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Big East may go to 16 teams no matter what
espn.com ^ | 6/17/03 | Andy Katz

Posted on 06/17/2003 6:04:33 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat

The ACC announced Tuesday that a vote for expansion might not occur until later this month, but regardless of the outcome the Big East is going to be proactive about its future and pursue a 16-team league, a source told ESPN.com.

At least one source close to the Big East said the conference wouldn't stand idle waiting to get raided again by the ACC or another league.

The source said the Big East cannot remain a fractured 14-team league in basketball and eight teams in football. The financial issues would still be divisive if the league remained as is even if Miami, Boston College and Syracuse return to the league. That's why the Big East has to protect itself. The basketball members of the league don't want to get left out by another wave of expansion.

If all three schools remained in the league, then the Big East could still add two schools that don't play football, such as Marquette out of Conference USA and Xavier out of the Atlantic 10. If only Miami leaves for the ACC, then the Big East would go after Louisville (Conference USA) for football and basketball to keep the Big East at eight football-playing members and then add schools such as Marquette and Xavier to get up to eight non-football schools.

The 16-team federation in the Big East would have cross-over games in basketball but probably would have a different revenue-sharing plan with the eight-school football group keeping its share of money.

The ACC is trying to gather support among its members to add Miami, Boston College and Syracuse to become a 12-team conference and have a football championship game.

The ACC needs seven "yes" votes from its membership of nine to add a school, and a vote in favor of Miami is expected to pass. Taking the Hurricanes would not crush the Big East, a charge that concerns ACC presidents in light of a lawsuit filed last week by Big East football schools Connecticut, Pittsburgh, Rutgers, West Virginia and Virginia Tech.

The ACC failed to reach a consensus on expansion in five hours of talks over two days last week.

The three Big East schools would have to pay a $1 million exit fee if they left for the ACC. The figure would double if they don't notify the Big East by June 30 and want to leave for the 2004-05 season. If they want to leave for the 2005-06 season, they have until June 30, 2004, to notify the conference and pay the $1 million fee.

Recent reports claiming the ACC would add only Miami in a first wave of expansion are not unfounded. The conference could easily expand to 10 without an uproar from its members. From a basketball standpoint, adding Miami and maintaining a true round-robin schedule of 18 conference games would be acceptable, Duke's Mike Krzyzewski told ESPN.com last month. And the addition of Miami in football would only enhance the ACC's product by giving it two national powers in the Hurricanes and rival Florida State.

The Big East likely would retain its spot in the Bowl Championship Series with eight football members, which would include Louisville as a replacement for Miami. In this scenario, Virginia Tech is the most prominent of the league's eight football teams. For basketball, a Miami-for-Louisville swap would actually make the Big East a better conference and even more attractive to television networks in the next negotiating period.

The ACC might petition the NCAA to hold a championship football game with 10 teams instead of the required 12, but this would be done not for competitive reasons but if a potential financial windfall presents itself. Splitting the league into two five-team divisions for football might not make as much sense. The ACC definitely would stay a 10-team conference in men's basketball in one linear division. Even if the ACC expanded to 12, basketball coaches would like to see a 12-team whole -- like the Big 12 -- and not two six-team divisions. Scheduling might mirror a football divisional schedule like the Big 12, but the standings would not show divisions.

If the ACC added only Miami for the 2004-05 season, then it could revisit expansion next year if it wanted to grow to 12. Sources told ESPN.com it would be more difficult for Miami to return to the Big East because of the lawsuit and criticism leveled by Big East presidents toward Miami president Donna Shalala. Boston College would be in a precarious position if it remained in the league that sued it, but the Eagles might not have a choice. Syracuse wasn't named in the lawsuit but was ready to accept an invitation to join the ACC out of what was termed a necessity to follow Miami.

Seven of the nine ACC schools must vote in favor of expansion for the plan to pass, but The Charlotte Observer reported Thursday that Duke, North Carolina and Virginia were opposed as late as last week's conference call. It was the hope of ACC commissioner John Swofford that formal invitations to Miami, BC and Syracuse would go out last Wednesday.

Sources have told ESPN.com the ACC is working extremely hard at swinging the vote of North Carolina. Swofford, the former athletic director at UNC, faces a much more difficult task in trying to persuade Duke to change its anti-expansion vote. The Blue Devils perennially are one of the worst football teams in Division I-A, and adding the likes of Miami, BC, and Syracuse would make competing in the ACC even more daunting for Duke.

The Tar Heels have been nationally ranked in the past and might be more receptive to expansion. However, North Carolina's faculty came out against expansion, in large part because it wasn't consulted. That's why university president James Moeser and athletic director Dick Baddour met with the faculty last week to discuss the expansion plan. If the university can persuade the faculty to go along with expansion, there could be hope for a "yes" vote.

Trying to sway Virginia to vote "yes" could be much more challenging. The Cavaliers are under extreme in-state political pressure because of the damage that could come to Virginia Tech from being left out. But a number of sources have said the Cavaliers would rather not have Virginia Tech in the same conference because of recruiting advantages (mainly in basketball) Virginia has over Tech as an ACC school.

The five remaining Big East football schools -- UConn, Pittsburgh, Rutgers, West Virginia and Virginia Tech -- filed a lawsuit to try to block expansion. The schools have accused the ACC, Boston College and Miami of taking part in a conspiracy to expand and ultimately to weaken the Big East. The lawsuit contends the five schools have invested millions of dollars in their football programs based on presumed loyalty from the other schools.

Andy Katz is a senior writer for ESPN.com. Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.


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1 posted on 06/17/2003 6:04:35 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: Diddle E. Squat
http://espn.go.com/ncaa/news/2003/0616/1569070.html

Self-imposed sanctions accepted by NCAA

AP

NEWARK, N.J. -- The NCAA accepted Rutgers' self-imposed penalties of two years' probation and the loss of 20 total scholarships in 10 sports for violating eligibility and financial aid rules.

The school was publicly reprimanded by the NCAA Division I Committee on Infractions, in a ruling announced Tuesday. The committee also commended the university for "detecting and vigorously pursuing the violations."

It is the first time that Rutgers, a member of the Big East, has been on probation.

The university must provide annual reports to the NCAA on compliance with academic requirements for athletic eligibility and details of its audits of student-athlete records.

Many of the violations involved tardy paperwork, as opposed to students who were ineligible, and no coaches were involved, said Thomas Yeager, chair of the committee and commissioner of the Colonial Athletic Conference.

"It was a flawed process that had people involved who were not fully up to speed when it came to administering the complexities," Yeager said in a teleconference. "There really was a systematic breakdown that really ran to competence, rather than maliciousness."

The probation period began April 1, 2002, the date Rutgers reported the results of its investigation to the NCAA.

Rutgers president Richard L. McCormick and athletic director Robert E. Mulcahy III scheduled news conference for later Tuesday.

The violations involved at least 40 athletes in 15 sports starting in the 1997-98 school year and continuing through 2000-01, the NCAA said.

The origin, however, dated back 20 years, when Rutgers "implemented a plan for certification that failed in theory and practice to create adequate procedural guidelines for the individuals charged with certifying student-athlete eligibility," the NCAA said.

Under NCAA rules, every member school must certify that its student-athletes meet academic requirements upon admission and throughout their athletic career to remain eligible to compete.

Under the sanctions imposed by Rutgers and accepted by the NCAA, football, men's lacrosse and men's soccer will each lose four scholarships over the next two school years.

Men's golf will lose two scholarships, while men's basketball, baseball, field hockey, men's track, softball and women's tennis will lose one over that period.

Rutgers has made scholarship reductions in compliance with its penalty, beginning with one in men's soccer in the 2001-02 school year, Rutgers sports spokesman John Wooding said. That was followed by two in football, two in men's lacrosse and another in men's soccer in 2002-03.

Most of the 14 remaining reductions are to occur in the 2003-04 season, with some in the next year, Wooding said.
2 posted on 06/17/2003 6:06:08 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: Diddle E. Squat
The Big East tourney will take as long to finish as the Big Dance.
3 posted on 06/17/2003 6:08:38 PM PDT by hole_n_one
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To: Diddle E. Squat
The ACC is run by the biggest bunch of twits.

If you're gonna raid the friggin Big East...how do you not take Miami & Virginia Tech?

Boston College? Syracuse? You gotta be kidding me! Oi Vey...they really screwed this one up.
4 posted on 06/17/2003 6:08:50 PM PDT by VaBthang4 (Could someone show me one [1] Loserdopian elected to the federal government?)
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To: Diddle E. Squat
keyword fun bump!
5 posted on 06/17/2003 6:11:56 PM PDT by hole_n_one
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To: VaBthang4
I hear Virginia didn't want them(recruiting advantage).

Or maybe V. Tech was afraid of playing a schedule that excluded perennial home games against Vassar, Wellesley, and the school for blind orphans.
6 posted on 06/17/2003 6:14:27 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: VaBthang4
Exactly.

And almost to a person, nobody I know will buy season tickets anymore; who wants to buy tickets when you may not get the home-away games of every team!

We sure won't be buying.
7 posted on 06/17/2003 6:14:28 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: VaBthang4; Diddle E. Squat

Tuesday, June 17, 2003 7:35PM EDT

ACC says vote on expansion not likely until late June

By DAVID DROSCHAK, ASSOCIATED PRESS

RALEIGH, N.C. (AP) - The Atlantic Coast Conference said Tuesday it might not vote until later this month on whether to add Miami, Syracuse and Boston College to the league.

The ACC's statement was issued on the eve of a teleconference among the school's top leaders and league commissioner John Swofford, who insisted last week there was no timetable for the vote.

The three Big East schools each have to pay a $1 million exit fee if they bolt to the ACC, and the penalty doubles after June 30.

"The ACC is engaged in a thorough, member-driven, strategic planning process designed to ensure the long-term viability of the conference," Ron Wellman, Wake Forest's athletic director and chair of the ACC athletic directors, said in the statement.

The ACC's nine presidents and chancellors spoke by teleconference last week but reached no consensus on whether to expand the nine-team league. An expansion would require approval by seven of them.

"It was never imperative that a decision had to be made today, tomorrow or the next day. As much time as is needed will be taken," Kevin Morrow, a Syracuse spokesman, said Tuesday.

Officials from the other two Big East schools did not return calls seeking comment.

Duke and North Carolina have voiced concern about travel costs, student welfare and projected football revenues of an ACC title game and future TV contracts. Virginia also has had to weigh political pressure from a state legislature that wants Virginia Tech included in the expansion mix.

The five remaining Big East football schools - Connecticut, Pittsburgh, Rutgers, West Virginia and Virginia Tech - have sued to try to stop the expansion.

The ACC has expanded just twice in 50 years. Florida State was added in 1991 and Georgia Tech in '78.

8 posted on 06/17/2003 6:17:32 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin
Why? If I were the ACC, these are the three I'd take. Which brings in more viewers and money, the Boston/Providence tv market, or Roanoke's? Buffalo/Rochester/Syracuse/Albany/New York City's, or Roanoke's? Miami/W. Palm/Orlando/Jacksonville's, or Roanoke's?

V. Tech loses on all 3 comparisons, same for other sports except football. Now at least the ACC can claim they are at the same level as the Big 12, SEC, and Pac 10, without getting laughed at. I think it is good for both the ACC and college football, especially if the NCAA would get some guts and yank the Big East's auto BCS bid and make it another wildcard(of course the whole lack of a playoff is a crime against humanity, but I digress...)
9 posted on 06/17/2003 6:22:31 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: VaBthang4
If you're gonna raid the friggin Big East

How is a raid when it's Miami that asks the ACC first if they are interested? This all started w/ Miami and FSU wanting to be in the the same conference, and that conference not the Big East They've (UM & FSU) have been working on this project at least 2 years.

The SEC wants them if the ACC doesn't.

Whatever happens, the Big East is not in Miami's future plans. The nitwits in the ACC are the Tarholes and Puke, and that weak sister Casteen of UVa who's letting the Democrat Gov. MarkyMark Wormer and the RINO Senators Warner and Allen and state AG Guv. Wannabe Kilgore push him around.

7:00 AM tommorrow ACC conf call meeting, let's all hope and pray they have the neccessary 7 votes together this time.

10 posted on 06/17/2003 6:24:32 PM PDT by putupon (Do not FRemove this Tag Under Penalty of Law)
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To: Diddle E. Squat; Howlin
Yeah UVA worked it a bit thinking they were gonna get over. But the instate backlash was no joke. It got so bad that the friggin Governor had to get involved.
They need to fish with Tech or cut bait cause alot of people were/are pissed. VaTech is Huge in Virginia [cause they're better than the wine and cheese eating losers up at UVA].

Going after Boston stinking college instead of VaTech just didnt pass the uppity redneck smell test and threatened the economic base in Southside Va. The excuse was...Boston TV market, but a little digging blew that out of the water. Tech is a seriously big draw and everyone knew it was only gonna get better until this stupidity took flight.

Now UVA is looking bad. That's kinda cool though cause it adds to the instate rivalry.

11 posted on 06/17/2003 6:25:55 PM PDT by VaBthang4 (Could someone show me one [1] Loserdopian elected to the federal government?)
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To: Diddle E. Squat
Now at least the ACC can claim they are at the same level as the Big 12, SEC, and Pac 10, without getting laughed at.....

It'll be awhile before I pick myself up off the floor.

12 posted on 06/17/2003 6:26:54 PM PDT by hole_n_one
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To: putupon
I dont pray for that at all....either Tech goes with'em or only Miami goes.

Watch and see.
13 posted on 06/17/2003 6:27:23 PM PDT by VaBthang4 (Could someone show me one [1] Loserdopian elected to the federal government?)
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To: Howlin
nobody I know will buy season tickets anymore

nobody cares who's in the stands, it's the people watching it on TV that bring in the real money.

ACC dozen, that's what the big money's talking about.

14 posted on 06/17/2003 6:27:30 PM PDT by putupon (Do not FRemove this Tag Under Penalty of Law)
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To: VaBthang4
....either Tech goes with'em or only Miami goes

Tech's a long reach, they have to flip five votes. They got GT and UVa and no maybes last count I heard.

15 posted on 06/17/2003 6:29:48 PM PDT by putupon (Do not FRemove this Tag Under Penalty of Law)
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To: putupon
Brother are you sure you're on the right thread?

If you're implying that season tickets and luxery boxes arent important considerations then there's really no sense in continuing the discussion. :o)
16 posted on 06/17/2003 6:31:09 PM PDT by VaBthang4 (Could someone show me one [1] Loserdopian elected to the federal government?)
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To: putupon
Then it'll only be Miami.
17 posted on 06/17/2003 6:31:42 PM PDT by VaBthang4 (Could someone show me one [1] Loserdopian elected to the federal government?)
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To: hole_n_one
Miami and FSU almost always a top 10 contender, NC State on the rise and pre-season top 10, NC and Clemson are likely on the way back, VA a pre-season top 10 in some polls, with a good coach, Syracuse comes and goes, but usually has a shot at the top 10 at least once every 3 or so years(huge recruiting base), G. Tech has a nat'l championship(completely bogus that they had to share it with a 2 loss one tie 5th down Colorado fraud). No, the ACC still isn't in the top 3, but they aren't that far behind, on par with the Big Can't Count Conference. C'mon, at least now the ACC champ will have earned a spot in the BCS, unlike previous years where it sometimes was a cakewalk.
18 posted on 06/17/2003 6:33:52 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: VaBthang4
That's kinda cool though cause it adds to the instate rivalry.

I'm looking forward to seeing if Marky Mark shows up to hand out the trophy this year in C'ville.

And UVa went way out on a limb for Vippy Sue before Wormy was involved, and look what it got them. a cheap lawsuit. That's a real bunch of sorry ingrates in Blacksburg.

19 posted on 06/17/2003 6:35:46 PM PDT by putupon (Do not FRemove this Tag Under Penalty of Law)
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To: putupon
And a much better national TV contract for the conference. They'll now have the entire east coast, good for an audience of around 100 million viewers, easily the biggest TV market of all the major conferences. Adding those 3 schools brings in at least 40 million potential viewers(NYC/Upstate NY/New England/Miami).
20 posted on 06/17/2003 6:39:45 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: putupon
I dont think you are competent enough to discuss this.

Had the Plan the ACC had gone down then VaTech would've been left without a chair. Now the possibility of going to the SEC was there but not guaranteed.

No...Tech did what it had to do. Most percieved UVA's move as that of a washed up old lady angling out a better looking honey so she didnt have a ticket for the dance.
It's not tech's fault that they are dedicated to winning and have put in the work. UVA goofed off for a couple of years and are just now coming out of it...not insisting on VaTech inclusion was seen as a backdoor to defeating Tech off the field...cause they sure as heck arent gonna be doing it on the field anytime soon.

Eitherway...things dont look good for the initial ACC plan.

21 posted on 06/17/2003 6:41:45 PM PDT by VaBthang4 (Could someone show me one [1] Loserdopian elected to the federal government?)
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To: Diddle E. Squat
Related ACC integrity:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/930824/posts?page=1
22 posted on 06/17/2003 6:42:21 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: Diddle E. Squat

Yeah, that is what the goal was.
23 posted on 06/17/2003 6:43:19 PM PDT by VaBthang4 (Could someone show me one [1] Loserdopian elected to the federal government?)
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To: VaBthang4
If you're implying that season tickets and luxery boxes arent important considerations

They are important to the die hards and alums. It's the TV that really counts. Mighty Miami only averages 4000 ticket sales per game, I heard somewhere, but the TV market is hugh because they recruit primarily in the NE.

24 posted on 06/17/2003 6:43:40 PM PDT by putupon (Do not FRemove this Tag Under Penalty of Law)
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To: VaBthang4
did you see my post here?
25 posted on 06/17/2003 6:49:41 PM PDT by putupon (Do not FRemove this Tag Under Penalty of Law)
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To: VaBthang4
Ol' Dem Warner may have missed his opportunity. He should have gotten on the phone with Gray Davis(before his kingdom collapsed) and had Grayout blackmail the Pac10 schools into expanding to 12, adding BYU(getting Hatch off the NCAA's back) and Colorado(who has always eyed that conference). Then the SEC could kick out stepchild Arkansas and pay the Big 12 to take them in(to cover the No Child Left Behind costs of raising the Razorbacks to the Big 12's much higher academic standards), and add V. Tech. With V. Tech history of ethical issues and weak non-conference schedules, they'd be a perfect fit for the SEC.
26 posted on 06/17/2003 6:49:55 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: VaBthang4
Seriously, has there been any talk of V. Tech going to the SEC? Moving from 12 to 14 teams would be a huge headache, and who would the 14th team be?

Say Notre Dame and I'll report you to the mods...
27 posted on 06/17/2003 6:52:01 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: putupon
The SEC wants them if the ACC doesn't.

Them? Do not think so.

Though kicking Vandy out of the SEC and bringing the Hokies in is a possible. I believe that Blackburg is further south than Lexington

28 posted on 06/17/2003 6:54:00 PM PDT by don-o
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To: Diddle E. Squat
Big 12's much higher academic standards

That's a good joke you made.

29 posted on 06/17/2003 6:58:53 PM PDT by razorback-bert (White Devils for Al-Sharpton 2004... Texas Chapter)
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To: Diddle E. Squat
Seriously, has there been any talk of V. Tech going to the SEC?

Should be.

Kick Vandy out and VT drops nicely into the Eastern Division.

30 posted on 06/17/2003 6:59:05 PM PDT by don-o
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To: razorback-bert
Its no joke. The differences in academic standards(regarding athletes) between the SEC, Big 12, and Pac 10 was a huge issue when Texas and A&M were being wooed at the breakup of the Southwest conference.
31 posted on 06/17/2003 7:05:53 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: VaBthang4
Hey, if it makes ya'll feel better, we're about to eliminate Miami from the College World Series. 5-1 in the 6th, including a bases loaded walk.
32 posted on 06/17/2003 7:09:36 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: Diddle E. Squat
Initially after the news hit...Tech fans were scrambling for an out. Tech has strong National Championship aspirations...the Big East losing it's BCS bid would've been a major blow...so Tech was floating ideas.

The SEC was one.
33 posted on 06/17/2003 7:12:20 PM PDT by VaBthang4 (Could someone show me one [1] Loserdopian elected to the federal government?)
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To: VaBthang4
But the Big East isn't going to lose its BCS bid, at least not for awhile. Original BCS agreement assures that for another 4 years.
34 posted on 06/17/2003 7:14:11 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: Diddle E. Squat
We don't CARE about the money, at least the fans don't; we were big basketball before basketball was big.

And I don't want the damn Big East in my conference.
35 posted on 06/17/2003 7:14:20 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin
As a Southwest Conference fan(RIP), I hear where you are coming from.

But then as a U. of Houston Phi Slamma Jamma fan, all of a sudden my repressed bitter memories of a Wolfpack upset suddenly return. I better stop typing now, lest I say something I'll later regret!
36 posted on 06/17/2003 7:20:47 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: Diddle E. Squat
Right...and they wouldnt have gotten a re-up. And without Miami there, running the tables and going 11-0 just isnt the same...insuring that for the next four years...Tech wouldnt be balling for the Championship.
37 posted on 06/17/2003 7:36:24 PM PDT by VaBthang4 (Could someone show me one [1] Loserdopian elected to the federal government?)
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To: VaBthang4
Which is why nonconference matters...
38 posted on 06/17/2003 7:38:24 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: Diddle E. Squat

39 posted on 06/17/2003 7:39:07 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin
May you lose your seats to Donna Shalala and Janet Reno when Miami is in town...
40 posted on 06/17/2003 7:51:00 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: Diddle E. Squat
Why hasn't anyone asked the truly important question yet: What does this mean for the MAC?
41 posted on 06/17/2003 9:28:48 PM PDT by Dont Mention the War
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To: Howlin
We don't CARE about the money, at least the fans don't; we were big basketball before basketball was big.

Puke and the Tarholes are holding back because they are scared of flying and playing Syracuse.

42 posted on 06/18/2003 5:57:56 AM PDT by putupon (Do not FRemove this Tag Under Penalty of Law)
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To: putupon
"Puke and the Tarholes are holding back because they are scared of flying and playing Syracuse."

I don't think that's the main reason, but I do think there's something to that idea. At least as far as UNC is concenrned. They're desperately trying to recapture their glory days in basketball after a few years of mediocrity. Bringing Syracuse into the mix is just one more huge hurdle they'd have to overcome to get back on top of the ACC. Plus Jim Boeheim has already shown that he can out-coach Roy Williams. Finally, I can't imagine any team would really look forward to flying that far to play in a place as big, crazy and inhospitable to visitors as the Carrier Dome. (Check out the Orangemen's home record this past season.)
43 posted on 06/18/2003 12:48:04 PM PDT by Media Insurgent
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To: VaBthang4; All
I regret to report that my comments earlier about VPI's chances at getting in the ACC and the amount of their earlier support and have possibly been invalidated. This guy is a credible poster with good sources.
44 posted on 06/18/2003 1:16:43 PM PDT by putupon (Sic Semper Tyrannis, especially double dealing two faced Virginia RINOs)
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http://espn.go.com/ncaa/news/2003/0618/1570063.html

Decision still not expected until end of month



ESPN.com news services

RALEIGH, N.C. -- Atlantic Coast Conference leaders met for three hours Wednesday about whether to add Miami, Syracuse and Boston College to the league but gave no timetable for another discussion.

The ACC presidents and chancellors, who have the final say on expansion, have met for eight hours in three separate teleconferences without coming to a consensus on adding the three Big East schools.

ACC spokesman Brian Morrison said league commissioner John Swofford had no comment on the issues discussed in the meeting or when another teleconference would be scheduled.

"This has been a longer process than I thought it would take,'' North Carolina State athletic director Lee Fowler said later Wednesday. "There have been things that have popped up that I thought had been resolved earlier.''

Duke and North Carolina have had questions about travel costs, student welfare and projected revenues of an ACC football title game and future TV contracts.

And Virginia is weighing political pressure from state lawmakers who want Virginia Tech included in the expansion mix.

Seven of the nine presidents and chancellors must vote in favor of expansion.

The ACC voted May 16 to pursue Miami, Syracuse and Boston College and site visits were completed in early June. However, the ACC announced Tuesday that a final vote may not come until the end of the month.

Meanwhile, no matter what happens, the Big East is going to be proactive about its future and pursue a 16-team league, a source told ESPN.com on Tuesday.

The three Big East schools would have to pay a $1 million exit fee. The penalty doubles after June 30 if the schools leave for the 2004-05 season.

"Everybody is ready for this to be over,'' said Fowler, who was on two of the three site visits. "It gets frustrating, but nobody is going to do anything until they get all the facts and feel comfortable with them.

"I assumed if we made these visits and things were good at these universities that it would just move along,'' he added. "But I still knew we had more work to do.''

That includes divisional alignment, an item in which more than 35 options have been discussed, Fowler said.

"None of this has surprised me because I've been through it in other leagues,'' said Fowler, who acknowledged getting nine schools on the same page is often difficult. "Even with great things, there are differences of opinions.''

Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.

45 posted on 06/18/2003 5:02:52 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: Diddle E. Squat
Duke and North Carolina have had questions about travel costs, student welfare

????

46 posted on 06/18/2003 5:07:17 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: Diddle E. Squat; All
"This has been a longer process than I thought it would take,'' North Carolina State athletic director Lee Fowler said later Wednesday. "There have been things that have popped up that I thought had been resolved earlier."

He's talking in part about the push to get VaTech included....apparently tech now has five votes and FSU and NC State are being solicited to get on board.

Imagine a conference with Florida State's The University of Miami's and Virginia Tech's Football teams.

Kneel before Zod! :o)

47 posted on 06/18/2003 9:07:21 PM PDT by VaBthang4 (Could someone show me one [1] Loserdopian elected to the federal government?)
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and Virginia Tech's Football teams

But VaTech said it was a terrible thing to do to abandon the Big East and leave friends behind when they joined the plaintiffs on the lawsuit, after they were voted out the first time.

Now they wouldn't be so hypocritical to accept the new offer would they, and leave Pitt, WVa and the rest of the unwanted Big East out there all alone, would they? I thought they were feeling all that love, loyalty, and brotherhood.

And what about the lawsuit? Aren't the Hypokies and Jerri "Jackboots" Kilgore now suing themselves if they do accept?

Forced in a conference that didn't want them by corrupt government thugs, ViPI SUE must be very proud. Another leftist "diversity" attack legislated by lawyers against US universities.

Appropriatly enough, UVa President (ex-UCONN Pres.), VPI implant, co-conspirator, and enabler Mullah John Casteen left Charlottesville last night under cover of darkness for exile in France.

48 posted on 06/19/2003 2:59:51 AM PDT by putupon (Sic Semper Tyrannis, especially double dealing two faced Virginia RINOs)
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