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O.J. Forensics Expert Consulted in Peterson Case
Fox News ^ | Monday, June 09, 2003 | Fox News

Posted on 06/11/2003 5:28:55 AM PDT by runningbear

O.J. Forensics Expert Consulted in Peterson Case

Monday, June 09, 2003

MODESTO, Calif. — Yet another high-profile expert has been consulted in the Scott Peterson (search) murder case -- this one the forensic specialist who was involved in the O.J. Simpson trial, Fox News has learned.

Dr. Henry Lee confirmed to Fox News that both the defense and the prosecution in the Peterson case have contacted him, but whether he'll be testifying at the upcoming preliminary hearing -- or at the trial -- isn't known.

If Lee does testify or provide guidance, he told Fox News he'll, "look at the evidence and let the chips fall."

Lee is the second of the O.J. cast of characters to surface in the Peterson case. The other is Gloria Allred (search), who is the attorney for Peterson's extramarital former girlfriend, Amber Frey (search), and has served as counsel for the family of Nicole Brown Simpson in the past.

The two highly publicized murder cases have been compared with some frequency in the media. Both involve California husbands accused of killing their wives, both managed to attract a list of celebrity attorneys and experts and both garnered heavy media attention.

In the Simpson criminal trial, the former pro-football player was found innocent of the murders of his wife, Nicole, and her friend, Ronald Goldman -- but a civil jury found him liable for the killings.

In other Peterson case developments, his distraught former girlfriend met with prosecutors over the weekend about her potential testimony in the preliminary hearing.

A source close to Frey told Fox News that she and Allred met with prosecutors in Modesto, Calif., Saturday to discuss the possibility that Frey would take the stand in the hearing, set for July, to discuss wiretapped conversations she had with Peterson.

The judge in the criminal case has been considering a gag order to prevent more leaks from the defense and prosecution -- and could make his decision as early as Monday.

Allred said a gag would hurt her client and scare others away from coming forward with information.

"A gag order against Ms. Frey would render her helpless in the face of a continued onslaught of rumor and innuendo," Allred said.

Superior Court Judge Al Girolami has thus far declined to issue a gag order on lawyers, but hasn't ruled out the possibility.

The source also said Frey, a 28-year-old single mother and massage therapist, was very upset about the possible upcoming release of nude photographs of her. Hustler publisher Larry Flynt (search) is currently in hot pursuit of nude photos of Frey, which she says are unauthorized for publication.

The source told Fox News that Frey, who has said she didn't know Peterson was married when she dated him, is still feeling overwhelmed by all that's happened.

Meanwhile, Fox News has learned of a leak in the case involving a theory that Peterson might have drugged his wife. Peterson was apparently surfing the Web for the so-called date-rape drug GHB in the weeks before Laci was killed.

Peterson, 30, has pleaded not guilty to two counts of murder for allegedly killing his wife and their unborn son. Laci, 27, was eight-months pregnant when she disappeared from the couple's Modesto home on Christmas Eve.

Her body and that of the baby washed up in April on the shores of San Francisco Bay, where Peterson said he was fishing the day of her disappearance.

On Friday, in a rare show of emotion, Peterson dabbed his eyes as a judge decided not to release the autopsy reports for Laci and the couple's unborn son, Conner. Peterson has been criticized for his lack of emotion since Laci vanished.

Prosecutors had asked last week that the autopsy results be unsealed after the defense leaked select portions of the document including details about the condition of Conner's body, which was found with a gash in the shoulder and tape around the neck.

Analysts said the autopsy results could be used to bolster a defense argument that Laci was kidnapped by a satanic cult. But some forensic pathologists believe the damage likely occurred naturally, in the four months that the body was underwater.

Earlier Friday, Girolami ruled that wiretaps of Peterson's phone conversations should be released to his lawyers. The prosecution will also receive copies of the tapes, except for accidentally recorded conversations between Peterson and his lawyers.

Girolami set a June 26 date to rule on defense motions regarding the wiretaps.

Peterson's lawyers want the judge to toss out the results of two wiretaps that monitored thousands of his calls after his wife's disappearance.

During the court-approved wiretaps, the first of which began two weeks after Laci vanished, police logged 3,858 phone calls made to Scott, according to court papers.

A judge approved the wiretap of Scott's phone Jan. 10 after prosecutors showed there was probable cause to believe a crime was committed. They discontinued the surveillance Feb. 4 after it no longer produced results.

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Experts: No Proof of Satanic Cults

Tuesday, June 10, 2003

By C. Spencer Beggs

The Laci Peterson (search) case has all the makings of a made-for-TV movie: murder, sex, infidelity and most incredibly, an alleged satanic cult.

Scott Peterson's (search) defense attorney, Mark Geragos (search), has suggested that a satanic cult abducted and killed Laci, citing reports of a mysterious brown van seen outside the Petersons' Modesto, Calif., home around the time the 8-months-pregnant woman vanished.

They also say that a noose-like wrapping of tape around her unborn son's neck when it washed ashore may have been the work of such a cult.

But experts on ritual abuse, abduction and satanism say that satanic cult slayings are more myth than murder.

“I don’t think there’s any compelling evidence that satanic cults exist,” Bill Ellis, an associate professor of English and American Studies at Penn State University and past president of the International Society for Contemporary Legend Research, told Fox News.

This may come as a surprise to those who have heard about satanic cults from popular books and talk shows. But according to Ellis and other experts, organized satanic killings are nothing more than hysteria that surfaced in the late 1970s and early 1980s.

The so-called “satanic panic” began when mental health professionals started reporting cases of their patients recalling sexual abuse by parents or close family friends. About 17 percent of these patients recalled a ritualized type of abuse in occult settings.

In 1980, a psychological patient, Michelle Smith, and her psychiatrist as well as future husband, Dr. Lawrence Pazder, published a book, Michelle Remembers, purporting to be Smith’s account of surviving ritual abuse by satanists as a child. Michelle Remembers and books like it set off a wave of speculation about underground satanic organizations; tabloids, talk shows and respectable news organizations alike followed up on multiplying allegations of satanic cults abducting, abusing and murdering innocent people.

But experts say after all that hype, there was never any credible evidence that satanic cults existed at all.

A 1992 FBI report that investigated over 12,000 allegations of illegal activity by satanic groups in the U.S. concluded that there was no evidence of satanic cults operating in the country. Similar large-scale studies by Great Britain and the Netherlands came to the same conclusion.

Many of the “victims” of satanic abuse were, in fact, victims of unsafe psychological examination techniques that led to the development of False Memory Syndrome, a psychological disorder where patients develop memories that they believe to be of real events but are actually caused by suggestion from a therapist. Subsequent investigations into the majority of satanic abuse allegations found them to be hoaxes.

Jeffrey Victor, author of Satanic Panic: The Creation of a Contemporary Legend and a former professor of sociology at the State University of New York, says that the satanic hysteria was fueled by special interest groups that perpetuated the myth of satanic cults to advance their ideology or make money. These groups included fundamentalist Protestant sects, feminist organizations, seminar presenters for law enforcement, social workers, psychologists, shock journalists and talk shows, Victor says.

“There are no satanic cults as organizations, not even as minuscule groups,” Victor told Fox News.

Victor pointed out that there have been cases in which individuals have committed crimes and then claimed to be satanists after the fact. Most of these cases, however, involved severely disturbed individuals who knew little or nothing about satanism, he said. Even in cases in which the perpetrators really believed themselves to be satanists, the culprits did not belong to any sort of organization or belief system, and the methods they used to dispose of their victims did not fulfill any type of ritual.

Ellis said that the physical description of the bodies in the leaked parts of the Peterson autopsy don’t resemble any descriptions of satanic rituals of which he has ever heard.

“I think what the defense is saying is there’s some weird details in the autopsy report and there must be some weird circumstances that brought them about. It’s a fancy, dramatic way of saying, ‘We don’t know who’s responsible for this, so we’ll assume the worst.’”

But if there’s no reason to believe in satanic cults, why is the defense pushing the satanic cult theory?

