on 06/11/2003 4:46:23 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: Under the Radar
It is coming, just like they say it is. The APA will remove it as a disorder, and then it will cease to be a criminal act. Perhaps not in our lifetime, but in our children's lifetime.

I really have trouble seeing this happening. Beyond the whole "disorder" issue, one of the big reasons that it's a crime is because children are considered to be incapable of informed consent.

To legalize this vile behavior they'd have to pretty much revoke the entire concept of childhood and the concept that kids under a certain age do not have the necessary judgement and experience to make major life decisions. Kids declared able to give "informed consent" to sexual behavior with adults would also have to be allowed to vote, marry, serve in the military, etc.

There will always be a small subset of nutjob shrinks that try to argue this, but hopefully common sense will prevail.

LQ

46 posted on 06/11/2003 4:49:05 AM PDT by LizardQueen
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 41 | View Replies]

To: SevenDaysInMay
Chickenhawks need love too. Then killing.

You're just being intolerant. Diversity is our strength.

< /Mega mega sarcasm>

47 posted on 06/11/2003 4:49:21 AM PDT by Freebird Forever
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: kattracks
"And other psychiatrists have written, again in scientific journals, that if children can be forced to go to church, why should 'consent' be the defining moral issue when it comes to sex?" she said.

OMG.

"And other psychiatrists have written, again in scientific journals, that if children can be forced to go to school, why should 'consent' be the defining moral issue when it comes to sex?" she said.

"And other psychiatrists have written, again in scientific journals, that if children can be forced to take a bath, why should 'consent' be the defining moral issue when it comes to sex?" she said.

"And other psychiatrists have written, again in scientific journals, that if children can be forced to clean their rooms, why should 'consent' be the defining moral issue when it comes to sex?" she said.

Those "other psychiatrists" need to be taken out back and whipped until they lose the moral relativism. And the religious bigotry, while we're at it.

48 posted on 06/11/2003 5:06:24 AM PDT by hellinahandcart
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Smile-n-Win
They laughed at scoffed at the idea when people claimed that normalizing taboos such as homosexuality and 3-way sex would lead to people claiming that pedophilia was just a lifestyle choice.

49 posted on 06/11/2003 5:09:19 AM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (Tip the Pizza guy!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: kattracks
a condition in which a person feels discomfort with his or her biological sex... Homosexual activists have long argued that gender identity disorder should not be assumed to be abnormal.

Huh... Well when I feel discomfort about something, when I am physically troubled by something, like that Stoli and cheap bean burritos I had last night, I think you could pretty safely classify that as a disorder. Of the intestines in my case. Disorder, nonetheless.

psychiatrists have argued that there is little or no proof that sex with adults is necessarily harmful to minors. Indeed, they have argued that many sexually molested children later look back on their experience as positive

WTF? Those are some "learned journal articles" that I would like to see.

other psychiatrists have written, again in scientific journals

Ooooooo... I'm all IMPRESSED.

Any yahoo can write up anything s/he wants in a "scientific" journal. And: some journals are more scientific than others.

50 posted on 06/11/2003 5:18:25 AM PDT by maxwell (Well I'm sure I'd feel much worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-100101-150151-200 ... 251-276 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson