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Hate Speech
The Valley Advocate ^ | june 5, 2003 | Alan Bisbort

Posted on 06/11/2003 2:08:37 PM PDT by ummark

Hate Speech Now is not the time for quiet, well-thought rhetoric

by Alan Bisbort - June 5, 2003

PETER MORLOCK ILLUSTRATION

Problem! The problem is you, Peggy Noonan.

"Let them hate me, if they only fear me."-- Caligula

"Love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you." -- Matthew, Chap. 5, Verses 44

In the best of times, I would agree with John Goggin, who wrote a letter to my editor last week about my habit of "labeling" a select cadre of right-wingers "hatemongers." I had in mind, when I chose that unfortunate epithet, people like Michael Savage, Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, Matt Drudge and Peggy Noonan. Mr. Goggin's well-meaning appeal to civility caused me to rethink my words. I was forced to ask myself if I had, indeed, overstated my case.

Then I did a little poking around. It's not hard. All you have to do is switch on any talk radio show and eventually one of these self-righteous "conservatives" will be found holding court, or simply flick through the hundreds of channels on cable TV where the more telegenic are regularly featured. Or those with a stronger cast of mind can check out the bestseller list where you'll find their words immortalized between covers, or comb the editorial pages of even "moderate" newspapers and you'll find them. Of course, the quickest way is via the Internet where, like insects and centipedes under an overturned rock, their rawest opinions are on display.

Here, for example, are some random thoughts I found on the popular Free Republic, "an online gathering place for independent, grass-roots conservatism on the web." Free Republic posted an article about legislation proposed for a Slave Memorial in Washington, D.C. Among the barrage of nasty comments were: "Paradoxically, it's why slavery was RIGHT, in some weird sense. It's a condition of our existence, and in particular, a condition of black Americans' existence." Another: "Hell, what would it look like, a body swinging from a rope!" This is just the tip of their daily iceberg.

Michael Savage is a clear-cut "hater," and his book Savage Nation has floated through the bestseller list for months, held aloft by his lighter-than-air nativism, ignorance and intolerance. Like Rush Limbaugh, Savage hides behind his pseudonymous persona (his real last name is Wiener), and his radio show is one of the most popular in the country right now. His shtick is to regularly refer to the world's poor nations as the "Turd World," and a typical retort to those who complain about his rhetoric is: "I'm more powerful than you are you little hateful nothings ... you represent nobody but the perverts that you hang around with and I'm warning you if you try to damage me any further with lies, be aware of something: that which you stoke shall come to burn you, the ashes of the fireplace will come and burn your own house down." He believes the U.S. is "being taken over by the freaks, the cripples, the perverts and the mental defectives."

Ann Coulter, Fairfield County's Own Femme Fatale, is a best-selling author and regular talking head on TV. She says:

"We need to execute people like John Walker in order to physically intimidate liberals, by making them realize that they can be killed too." And: "My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times Building."

Rush Limbaugh is always reliable for one hate-bomb an hour. How about these recent tidbits? "There's only one way to get rid of nuclear weapons. Use them." Or "Why should blacks be heard? They're 12 percent of the population. Who the hell cares?" And so on, day in and day out, three hours a day.

Finally, I agree that including Peggy Noonan on the list was wrong. She's not a hatemonger. She's merely insane. But her loopy pronouncements are given a veneer of respectability by originating at the Wall Street Journal. And, her nonsense -- she regularly "channels" Ronald Reagan in her columns -- is used to prop up hateful policies (e.g., slashing social programs for poor kids in order to reward fat cat CEOs). If the measure of a civilized society is how it treats its most vulnerable citizens, Noonan's priorities (among which is pulling the plug on public education) are the sort that inspired Charles Dickens to write novels.

See how hard it is to keep from falling into their traps and habits of mind? The sad truth is that NOBODY LISTENS TO PEOPLE WHO SPEAK QUIETLY AND RATIONALLY. The dominant discourse in this nation right now is hateful, loud and relentless. You can not, and will not, be heard if you whisper into the teeth of this idiot wind.

I dearly wish it were possible to speak quietly and carry a big rhetorical stick, Mr. Goggin. I hope we can return to such a time in our nation's life. Now is not that time.


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To: LiteKeeper
"SPOTREP "

OK i see this all over the place but have yet to figure out what it means. Someone enlighten me pleeease :)
61 posted on 06/11/2003 7:47:27 PM PDT by honeygrl (sigh... i want hubby back home now. business trips suck.)
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To: b-cubed; mhking
He always writes great letters.
62 posted on 06/11/2003 7:48:45 PM PDT by honeygrl (sigh... i want hubby back home now. business trips suck.)
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To: Fraulein
Oh, the irony! I was being ever so thoughtful. 'cuz see if you wish there never had been slavery, then you're wishing that America would be all white, or nearly so. See? It's a paradox. See?

Anyway, thanks for the tip, or the ping, or whatever.
63 posted on 06/11/2003 8:06:45 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: mhking
I wonder what they'd say if they figured out that the body on a rope quip came from a black man? ;)

They'd just brush you off as someone like Clarence Thomas or Condi Rice and think that's an insult. :o)

64 posted on 06/11/2003 8:34:29 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: honeygrl
I am a retired Army officer (artillery, MI, and chaplain). I have the privilege of teaching several classes in Colorado Springs to high school, college, and adults on comparative worldviews (biblical vs secular), as well as an inductive study of Genesis 1-11. As I read the various threads, some impress me as good for illustrating different worldviews. So, using some Army terminology, I mark "incidents" as "SPOTREPS" (spot report) and "descriptions of the current world scene" as "SITREPs" (situation reports). When I get home, I download these SPOTREPs and SITREPs to a database for future use.