Geragos might be using the satanic cult theory to elicit sympathy for Scott Peterson in the potential jury pool, said Fox News senior judicial analyst Judge Andrew P. Napolitano.

“His initial goal is to neutralize Scott in the public’s mentality, to give the public a reason to pause before judging him innocent or guilty,” Napolitano said.

He said this strategy could be beneficial for a defense that needs to “undemonize” Peterson in the eyes of the public, but he warned that it could backfire if Geragos doesn’t substantiate his claims with concrete evidence after the prosecution .................

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Peterson lawyers subpoena judge in wiretap dispute

Peterson lawyers subpoena judge in wiretap dispute

Tuesday, June 10, 2003 Posted: 2109 GMT ( 5:09 AM HKT)

MODESTO, California (CNN) -- Lawyers for Scott Peterson have subpoenaed the judge who approved a wiretap on Scott Peterson's telephone, arguing he violated rules governing a capital murder case, court officials said Tuesday.

Judge Wray Ledine allowed police to intercept Peterson's phone calls beginning in January and met with investigators for updates as they built a case. Defense attorney Kirk McAllister said that under California rules governing a death penalty case, Ledine should have had a court reporter present during those meetings, but did not.

Prosecutors argue the proceedings weren't a capital case until April, when the bodies of Peterson's missing wife, Laci, and their unborn son turned up on the shores of San Francisco Bay.

Scott Peterson faces two counts of murder in the deaths of Laci Peterson, 27, and their unborn child. He has pleaded not guilty to two counts of murder in the case; prosecutors have said they will seek the death penalty if he is convicted.

The victims' bodies were found about 80 miles from their home, near the marina where Scott Peterson said he had launched his boat on a fishing trip Christmas Eve, the day his wife disappeared.

Scott Peterson's lead attorney, Mark Geragos, has accused prosecutors of "grave" misconduct over how they handled the wiretaps. Peterson's lawyers said the monitoring of the phone calls violated attorney-client privilege.

Prosecutors said the wiretap intercepted 69 phone calls between Peterson and McAllister. But they said investigators monitored and recorded only short segments of two of the 69 calls, and did not collect information protected by attorney-client privilege.

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Larry King: CNN's dumbest hour

June 11, 2003

BY PHIL ROSENTHAL TELEVISION CRITIC

The mind boggles at what the many hard-working, serious-minded and often modestly compensated broadcast journalists who toil in earnest at CNN must make of the well-heeled, carefully coiffed caricature who prides himself on not being a newsman yet somehow remains the network's most identifiable personality.

They put their lives on the line in hot spots around the world, strive to put complex geopolitical issues into focus and sort out what's important from what is not in an effort to lure back some of the viewers their network's audience, all so at 8 each weeknight (with repeats at 11 p.m. and 2 a.m.) Larry King can singlehandedly sink the CNN claim that it takes real news more seriously than its rivals.

It's been said before. It's worth saying again. Nearly 20 years removed from the glory days of his once-fascinating overnight radio show, this guy does more harm than good to CNN--even as host of its top-rated show.

So at what point does CNN wise up and rein in "Larry King Live" to save itself?

More a courtier than an interviewer even under the best of circumstances, the oft-married King is at present squandering his prime-time hour on CNN by obsessing over a woman. A dead woman. Laci Peterson.

It can be argued that Peterson's disappearance and subsequent murder is noteworthy, but not to the extent "Larry King Live" would make you think it is. Going into his much-publicized chat Tuesday with author/ politician Hillary Clinton, who has nothing to do with Laci, five of King's previous eight shows had dwelled on the Peterson murder case.

Judging from "Larry King Live"--or "Laci Peterson Dead," as it's apt to be called--this is the second biggest story of the year, marginally trailing the war in Iraq. And by year's end, who knows? That little dustup with Saddam may pale by comparison.

Since April 18th, in fact, King has done 38 shows and the Peterson case has been a significant portion of 17 of them, a ridiculous figure that doesn't count the questions he asked guest Diane Sawyer on May 7th about her interview with Scott Peterson, Laci's husband and accused killer.

The Peterson murder was the focus of four King shows in January and six in February before things heated up in Iraq. No less than seven April shows dealt with the Peterson case, six in May and three to date in June.

So often is Peterson a topic that Nancy Grace, a Court TV analyst, is logging almost as much time playing Kukla to King's Fran Allison as she is on her own little-watched cable network. She's been the resident expert on the Peterson case, but she's also been a commentator for other cases as well.

"I'm not saying Martha is innocent," Grace told King last week, advising prosecutors on how to finish convicting Martha Stewart. "I'm saying you better evaluate your case before you go forward. Is anybody dead? No. Anybody dismembered? No. The jury's going to think, 'Why are we here?' "

Sounds like she's reciting a potential rationale for King poring over the remains of Laci and her unborn child each night.

Grace actually fills in for King tonight as guest host. She's scheduled to revisit the 2002 abduction of 7-year-old Danielle van Dam, but don't be surprised if the Peterson case is mentioned a few times. It wouldn't be "Live" if she wasn't.

Now you might want to write off King's bizarre concentration on Peterson as part of some ratings-driven network directive, except that his guests in the past month have included John Eisenhower (son of the former president), Carol Channing and her new husband, Rodney Dangerfield, Lynn Redgrave, Willard Scott, psychic Sylvia Browne, Robert Kennedy Jr., Bob Jones and the cast of "60 Minutes."

No ratings-driven network directive in this day and age of youth-obsessed demographics is going to push anyone to talk to those people. The only recent "Live" guests to qualify as real ratings draws are Dr. Phil McGraw or "American Idol" finalists Ruben Studdard and Clay Aiken.

To an outsider, it would make more sense to play off whatever is the big news of the day (the way news programs such as ABC's "Nightline," Fox News Channel's "The O'Reilly Factor," MSNBC's "Countdown With Keith Olbermann" and most others do). But this concept has become foreign to King and "Larry King Live."

June 2nd is a perfect example. President Bush had just left the G-8 Economic Summit, where he met with French leader Jacques Chirac for the first time since Chirac voiced opposition to military action in Iraq, and was headed to the Middle East to advance his roadmap for peace.CNN viewers looking to King and his guests to lend some perspective to these major events were in for a real treat.

King was schmoozing Larry Hagman, Bill Daily and Barbara Eden, the cast of the 1965-70 NBC sitcom "I Dream of Jeannie." An "EXCLUSIVE" label dominated a corner of the screen, as if to say "Nyah, nyah, nyah! We got an interview no one else wanted!"

At least it wasn't another hour dedicated to Laci Peterson........

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Defense presses judge on wiretaps

Defense presses judge on wiretaps

By JOHN COTÉ
BEE STAFF WRITER

Published: June 10, 2003, 06:32:21 AM PDT

One of Scott Peterson's attorneys said Monday that he has subpoenaed a Superior Court judge to get information about wiretaps used by investigators probing the disappearance of Laci Peterson.

The move comes after it was revealed Friday that no court reporter was present during meetings between Judge Wray Ladine, a prosecutor and an investigator about the wiretaps.

"I don't know how else you get that information other than doing it this way," defense attorney Kirk McAllister said.

District Attorney James Brazelton is seeking the death penalty against Peterson, 30, for allegedly killing his wife and unborn son, Conner.

The absence of a court reporter at the meetings also raises legal questions about the wiretaps, several defense attorneys not affiliated with the case said.

Senior deputy district attorneys Dave Harris and Rick Distaso, who are prosecuting Peterson, were involved in a previous death penalty case where the indictment was thrown out by an appeals court because no court reporter was present during a grand jury hearing.

They say this issue is different.

State law requires a court reporter to be present during all court proceedings in capital cases. Prosecutors contend the law applies only to proceedings that take place after a criminal complaint is filed or a grand jury is convened for an indictment. That hadn't occurred when the wiretap meetings took place.

McAllister said he issued the subpoena Monday and that it likely would be served today.