Does that help?

65 posted on 06/11/2003 9:42:05 PM PDT by LiteKeeper
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To: LiteKeeper
Definitely helps! I see those posts a lot so my curiosity was getting out of control.
66 posted on 06/11/2003 9:53:13 PM PDT by honeygrl (sigh... i want hubby back home now. business trips suck.)
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To: ummark
And, her nonsense -- she regularly "channels" Ronald Reagan in her columns

All good speechwriters do, silly man. How else does one write good speeches in someone elses words?

67 posted on 06/12/2003 8:16:25 AM PDT by lepton
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To: mvpel; mhking
Hell, what would it look like, a body swinging from a rope!

Just damn!

I've been asked (via Project 21) to provide some commentary to Senator Bill Frist regarding the measure. It's been spearheaded by former Washington Redskin (and fellow black conservative) Darrell Green.

Gee, while I like the letter, I don't think mhkings letter will point it out any better than the original quote.

68 posted on 06/12/2003 8:27:24 AM PDT by lepton
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To: ummark
This guy compares Michael Savage to Peggy Noonan. I know Michael can get a bit carried away at times, but Noonan? He could have done better than that. He passed over Larry Elder, Roger Hedgecock, Hugh Hewitt and lots of others on talk radio to come up with a highly refined woman and well respected former presidential speech writer. Only one word for this guy - a-hole.
69 posted on 06/12/2003 3:07:37 PM PDT by CdMGuy
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To: ummark
I don't know the answer to your query, but even if it was posted here this is a quasi-public forum. In how many other forums and chat sites will people express some crazy things and rants? Anyone could cull through the DU site and extract specious ammunition like that.
The author says that no one talks rationally about issues anymore, especially the hate-filled partisans over there, and her argument appears to be "Yes, THEY are the real haters".
I do think she's partly right, that the civility of discussion is on the decline. But with taxes above 50% and a clear view of who the enemy is and a long history of making very little progress with these apologists of the State, and with all the great houses properly aligned, civility may require more patience and passivity than is the spirit of our times.
70 posted on 06/12/2003 3:27:23 PM PDT by kcar (T)
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To: ummark
Where is this "Happy Valley?"
71 posted on 06/12/2003 3:32:51 PM PDT by vikingcelt
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To: vikingcelt
The Happy Valley is the Connecticut River Valley north of Hadley and south of Deerfield, in Massachusetts. It is the home to several colleges,among them Amherst, Smith, Mt. Holyoke, Hampshire(Ken Burns), and my alma mater, the University of Massachusetts, where the former state senate president and brother of the serial killing rapist pedophile gangster Whitey Bulger, FBI Ten Most Wanted #2, currently sits as chief. Need I say more...
72 posted on 06/12/2003 4:38:15 PM PDT by ummark
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To: ummark

73 posted on 06/12/2003 4:55:04 PM PDT by Sister_T
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To: mvpel
I'm disappointed that I wasn't selected for publication! I started off the thread by saying Thomas Sowell was the greatest living American thinker. Maybe the author doesn't know who Thomas Sowell is, and so doesn't realize what a hate-filled statement that was?

74 posted on 06/12/2003 6:55:27 PM PDT by Tax-chick (God bless President Bush and President Reagan.)
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To: RAT Patrol
I am not sure I understand the other quote or the statement of the person he was responding to.

Well, it's not really worth dwelling on, but since I made the news and everything, what the heck.

I was responding to chachacha's remark that "Things like this prove that slavery was wrong for more reasons than one would expect. The fact that they are still here is one of them." - meaning slavery was wrong because it brought all those black people here. Rather mean-spirited, I thought, so I was responding in a "now, now" kind of way, and affirming the value of diversity by saying that was what made slavery RIGHT.

I then expanded in airy fashion on the immutability of past events. They are a "condition of our existence" - if we accept our existence as it is, and deem it good, we have to accept the events of the past as they happened. Note how this happens with wars. Think of Civil War reenactments. This is a recreational activity, and a positive thing. The Civil War is History, and History is a positive thing, no matter how horrible the Civil War was in actuality.

The whole idea is clear as mud ( I did call it paradoxical and weird ), but this was the nature of my musing. To have my very liberal-minded remark snatched up as an example of nastiness is certainly ironic, but it is not new to me by any means.

I would just further add, that my quote was actually edited. The short sentence "It WAS." expressing the immutability of the past, was deleted. It's hard to be charitable about the motive for doing so, short as it was ( ha ha ). I think it got in the way of his presumption that I was crudely expressing a belief that slavery should be reinstituted, and so - out with it.

75 posted on 06/12/2003 10:51:01 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: dr_lew
Thanks for explaining it. I confess I didn't understand it, but it seems to me that, being unclear, anyone honest who wanted to use it in a newspaper would first get an explanation from its author. The guy clearly wasn't looking for the truth.
76 posted on 06/13/2003 8:26:52 AM PDT by RAT Patrol (Congress can give one American a dollar only by first taking it away from another American. -W.W.)
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