Defense attorneys also have asked to question Distaso and the lead wiretap investigator, Steve Jacobson.

Ladine, contacted by phone Monday night, said he was unaware of a subpoena and forbidden by judicial rules from commenting.

Peterson was arrested April 18. He has pleaded not guilty, and the defense has vowed to find the "real killers."

Lead defense attorney Mark Geragos is alleging that the Stanislaus County district attorney's office engaged in "grave prosecutorial misconduct" after authorities intercepted 71 calls between Peterson and McAllister or his investigator.

The defense might seek to have the district attorney's office removed from the case over the wiretap issue, according to documents they filed in court.

Prosecutors maintain that investigators listened to less than two minutes of total calls and that the wiretaps were consistent with state and federal law.

The wiretap meetings among the judge, prosecutor and investigator took place every three days during the first wiretap, which ran from Jan. 10 to Feb. 4, according to prosecution documents.

Ladine indicated at a Jan. 17 meeting that some of the techniques used in the wiretaps were "inappropriate" and "could cause problems," according to an affidavit filed by Jacobson.

"Judge Ladine was concerned about the district attorneys' office using a wiretap to obtain statements from a suspect who had counsel and had already expressed to police that he didn't wish to make any statements," Jacobson wrote.

At the meeting, Ladine instructed investigators to halt spot checks of calls between Peterson and his attorney.

State law allows for 30-second spot checks of privileged communications, but defense attorneys maintain that attorney-client calls are "totally privileged under the law."

Several defense attorneys said the absence of a court reporter raises serious legal questions about the wiretaps, while prosecutors maintain there was no impropriety.

California law requires that in any death penalty case "all proceedings conducted in the Superior Court, including all conferences and proceedings, whether in open court, in conference in the courtroom, or in chambers, shall be conducted on the record with a court reporter present."

The reason, according to a July 2002 decision from the Fifth District Court of Appeal in Fresno, is because "the death penalty is qualitatively different, even when compared to a life sentence."

The court threw out the indictment against Terry Dale Dustin of Gustine because Distaso had instructed the court reporter to leave during part of the grand jury proceeding. Distaso and Dave Harris also handled Dustin's grand jury indictment.

Prosecutors had initially sought the death penalty against Dustin for the 1999 stabbing death of Santiago Garcia of Gustine, who was killed in southwestern Stanislaus County. Dustin pleaded guilty last month to second-degree murder and first-degree burglary, court records show. He is scheduled to be sentenced later this month.

Martha Carlton, the deputy public defender who represented Dustin, said the appeals court ruling in Dustin applies to the wiretap conferences in the Peterson case.

"Once you do decide you're going to proceed criminally, anything.........

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To: Queen Jadis
Yes Queenie and Dr. Lee spoke rather specifically last night that he wanted to review the evidence BEFORE he made a decision!! And ALSO, ta da!! He actually spoke a couple of full sentences. LOL
81 posted on 06/11/2003 7:27:31 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks belong South)
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To: Howlin
You wouldn't find it in the mother nor her child, for the same reasons. It was an "interesting" leak, but nothing that could be used in court. However, because of the national coverage this case is getting, that particular leak could very easily color any potential jurors to the prosecution's side.

I don't suppose the Founding Fathers could have ever predicted the nature of television on a court case :-)

82 posted on 06/11/2003 7:40:25 PM PDT by realpatriot71 (legalize freedom!)
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To: Canadian Outrage
Alright, where are you all?? Conversations with myself are boring!! LOL I prefer talking with "the group"!!
83 posted on 06/11/2003 7:44:29 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks belong South)
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To: realpatriot71
patriot: One of the forensic pathologists said that there would be concentrations in the liver. However since Laci's liver was missing but the umbilical cord and part of the placenta was present, there could very definitely be traces in the baby's liver. GHB does cross the placenta and will( after death) deposit in the liver. The same with caffein which they were able to detect in Laci's system. I know from when my daughter was having her first son, the Dr. said, Marlise, keep your intake of caffein beverages and other sources to a bare minimum because caffein very readily passes through the placenta and concentrates in the baby.
84 posted on 06/11/2003 7:49:20 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks belong South)
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To: justshe; Canadian Outrage
"I just don't know enough about this field."

I don't either, but I have heard of lots of reports where they have dug up dead people years later to test for drugs.

There was a case not to long ago where a male nurse was sentenced for killing elderly people. Being elderly they just thought it was from natural causes. Eventually there was suspicion about the male nurse who was on duty whenever these elderly people died. They dug up the bodies and did forensic testing and found they had been injected with some lethal drug. If I recall correctly, the male nurse finally admitted he had been killing them.

I don't know if it depends on what kind of drug it is but evidently some drugs remain in your system for years if you are dead as per the above case.

85 posted on 06/11/2003 7:51:19 PM PDT by Spunky (This little tag just keeps following me where ever I go.)
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To: Spunky
I remember that case too Spunky. I think that male nurse was overdosing them with insulin (at least there was one such case where that was the drug) and then there was another one that was injecting them with lethal doses of a differnt drug (the name of same escapes me). He was tried adn convicted also.
86 posted on 06/11/2003 7:58:58 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks belong South)
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To: runningbear; Carolinamom; Howlin
Howlin said:"...I have a hard time remembering where I heard stuff."

Carolinamom said:" Same here. For example: Scott's trips to Mexico were not unusual (according to someone on TV Monday...sorry, cannnot for the life of me remember who) because of company business and the fact that his parents owned property there."

Carolinamom, there was a news article here on a thread that was telling all about Scott being in Mexico for some agriculture convention, shortly after Laci disappeared.

But I do not recall any article that ever mentioned that his parents owned property in Mexico.

I am pinging runningbear to see if she remembers ever reading about his parents owning property in Mexico.

87 posted on 06/11/2003 8:01:45 PM PDT by Spunky (This little tag just keeps following me where ever I go.)
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To: Spunky
Spunky you are quite correct. There was NO article stating the Peterson's owned property in Mexico. That fact was just revealed on Monday night of this week by Ted Rowlands from the ModBee that has been on the case from the beginning and was one of the Only Reporters he would talk with regularly, at least in the first month or so.
88 posted on 06/11/2003 8:16:31 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks belong South)
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To: Canadian Outrage
"That fact was just revealed on Monday night of this week by Ted Rowlands from the ModBee"

So has it since been in a ModBee article that I missed?

89 posted on 06/11/2003 8:48:39 PM PDT by Spunky (This little tag just keeps following me where ever I go.)
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To: Spunky
Hey maybe your right about it Not being an Article. In any event Ted Rowlands SAID that!!
90 posted on 06/11/2003 9:11:23 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks belong South)
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To: Canadian Outrage
Aha seems like Mr. Lee do dahmaj controw.
91 posted on 06/11/2003 9:36:14 PM PDT by Queen Jadis
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To: Canadian Outrage
Ted Rowlands whom I had respect for early in the case is now on the lower end of my esteem. Disappointing...but makes me appreciate Nancy Grace all the more.
92 posted on 06/11/2003 9:38:39 PM PDT by Queen Jadis
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To: Canadian Outrage
Well, I may have to stand corrected :-)
93 posted on 06/11/2003 10:13:42 PM PDT by realpatriot71 (legalize freedom!)
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To: Jackie-O
Thanks Jackie! Wrote ya back!
94 posted on 06/11/2003 10:58:16 PM PDT by Devil_Anse
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To: Queen Jadis
Good grief! Lee's "not getting paid", Geragos is "not getting paid", etc. They make it sound like we're watching the greatest humanitarians the world has ever known!

Something definitely NO RIGH with THAT! And IMO, anyone who believes these public people who are involved in this case are not counting big cash from somewhere, just fell off the turnip truck!
95 posted on 06/11/2003 11:01:23 PM PDT by Devil_Anse
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To: Mike Darancette
I don't see what physical evidence the State has as to cause of death and premeditation, either. But I live in hope that the State DOES have evidence (whether physical or not) of these things against SOMEONE, b/c I would hate to see the deaths of this mother and baby go unpunished!

Yes, unfortunately, I could see the State spending taxpayer money to hire an expert whom they might not use. The reason I say this is b/c I suspect that these high-profile experts make their swank livings playing a little game.

The way I see it, if an expert is hired by one side, that evidently creates a conflict for him as to working for the other side. Perhaps there is something in the contract he signs with the first side to hire him, that requires him to not do work for the opposing side. A "non-compete" clause for experts, if you will.

Now, if one side has someone well-known like Henry Lee to show off to the jury, the man's reputation alone makes him more likely to be listened to by the jury. Or, if they don't choose to bring him on as a witness, at least they know that the other side can't hire him to do work for them. By hiring him, they would have effectively taken him and his lab out of play as to being a useful weapon for their opponent. Still, though, seems the other side could subpoena the expert, though they would not have been directing the pre-trial work he performed.

Meanwhile, Henry Lee or whoever collects a handsome fee, whether he does any work or not. Nice.

BTW, if you want to keep a particular person out of the courtroom during your trial, one way to do that is to subpoena him or her. B/C once the person is under subpoena, he or she is subject to "the rule" (as it is called in some places.) At the beginning of the trial, one or both parties invoke the rule. The rule says that a witness is not allowed to come into court and hear the testimony of other witnesses, b/c hearing their testimony might taint his own testimony. (People will sometimes shade their testimony to match that of other witnesses.)

Thus, subpoenaing someone will keep him out of the courtroom during trial. This works, but with the exceptions that a victim is pretty much always allowed to sit in for the whole trial, regardless of whether or not he is under subpoena. And some judges do not subject the main police officer on a case to "the rule", so you probably couldn't keep him or her out, either. AND if the victim is dead, most judges will still let their very close family (i.e., parents) sit in regardless of whether the close family is under subpoena. And finally, of course the defendant has a right to be there for the whole trial regardless of whether he will be testifying or not.

Needless to say, even if subject to the rule, the witness WILL of course be in the courtroom for his own testimony!

If the State does engage Henry Lee or some other expert to do some sort of actual testing, etc., and if that testing tends to EXCULPATE the defendant, the State MUST disclose that evidence to the defense, or risk a reversal under a line of cases which originates with the Supreme Court case of Brady v. Maryland.

OTOH, if the defense hires Lee and has him do testing, if the testing comes out favorable to the State's case, I don't know of anything based on the U.S. Constitution which forces the defense to turn over such results to the State. But there may be discovery rules in CA that would force the defense to turn it over to the State.

So suppose the State gets several experts to do testing, and has them under contract. Suppose each of these experts finds only exculpatory evidence. The State would be required under Brady to turn over the exculpatory evidence to the defense. The State would obviously not want to put these experts on as its witnesses, though. The defense would then subpoena them, and try to make what it could of their exculpatory findings. But it seems to me that the defense would have to compensate these experts for the time they spent preparing to testify, and testifying, and that could get pretty steep.

All in all, it seems to turn into a real bonanza for the experts. Add in the money these people make for their TV appearances, and it starts to look like a very nice living.
96 posted on 06/11/2003 11:37:41 PM PDT by Devil_Anse
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To: Yaelle
WOW, Yaelle, you sound just like him!! ROFL!!!
97 posted on 06/11/2003 11:40:50 PM PDT by Devil_Anse
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To: bonfire
Stop it!! You guys are cracking me up!!! I keep looking around to see if Henry Lee is standing behind me!!
98 posted on 06/11/2003 11:41:53 PM PDT by Devil_Anse
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To: Canadian Outrage
where that browser has been

The computer's browser--or Scott himself?

99 posted on 06/11/2003 11:44:58 PM PDT by Devil_Anse (Oh, the images!)
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To: Spunky; Canadian Outrage
Ted Rowlands is not with the Modesto Bee. He's a reporter from KTVU in San Francisco/Oakland. I believe his "Mexico property" comment was on LKL.
100 posted on 06/11/2003 11:49:56 PM PDT by Diver Dave
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